Every now and then you come across a really dedicated liar who just doesn't know when to give up.
In this case I'm talking about @hojuruku, who has maintained that the recent case of infant torture in Cambodia involved someone who has admitted to being a Satanist, but has embarked on a wild ride of insults and misdirection rather than actually providing anything that verifies this.
I don't know if Satanism is part of the Cambodian story, but I do know what techniques people use when they are lying in an online forum, and that they don't bother unless they think that it's something important (or they're getting paid to do it). For those of you interested in this behavior, here's the link:
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1469006/7116957
MAGABoomer ago
Infant torture? WTF is wrong with you? I saw the video, it's not just torture. And the Dutch man clearly has some nasty belief sets. Are you defending Satanism or just pissed it doesn't show up as a slice of pizza? Apparently in your desire to cover this up, you've missed the big picture which is links back to Oz/NZ and the Netherlands. 3 dead bodies of little children found on that Dutchie's farm, I'm pretty sure he wasn't doing that shit while praising Jesus.
UglyTruth ago
Why do you think I'm doing that?
You don't know what my intentions are, fuckwit.
MAGABoomer ago
Complaining and attacking someone who is exposing a world-wide pedo operation because you didn't see the kind of spirit cooking you wanted is lame. So yeah, it seems pretty clear what YOU are trying to do. Silence him. In what wee corner of your brain did you decide this only involved Cambodia? They were running a fucking euro/oz child sex pedo operation. Satanism doesn't have to be a component of that.
UglyTruth ago
I wasn't attacking him for exposing a pedo operation, you fuckwit. If you've got evidence that Satanism was involved then let's see it - that's what the argument was about.
MAGABoomer ago
It seems to me he showed you the satanic elements that are evident in the book he wrote. That you don't accept them as Satanic is your personal opinion. His personal opinion is they are evidence of Satanic beliefs. It surely isn't any other religion.
UglyTruth ago
I checked out his links and there wasn't anything there about Satanism like he said. My (and his) opinion isn't important, but the fact that was strenuously pushing false information is.
The other "religion" (for lack of a better word) is called playganism, (i.e playing at being pagans).
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=playgan
MAGABoomer ago
You're missing the point and taking this personally...for some reason.
UglyTruth ago
What do you think the point is?
seekingpeace ago
Yes, I have tried to post reasonable and accurate reporting on this horrific case as I live in Cambodia and he has reported my posts as spam.
UglyTruth ago
Was this is relation to your posts on voat.co, or elsewhere?
I believe that it's part of a larger effort to seed disinformation within the truther community. This can cause an effect described as "moral panic". A previous example was that of the Christchurch Civic Creche case, where allegations of Satanic abuse led to a miscarriage of justice. For actual cases of Satanic abuse, Fiona Barret's story and Cathy O'Brien's story are compelling.
seekingpeace ago
Yes, hojuruku was the poster. I've also read most of your sources thanks. He (hojuruku) has an obsession with OTO and is trying to link to the torture of the Cambodian boy. It is not connected to pizzagate and I've made posts to this effect on his submission but he gets my posts reported as spam. Finally, I stopped posting on his submission. It took me a while to realize my posts were futile but I am there now. :)
UglyTruth ago
I used Google translate to translate the article that he said referrred to Satanism and it came up empty like the others.
seekingpeace ago
Thank you. AFAIK there is no connection to Satanism.
argosciv ago
@armyseer you mentioned something about infighting? :(
UglyTruth ago
Look at the language patterns, mixing a fiction in with popular fact is a fairly well known trick.
hojuruku ago
FOR TWENTY TIMES SEE THE MOST UPVOTED COMMENT ON THERE SHOWING THE GUYS BOOK ABOUT A FALLEN ANGEL COMING TO EARTH TO TORTURE YOUNG BOYS. GO ON AND READ ALL THE COMMENTS ON THE THREAD. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FuKF9a19-WY/WEg8LwyBXxI/AAAAAAAACp8/maWcR7zPAXEAjv11NtvCAUCj2lCSRqToQCLcB/s640/gaypedosbook.png HERE IS HIS BOOK TITLE IT's got a link to his facebook page where the child abuse material was uploaded by accident that got him caught in it. His brother was gay too and died from AIDS as mentioned in the book https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jn_WcCFRAgg/WEg9XG22uqI/AAAAAAAACqE/3BYNjf9mw6QcbLrymYEaSVFfHgpEH0KJwCLcB/s1600/gaybrotherdedication.png He talks about running the biggest fancy dress party in Europe with 25,000 kids going in his bio and says he has got into "religion and cults" recently and he was already kicked out of one dubious order like Alister Crowley of the OTO was kicked out of the Golden Dawn. https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_JbgopFgp6Q/WEg9cXUrXrI/AAAAAAAACqI/lEYOppuhOk8ZSqLN6vYpZhSc4nR-oHaowCLcB/s1600/cultconnection.png I told this faggot the source material for this image 3 times but he keeps talking shit. https://books.google.com.vn/books?id=WjteDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT1&lpg=PT1&dq=Ghost+on+the+Run+stefan&source=bl&ots=0Z2PM-Nx64&sig=jiNF8L8X2ZOx54uW9rIQUCK3LCU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_s5LZq-TQAhWFGpQKHbDUCR8Q6AEIMzAI#v=onepage&q=Ghost%20on%20the%20Run%20stefan&f=false Now Vietnamese news are talking about 3 dead boys buried in their headlines. All newspapers in Vietnam are government owned and this is the police news one. http://m.vntb.org/soc-03-nghi-pham-bi-bat-o-campuchia-khai-da-chon-03-tre-em-sau-bop-co-di-dien-chet.html I checked google translate because people were saying other boys were involved. The OP shows the gay dutch man's boyfriend of 2 years was caught with 45 other sadistic child abuse images involving at least 10 other boys, some Vietnamese. Look at the elfia.com the event he runs and see the most upvoted comments on the thread that got 130 upvotes and one faggot pedophile down vote from you know who above @UglyTruth This guy reminds me of truthsurge or the pro-pedophile kiwifarms scum exposed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu63kK34Ehw Look at this poor cambodian farmer expat go around the world first class giving "gay friendly reviews' as his life partner gets done for raping boys, and see the other information. I have seen other gay pedophiles like this before. i only came to these forums because my friends emailed me about it and told me my other posts on the othermccain.com were being used as source for your pizzagate research. See the comments on the original thread this boysex lover keeps hijacking. https://www.tripadvisor.com/members/singelf - is the guy who got done. Look at all the multimedia added to the comments on the original thread.
UglyTruth ago
ALL CAPS
Wall of text
Calling people "faggots" simply to imply that they are of lower status
Vague or irrelevant references
Argument ad populum
hojuruku ago
Can I vilify a gay man who identifies as homosexual and is then done for raping children? I've got faggot pedophiles suing my father for vilifying Mark Newton and Peter Truong. They are also suing my friend John Sunol. Now I've got faggot trolls on this thread too. I give up. No more feeding the pedophile trolls and time to work on my 18C submission to parliament. https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/558b3c8ee4b0f1d031de9eb8 - look at the link in there - it goes to my youtube channel and is a crime to link to because it vilifies gays who rape children. More info: https://johnsunol.blogspot.com/2016/11/repost-dark-satanic-history-of-nsw-adb.html https://johnsunol.blogspot.com/2016/07/if-nsw-anti-discrimination-act-1977-was.html My dad's interview on being accused of the crime of not loving gay marriage activists who fuck babies by my gay stalker since 2009 - boylover twitter.com/garryburnsblog - search his name and sparkles the pony if you want to see how deep it goes. What about this top gay Marriage Activist who was a FBI infant child porn fugitive? http://theothermccain.com/2016/05/14/australian-gay-marriage-crusader-was-fugitive-wanted-on-kiddie-porn-charge/ Oh and what about this link of a whole gay football team (well half) being arrested that you guys used on pizzagate that brought me here: http://theothermccain.com/2016/05/26/gay-australian-rugby-player-arrested-by-fbi-sought-sex-with-6-year-old-boy/ http://www.truthnews.com.au/web/radio/story/cultural_marxism_101
If I have "faggots" threating to rape and murder my child, I have every right to hate on them, because they are arguing in court don't hate baby rape - because you can never vilify a homosexual no matter what they do to a little boy.
amCassandraAMA ago
to me this thread looks like a baseless ad hominem.
You clearly state you are not trying to defend anybody, but the johnsunol page look really disorganised.
If you want to help your friend you HAVE to explain stuff rationally, without insults, without emotion in a logical understandable manner. Im willing to listen
LostandFound ago
Using logic on an entrenched liar is like like fighting a fire with a conga line
UglyTruth ago
Is there a better way?
LostandFound ago
Take a leaf out of Hilldogs playbook, if you look at her throughout the election cycle and before, when confronted with information she did not want to address, that made her uncomfortable she never responded directly to the claim. What she did do is attack the foundation of that claim and the motivation for making the claim, taking control of the argument by changing the rules of engagement. Now didnt get her elected true, but man she has wormed her way our of more scandals over the years, she did some things right.
UglyTruth ago
Alinsky asserted that he was more concerned with the acquisition of power than anything else: "My aim here is to suggest how to organize for power: how to get it and how to use it." This is not to be done with assistance to the poor, nor even by organizing the poor to demand assistance: "[E]ven if all the low-income parts of our population were organized ... it would not be powerful enough to get significant, basic, needed changes."
http://howdypodna.com/alinsky.html