I agree. I think we're going at this from the wrong angle. It's not about finding connections anymore.
In my opinion we need to look at who is likely trafficking kids right now and how to catch them red handed. I think it's safe to say the people at the top are still doing this but they likely dumped some of the weak links that we found info on. We likely aren't going to get to actual proof doing the same things we've been doing.
First of all, I think we need to stop simply looking for connections. All that is circumstantial, and we have way too many connections to investigate them thoroughly as it is. We need to start looking for proof. Now, as for where to start, I'd say look where the establishment is getting most defensive, or where they're going out of their way to distort the truth or cover up the story. The media is complicit in this, and I'd say our best bet to find something interesting is where they're trying hardest to keep the real information from reaching the public. Also, I think we need to be looking hardest for who is doing this now, instead of who was helping in 2008. I think it's safe to say the people highest up have cut ties with a lot of the loosest ends. As for specifics, I won't give them, as this is a perfect lead in to my next point.
Stop posting every single lead on the internet. That only lets them see it, and cover up appropriately. Share leads with trusted people, but don't let everyone see them. Only post actual proof, or things that cannot be covered up.
We need to condense the leads we have into the best couple. There is too much stuff to investigate it all. We need to focus on the stuff that's actionable.
I also think we need to entertain the idea that CTR was not mainly a vehicle for the Clinton campaign,and that spreading disinfo about this stuff was actually the main goal all along. This whole thing starts to make more sense through that lens.
Ditto... what do you think is the most effective approach? Keeping in mind they bump you off if they get the chance... you don't want to endanger your own kids.
I don't know. But I will say I think posting every lead anyone gets for anyone to see on the internet is a mistake. There's a reason the cops don't tell everyone what they found or what they're investigating. These people won't just leave stuff around if we telegraph that we're looking into it.
It's time for some people to get off the internet and start investigating in real life too.
I'm not advocating for breaking laws, just going places and observing, and asking questions in person.
There are ways to communicate privately with each other relatively easily, the problem I've found is it's hard to grow a network of people that you can talk about this stuff with safely and securely. You almost have to know the people in real life first.
If I was rich I'd hire a private investigator. Being in Canada I feel pretty powerless.
Yeah, it's nearly impossible to have a way to communicate with each other that isn't vulnerable. Post history helps to determine motivations but isn't foolproof
Yeah, it's nearly impossible to have a way to communicate with each other that isn't vulnerable. Post history helps to determine motivations but isn't foolproof
Exactly. There could be shills blending in pretty well in addition to the obvious ones. It's hard to tell how fat they'll go to blend in.
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NotAnIdiot ago
I agree. I think we're going at this from the wrong angle. It's not about finding connections anymore.
In my opinion we need to look at who is likely trafficking kids right now and how to catch them red handed. I think it's safe to say the people at the top are still doing this but they likely dumped some of the weak links that we found info on. We likely aren't going to get to actual proof doing the same things we've been doing.
happyme73db ago
True but it is so risky most cannot get close enough..... we must think outside the box now....
happyme73db ago
We have a lot of connections now, I think we are certain they are a pedo ring and are being protected so now what? Any new ideas?
NotAnIdiot ago
First of all, I think we need to stop simply looking for connections. All that is circumstantial, and we have way too many connections to investigate them thoroughly as it is. We need to start looking for proof. Now, as for where to start, I'd say look where the establishment is getting most defensive, or where they're going out of their way to distort the truth or cover up the story. The media is complicit in this, and I'd say our best bet to find something interesting is where they're trying hardest to keep the real information from reaching the public. Also, I think we need to be looking hardest for who is doing this now, instead of who was helping in 2008. I think it's safe to say the people highest up have cut ties with a lot of the loosest ends. As for specifics, I won't give them, as this is a perfect lead in to my next point.
Stop posting every single lead on the internet. That only lets them see it, and cover up appropriately. Share leads with trusted people, but don't let everyone see them. Only post actual proof, or things that cannot be covered up.
happyme73db ago
Yes time for ideas on how to take them down... we need something new this time...
NotAnIdiot ago
We need to condense the leads we have into the best couple. There is too much stuff to investigate it all. We need to focus on the stuff that's actionable.
I also think we need to entertain the idea that CTR was not mainly a vehicle for the Clinton campaign,and that spreading disinfo about this stuff was actually the main goal all along. This whole thing starts to make more sense through that lens.
happyme73db ago
Ditto... what do you think is the most effective approach? Keeping in mind they bump you off if they get the chance... you don't want to endanger your own kids.
NotAnIdiot ago
I don't know. But I will say I think posting every lead anyone gets for anyone to see on the internet is a mistake. There's a reason the cops don't tell everyone what they found or what they're investigating. These people won't just leave stuff around if we telegraph that we're looking into it.
happyme73db ago
True just more ammo for the fake news shills if we over do things.... we have to work on a solution now...
notoriousfox ago
It would be nice if we had an easy way to communicate privately with each other. I agree it's time to do more than talk about connections
NotAnIdiot ago
It's time for some people to get off the internet and start investigating in real life too.
I'm not advocating for breaking laws, just going places and observing, and asking questions in person.
There are ways to communicate privately with each other relatively easily, the problem I've found is it's hard to grow a network of people that you can talk about this stuff with safely and securely. You almost have to know the people in real life first.
notoriousfox ago
If I was rich I'd hire a private investigator. Being in Canada I feel pretty powerless.
Yeah, it's nearly impossible to have a way to communicate with each other that isn't vulnerable. Post history helps to determine motivations but isn't foolproof
NotAnIdiot ago
Me too. Sigh.
I'm in the US, but not near any of this.
Exactly. There could be shills blending in pretty well in addition to the obvious ones. It's hard to tell how fat they'll go to blend in.
pinklb_q ago
If you're really looking into getting your hands dirty you're going to have to (risk your kids) or (not get your hands dirty). just in my opinion
happyme73db ago
You are right but maybe there is another way....now that we have the internet and anonymity.... it is a new world with new weapons....