u/Throw-Away-Journo
We are told the work on /r/Pizzagate (and other message boards) is illegitimate because people are rushing to conclusions, or because they are being paranoid, or partisan (despite so many of different political complexions provably working together). The subtitle here of course is that the State is solely legitimate to suspect and investigate crimes.
But what if the State itself is, in a systemic way, responsible for said crimes? It wouldn’t be a first; after all, democide (death by government, a word surprisingly absent from conversations) was the first cause of non-natural deaths in the 20th century. Whether one is from the right, left, or center, one cannot deny government is the number one abuser, enslaver and serial-killer in History. We may honestly disagree on the ways to eradicate the phenomenon, or we may regret that fact, but we cannot deny it.
So, if the State itself is committing crimes, it is the people’s sovereign and sacred duty to expose it. Those who understand this truth best tend to become journalists. At least, that’s what drove me to the profession.
Now specifically on this work. First, there is context; institutional child abuse is already a common-knowledge phenomenon. From the Presidio affair to Jimmy Saville and the BBC, or from the Vatican’s historic involvement in covering-up pedophilia to US legislators’ documented trips on the “Lolita Express”, from the questions still surrounding Dutroux to the Hampstead doubts, the scourge has been featured in the news, movies, documentaries, art work. There have also been many policymakers, prosecutors, investigators and victims denouncing the very phenomenon; see for example British MP John Mann passionate speech before Parliament on the subject last year, or the extensive report by former undercover Interpol agent (Bannon). Indeed it is a secret de Polichinelle. So the only possible disagreement can be on the scale and systemicity of the phenomenon.
To honestly decide whether that’s what we are seeing in the Podesta emails, please have a look at this one example. Look at the invitation at the end of the thread. Ms Luzzatto is inviting people (among which are John and Mary Podesta) to a farm in Lovettsville. This is what she says:
We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in that pool for sure.
Impossible, you say? They couldn’t possibly be speaking about abusing the children! After all, what step-grandmother would offer three innocent children up for group abuse?
This is how invitee Drew Littman answers the invitation:
I’ve never had an affair, so I pass the Walter Jones test.
If you aren’t aware, Walter B. Jones has for 20 years been the U.S. Representative for North Carolina’s 3rd congressional district; in DC he’s regarded as the absurd caricature of a do-gooder, i.e. he is a noble man indeed.
Agreed, if that example was the only one, one could dismiss it as baroque misinterpretation. But there’s more, much more. Let’s not even get into the handkerchiefs and codewords – even though “cheese pizza” is a knowneuphemism for “child porn” (and there are abundant examples in the Podesta emails where that term is used in very strange and out-of-context manners).
How about the fact that John and Tony Podesta are old friends of Jeffery Epstein, Dennis Hastert and Clement Freud, three convicted child molesters? Who has so many child rapists as friends? Who stays friends with child rapists after they’re exposed and convicted?
How about the Katy Grannan photos plastered around the Podestas’ mansion, depicting naked teenagers?
How about Tony Podesta writing he’s “very good and a little wired” from being seated next to “the kids” on an airplane?
How about the underground vault on the Podestas’ property which admittedly allows them to watch “very complicated video pieces”?
If you are feeling ill-at-ease, that reaction is honorable. And the worse thing is you haven’t yet seen much. But for more, you’ll have to look for it. Indeed one might be breaking statutory laws by linking to some of the clues Internet sleuths have found in the past three weeks.
For example, did you know James Alefantis, listed 49th “most influential” person in DC by GQ, chef and White House regular, boyfriend of David Brock, owner of Comet Ping Pong, had an Instagram account filled with references to and depictions of child abuse and torture? Indeed it’s not just the frescoes in his restaurant or the “artists” he hosts there; it’s not even the fact his menu and the logos of three other iconic businesses next door feature FBI-recognized pedophilia symbols. No, this is about his own posts, pictures, comments and friends on social media. Again, you’ll have to look it up for yourself. It is hardly ambiguous. Indeed it is Alefantis who puts the pizza in #Pizzagate.
If that surprises you, did you know Arun Rao was caught “liking” several of Alefantis’ creepiest toddler Instagram posts? Again, that could be dismissed – only there’s all this context, and the fact Mr Rao is a Assistant US attorney, and charged with prosecuting child pornography and abuse.
And if you’re still not distinguishing the pattern, did you know that Laura Silsby (Gayler), the woman caught trying to smuggle thirty-three children out of Haiti (a country where the Clinton Foundation isn’t without controversy), whose release from jail became a personal matter for Ms Clinton, thereafter became an associate of MyStateUSA, which changed its name to AlertSense, and which is the one providing the technology to issue Amber Alerts?
Enough already. If anything I have proven the legitimacy of the following question:
Is there a systemic pedophilia problem in Washington DC, as we already suspect there is one in Hollywood?
In terms of national systemicity, the statistics are eloquent. The International Centre for Missing Children (ICMEC) estimates that 8 million children are reported missing each year around the world. Of that number, according to U.S. Department of Justice research, an estimated 800,000 children will go missing in the United States alone — a rate of over 2’000 missing children each day — with 466,949 of those cases entered into the FBI’s National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database in 2014. With a current child population (aged 0 – 17) of around 74 million in the United States, the U.S. Department of Justice figures equate to around 1 child in every 92 going missing in the United States each year.
This looks like a systemic problem indeed. Childhood disappearances outnumber cancer deaths in the United States by one third.
Therefore, given the sheer amount of leaked emails, and the suspected phenomenon’s scale and repartition, it is likely the data dumps (Podesta and other Wikileaks, Guccifer 1/2, DNCLeaks, etc.) provide some clue to the problem. Therefore, they should be investigated thoroughly under than particular lens, and suspicions need to be corroborated with other (and previously) known facts.
So, my fellow journalists, why aren’t you all looking into this? Is it easy for you to dismiss it as confirmation bias?
I’m not going to answer the question for you. At least hop on the bandwagon: this is coming out with or without your help. But remember some moments are defining, in one’s career, for one’s conscience.
I’ll conclude with two excerpts of the Munich Declaration of the Duties and Rights of Journalists (kind of our own Hippocratic Oath).
The responsibility of journalists vis-a-vis the public has precedence over any other responsibility, in particular towards their employers and the public power.
[A journalist’s duties include] respecting the truth no matter what consequences it may bring about to him, … defending the freedom of information, of commentaries and of criticism, [and] not suppressing essential information.
… and one question:
If this doesn’t matter, what does?
sheer-con ago
You should clarify that a good portion of these missing children were "kidnapped" by one of their parents.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2007/01/800000_missing_kids_really.html
Interestingly that article mentions kids found in the home of a pizza shop worker in St. Louis.
ThePuppetShow ago
This isn't my piece, so I don't want to change it. It actually works out to about 1600 kids stay missing every year. Thanks for pointing it out, at least it's clarified in the comments now.
it_was_foretold ago
Make this go viral!
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
My only caveat to this post, is that it should probably read 800,000 children are reported missing every year, they don't usually stay missing. Other than that great read, I remember the original post.
More info http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2007/01/800000_missing_kids_really.html
ThePuppetShow ago
Yes, it actually works out to about 1600 kids stay missing. Thank you for clarification, it's not my piece so I don't want to change it. 1600 is still an enormous number.
Rigg5 ago
It's better with the functioning links included, but yes, it needs to be brought to attention. excellent write-up.
DarkMath ago
I think the fact the Edgar Maddison Welch has found employment recently as an ACTOR and is also a writer of screenplays means PizzaGate is now officially real. Old Edgar doesn't work as a trucker or a cashier at the Piggly Wiggly or as salesman at the Bass Pro Shops or as a cook at the Waffle House. No. Edgar Welch IS AN ACTOR........Who ever paid him today must be horribly desperate. This was a total Hail Mary and it failed. May Godspeed The Plow.......
;-)
ThePuppetShow ago
No shit.. Game on!
thezodiac ago
How do you know the Podestas are friends with Clement Freud? Do you have any source to back it? Looks like bullshit to me.
QuestionEverything ago
DONT BOTHER USING GOOGLE YOU FUCKER? Are we your secretarys?
There's 5+ facts to back that up. Wikileaks showing them staying there in 2007, Detectives announcing it, etc.
Dont be a cuck. Own up to your words. Do a fucking search before spouting crap, kk thx?
thezodiac ago
I did that, didn't find any proof. I'm not saying it's not true. Maybe they really were in Portugal and are friends with Clement Freud, but there is no evidence. The only evidence is: the sketches of the Podestas and the date of the beginning of the emails. But to say they are friends of Clement Freud, there is NO EVIDENCE to back that!
QuestionEverything ago
You're wrong. But you keep saying shit like you're right.
Lookup suffolk det. mcann testimony.
Realize that MI5 have said they are under GAG order. Which is why the confusion is all sown..
They WERE AND ARE regular house guests there. PERIOD. It's not a disputable fact. Words were from a DETECTIVE quoted in MSM print.
thezodiac ago
You keep screaming but you don't present any link containing the evidence, it's just bla bla bla. The only source linking Freud to the Podestas is some anon guy in 4chan. There's really no evidence besides that.
ThePuppetShow ago
I didn't write this piece, I'm just passing it along as the author asked. I edited in a link to a copy of the original post, which includes source links, maybe this will help.
MAGABoomer ago
I'd also like to ask responsible journalists to read comments before running with something. At the moment we have at least one fake video posted on the main page, such things are created solely to discredit with the ridiculously sublime. Until such time as regular voat users figure out that the majority of people coming here are NOT voat users and agree to at least quarantine such asshattery, please read comments.
ThorTheWonderful ago
This is the kind of well thought out media exposure we need to raise awareness to this.
DrTBurn ago
https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/
ThorTheWonderful ago
What you wrote would make a good piece in a news paper!
ThePuppetShow ago
Not my piece, just passing it along like the author asked. I couldn't agree more though.
ThorTheWonderful ago
You should relay the recommendation to make a news story with that. If he/she is willing.
ThePuppetShow ago
Author is anon, said publisher would never touch it and dumped it in r/pizzagate. Hopefully he/she is lurking..
ThorTheWonderful ago
We have to try and make everything spread like wild fire. I am new using all this social media and my other accounts are being locked out demanding I give them ID or phone# for validation of my identity. Major privacy violation as far I am concerned! Do we walk around with our ID on our forehead in public, I think not and I will never allow it! But they will not stop at anything to take over and we can't wait much longer before a full blown revolt MUST begin. If we let them get any more upper hand on this global take over, we wont be able to stop them. There are only 2 countries still standing, basically, the US and Russia. All other civilians have been disarmed. I guess Canadians are still armed but there is only 40 or 50 million of them and if half are brainwashed, thats not much.
ThePuppetShow ago
I've been locked out of a couple also, keep fighting.
We're winning, look at their desperation.
ThorTheWonderful ago
As long as we keep depending on their economic system, they will have unlimited financial resources powered by our own labor. We need to crush them by a massive unilateral workers strike and completely crush the FED.
retractableclaws ago
You're going to need a few more line breaks if you don't want to break people's eyeballs. Do a double line break to create paragraphs, like this:
Also, if you don't want to create those left-right scroll bars, delete the spaces before your quote. Just use a single greater-than sign to make a quote. Example:
Thanks for your hard work!
ThePuppetShow ago
I fixed it a bit, I'll work on it more. Thank you.
ThePuppetShow ago
How do I make a request to get this stickied?
kingkongwaswrong ago
we can only have 1 sticky. This has been circulated before and while its amazing, it's also not up to date.
I can add it to the sidebar though.
ThePuppetShow ago
Thank you.
ThePuppetShow ago
@kingkongwaswrong
jml1201 ago
I'm not sure. You can try asking the mod.
ThePuppetShow ago
I would like to put out a special thanks to the author, hopefully they're at least lurking.
ThePuppetShow ago
I couldn't agree more!
ThePuppetShow ago
Help me get this to the front page!
jml1201 ago
Will do
jml1201 ago
This was an amazing post. Thank you!
ThePuppetShow ago
Just figured this would be a good time to float this out there again.
siriansun ago
Yup, good call. I've share this article a hundred times in the last few weeks hehe.