BTW - Here is some off-topic truths about vaccines...
FACT:
The "antivaxxers" are very few and far between. Very, very few people think ALL vaccines in existence should be mandated for everyone, all the time. And very few people think no one should be vaccinated. Most people believe that for most of the dangerous, communicable diseases (polio, measles) everyone should be vaccinated. But more and more people are unwilling to follow the CDC's vaccination schedule, all the time, and there are several vaccines that are unnecessary and probably shouldn't be mandated for everyone. Sorry - that's not the overly dramatic scare-tactic version Big Pharma and .gov are desperately trying to permeate through mass media, but that's the truth.
FACT:
If you've been paying any attention to the concerns regarding the MMR vaccine, you'd know that the CDC whistleblower shared classified documentation of the underlying data the CDC covered up that clearly showed increased risk the earlier the MMR vaccine was administered. The data literally showed that black boy infants had 236% increased risk to develop autism w/ MMR if they received the MMR "according to the CDC schedule" which is under 36 months). The biggest risk was "isolation" cases, or children with no prior or comorbid issues in the first year of life. This includes EVERY HEALTHY CHILD and the data showed 700-800% elevated risk for some of these kids and this likely accounts for the insane increase in rates over the past decade or so.
FACT:
Some kids are getting over 70 vaccines. One of the vaccines given to INFANTS is Hepatitis B! How in the world was any responsible and intelligent adult (much less the government, medical and scientific industry and parents) convinced that infants need vaccination against a relatively uncommon disease typically acquired through risky sexual activity or needle sharing? And there are over 217 more vaccines currently in production.
FACT:
Vaccines are not classified as "pharmaceutical drugs" and therefore, are NOT vigorously and thoroughly tested and vetted by the FDA like ALL other drugs (double-blind, placebo-based, long-term controlled trails, etc.) And they certainly aren't tested in combination with other vaccines. If they were tested like other drugs, they wouldn't make it to market. SHOCKING, since they are mandatory. This allows Big Pharma to fast-track the production.
FACT:
As a result of Big Pharma lobbying, Reagan passed 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act which shielded mfrs for liability in injury/death caused by their vaccines, which the Fed. government admits are unavoidably unsafe
- subsequently, .gov created the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) whereby parents are forced to petition the Dept. of HHS
- if Fed officials oppose compensation, cases are argued by a "special master" before a "vaccine court" as part of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims
- Pharmaceutical companies do not have to participate in proceedings
- Dept. of Justice acts as the government's lawyer, HHS lawyers are paid for by tax dollars
- Tax payers pay for all damages awarded - money comes from a $.75 tax added to all vaccines, paid by parents of harmed and unharmed children
- To date, the court has paid out $3-5 billion (I don't have current numbers)
FACT:
By 2002, there were thousands of cases accumulating in "vaccine court" with avg. compensation of $5M (assoc. with costs of raising an autistic child), creating a potential liability of hundreds of billions, perhaps trillions in damages to be awarded by the Fed .gov as the autism rates continued to escalate (the "fund" paid for by tax dollars was $5B and since 1986 $3B has already been paid out). So they had to develop studies that could exonerate the MMR vaccine to help disprove causal relationships w/ the vaccines.
FACT:
The MMR study was part of this, according to Thompson's whistleblower lawyer,
"...as part of fraudulent studies that would exonerate MMR vaccine used to deliberately avoid paying out. Thousands of petitioners were denied their fair day in court by a corrupt and deliberate obstruction of justice--is one of the most unethical medical decisions of all time because it was made with knowledge to sacrifice these children as a direct affront to the Congressional mandate that they all be compensated."
In 2014, the CDC whistleblower came public with the CDC's fraud. You would have expected this to be a huge story and picked up by most news outlets; WRONG. Most news outlets are funded by Big Pharma (when's the last time you watched prime time TV without seeing a pharmaceutical commercial?) The breaking news about the CDC's fraudulent study and potential damage to America's kids got no coverage. Instead, coverage of the 644 cases measles during the outbreak due to the antivaxx movement--was instead urgent and breaking news all over the country. 644 measles cases compared to 1,082,353 cases of autism in 2014.
Pizzagate, now home to actual conspiracies. There are not legitimate reproducible studies that link autism and vaccines. The rates of autism are not reported on because it is status quo. A sudden outbreak of a disease that would have been eradicated by now if not for people wearing tinfoil hats is news. Furthermore, autism is a very wide spectrum with many manifestations and causes. It wouldn't be fair to talk about all cases of autism even if there was a link vaccines.
You're free to have your opinion, but this is not the place for it.
First, if you even bothered to read the OP's article, it was about vaccines and my post was about vaccines, not all forms of autism. Although I have two autistic family members - so I'm happy to debate you on autism facts, as well.
Secondly, you need to do your own research (I doubt that you even read my post and if you did, debunk it - fact by fact). PROVE that the "legitimate, reproducible studies" do NOT link autism and vaccines. MSM claimed that it's been proven so you seem to be content to be told what to think but I've actually done my homework.
A CDC whistle-blower debunked THE main study used to claim no link - in 2014 he exposed the truth behind the CDC's autism link coverup. Of course, no one in the MSM covered it. Look into it.
For reasons that have nothing to do with vaccines I've done quite a bit of investigation into other studies that have been "engineered" by the CDC, NIC, and articles and other publications. Here's a quote from the former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine:
https://ethicalnag.org/2009/11/09/nejm-editor/
I read OPs post. You literally said your post was diverting the topic. I read your post. I'm not going to refute your "facts." You provided zero evidence in your post, and I'm not going to waste my time refuting your claims - you made the positive claim, you get to prove it.
Friend, you seem to have forgotten your own claims that there is no proof of link, so you also get to also prove your claims. If you aren't too lazy to actually do that, you'll simply cite a bunch of studies that the MSM have been slinging around - doubt you'll get much credit for that around these parts.
Once we get past the PG urgency, I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have and share my proof. Unfortunately, the vaccine community on voat was abandoned a few yrs ago.
Chances are, you don't really have any questions, haven't really looked into the vaccine and CDC corruption, you've likely never read an actual study that's been done on anything associated with it, and are just parroting what you've been told to believe. I'm not sure you belong here.
You're right. I should have said that as yet no one making the claims that there is a link has provided evidence for that; i.e., I have been exposed to no proof.
What kind of fucked up english is that? I have idea what you're trying to say.
The more I think about this, the more this needs to be said - my last post to you:
You are a prime example of the kind of ignorance that the PG voat community is fighting - trying to dispell the MSM bullshit. You're providing the perfect example of how the public just blindly, ignorantly, and lazily lets the MSM bullshit infiltrate their brains and rob them of all rational thought, natural curiosity and critical analysis. You're clearly not a scientist, nor anyone close to autism. You don't even attempt to qualify your arrogant declarations with any query about what might be harming those kids and fooling those parents, if not vaccines. Yet you reply to a conversation without any respect for information you don't have or bother to ask ANY questions.
This is EXACTLY what PG is fighting here. Again, this isn't the place for your mindless blathering. There are tons of other social media outlets for that noise.
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hedy ago
TY! Adding it to my CPS corruption file.
BTW - Here is some off-topic truths about vaccines...
FACT: The "antivaxxers" are very few and far between. Very, very few people think ALL vaccines in existence should be mandated for everyone, all the time. And very few people think no one should be vaccinated. Most people believe that for most of the dangerous, communicable diseases (polio, measles) everyone should be vaccinated. But more and more people are unwilling to follow the CDC's vaccination schedule, all the time, and there are several vaccines that are unnecessary and probably shouldn't be mandated for everyone. Sorry - that's not the overly dramatic scare-tactic version Big Pharma and .gov are desperately trying to permeate through mass media, but that's the truth.
FACT: If you've been paying any attention to the concerns regarding the MMR vaccine, you'd know that the CDC whistleblower shared classified documentation of the underlying data the CDC covered up that clearly showed increased risk the earlier the MMR vaccine was administered. The data literally showed that black boy infants had 236% increased risk to develop autism w/ MMR if they received the MMR "according to the CDC schedule" which is under 36 months). The biggest risk was "isolation" cases, or children with no prior or comorbid issues in the first year of life. This includes EVERY HEALTHY CHILD and the data showed 700-800% elevated risk for some of these kids and this likely accounts for the insane increase in rates over the past decade or so.
FACT: Some kids are getting over 70 vaccines. One of the vaccines given to INFANTS is Hepatitis B! How in the world was any responsible and intelligent adult (much less the government, medical and scientific industry and parents) convinced that infants need vaccination against a relatively uncommon disease typically acquired through risky sexual activity or needle sharing? And there are over 217 more vaccines currently in production.
FACT: Vaccines are not classified as "pharmaceutical drugs" and therefore, are NOT vigorously and thoroughly tested and vetted by the FDA like ALL other drugs (double-blind, placebo-based, long-term controlled trails, etc.) And they certainly aren't tested in combination with other vaccines. If they were tested like other drugs, they wouldn't make it to market. SHOCKING, since they are mandatory. This allows Big Pharma to fast-track the production.
FACT: As a result of Big Pharma lobbying, Reagan passed 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act which shielded mfrs for liability in injury/death caused by their vaccines, which the Fed. government admits are unavoidably unsafe - subsequently, .gov created the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) whereby parents are forced to petition the Dept. of HHS - if Fed officials oppose compensation, cases are argued by a "special master" before a "vaccine court" as part of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims - Pharmaceutical companies do not have to participate in proceedings - Dept. of Justice acts as the government's lawyer, HHS lawyers are paid for by tax dollars - Tax payers pay for all damages awarded - money comes from a $.75 tax added to all vaccines, paid by parents of harmed and unharmed children - To date, the court has paid out $3-5 billion (I don't have current numbers)
FACT: By 2002, there were thousands of cases accumulating in "vaccine court" with avg. compensation of $5M (assoc. with costs of raising an autistic child), creating a potential liability of hundreds of billions, perhaps trillions in damages to be awarded by the Fed .gov as the autism rates continued to escalate (the "fund" paid for by tax dollars was $5B and since 1986 $3B has already been paid out). So they had to develop studies that could exonerate the MMR vaccine to help disprove causal relationships w/ the vaccines.
FACT: The MMR study was part of this, according to Thompson's whistleblower lawyer, "...as part of fraudulent studies that would exonerate MMR vaccine used to deliberately avoid paying out. Thousands of petitioners were denied their fair day in court by a corrupt and deliberate obstruction of justice--is one of the most unethical medical decisions of all time because it was made with knowledge to sacrifice these children as a direct affront to the Congressional mandate that they all be compensated."
In 2014, the CDC whistleblower came public with the CDC's fraud. You would have expected this to be a huge story and picked up by most news outlets; WRONG. Most news outlets are funded by Big Pharma (when's the last time you watched prime time TV without seeing a pharmaceutical commercial?) The breaking news about the CDC's fraudulent study and potential damage to America's kids got no coverage. Instead, coverage of the 644 cases measles during the outbreak due to the antivaxx movement--was instead urgent and breaking news all over the country. 644 measles cases compared to 1,082,353 cases of autism in 2014.
...there is MUCH more. Do your research.
Rakosman ago
Pizzagate, now home to actual conspiracies. There are not legitimate reproducible studies that link autism and vaccines. The rates of autism are not reported on because it is status quo. A sudden outbreak of a disease that would have been eradicated by now if not for people wearing tinfoil hats is news. Furthermore, autism is a very wide spectrum with many manifestations and causes. It wouldn't be fair to talk about all cases of autism even if there was a link vaccines.
You're free to have your opinion, but this is not the place for it.
hedy ago
First, if you even bothered to read the OP's article, it was about vaccines and my post was about vaccines, not all forms of autism. Although I have two autistic family members - so I'm happy to debate you on autism facts, as well.
Secondly, you need to do your own research (I doubt that you even read my post and if you did, debunk it - fact by fact). PROVE that the "legitimate, reproducible studies" do NOT link autism and vaccines. MSM claimed that it's been proven so you seem to be content to be told what to think but I've actually done my homework.
A CDC whistle-blower debunked THE main study used to claim no link - in 2014 he exposed the truth behind the CDC's autism link coverup. Of course, no one in the MSM covered it. Look into it.
For reasons that have nothing to do with vaccines I've done quite a bit of investigation into other studies that have been "engineered" by the CDC, NIC, and articles and other publications. Here's a quote from the former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine: https://ethicalnag.org/2009/11/09/nejm-editor/
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/20/science/a-drumbeat-on-profit-takers.html?ref=topics
Rakosman ago
I read OPs post. You literally said your post was diverting the topic. I read your post. I'm not going to refute your "facts." You provided zero evidence in your post, and I'm not going to waste my time refuting your claims - you made the positive claim, you get to prove it.
hedy ago
Friend, you seem to have forgotten your own claims that there is no proof of link, so you also get to also prove your claims. If you aren't too lazy to actually do that, you'll simply cite a bunch of studies that the MSM have been slinging around - doubt you'll get much credit for that around these parts.
Once we get past the PG urgency, I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have and share my proof. Unfortunately, the vaccine community on voat was abandoned a few yrs ago.
Chances are, you don't really have any questions, haven't really looked into the vaccine and CDC corruption, you've likely never read an actual study that's been done on anything associated with it, and are just parroting what you've been told to believe. I'm not sure you belong here.
Rakosman ago
You're right. I should have said that as yet no one making the claims that there is a link has provided evidence for that; i.e., I have been exposed to no proof.
hedy ago
What kind of fucked up english is that? I have idea what you're trying to say.
The more I think about this, the more this needs to be said - my last post to you:
You are a prime example of the kind of ignorance that the PG voat community is fighting - trying to dispell the MSM bullshit. You're providing the perfect example of how the public just blindly, ignorantly, and lazily lets the MSM bullshit infiltrate their brains and rob them of all rational thought, natural curiosity and critical analysis. You're clearly not a scientist, nor anyone close to autism. You don't even attempt to qualify your arrogant declarations with any query about what might be harming those kids and fooling those parents, if not vaccines. Yet you reply to a conversation without any respect for information you don't have or bother to ask ANY questions.
This is EXACTLY what PG is fighting here. Again, this isn't the place for your mindless blathering. There are tons of other social media outlets for that noise.
Rakosman ago
demanding evidence: now a prime example of ignorance that PG is fighting against.