Why does this article think that Kelloggs is 'far left'? Because it wants to help make sure people from all races have similar levels of opportunity and that your race or nationality shouldn't hold you back from fulfilling your potential just on the basis of other peoples' prejudices? I don't understand why that is a) a left wing idea or b) a bad thing??
I hate the way the right seem to have decided to label everything they don't like as being 'left wing,' even when it's completely the opposite. Like the idea that the Clintons or the Democrats are left wing is utterly laughable. The EU? The EU is right wing/centre right. George Soros? Right wing. In the traditional sense of what left and right mean. I think what people are getting mixed up about is that ideologies like that of Clinton, for example, are economically very right wing and neoliberal, and they are also socially liberal, so basically they don't want to interfere in how individuals choose to live their lives, let people marry who they want, do what they want with their own bodies etc - they don't care about that stuff, that's just stuff to get people on their side, what they really care about is their awful criminal economic policies and their perverted form of sociocorporatism, where economically there is socialism for corporations/the rich (i.e. the working people and the poor prop up the banks and the corporations with their taxes by bailing them out, subsidising wages etc) and capitalism for the workers and the poor (i.e. dog eat dog). They are NOT left wing.
I get the feeling the right try to characterise these awful people and ideas as left wing so that people will never bother looking into what actual left wing policies are like, centre-left democratic socialist policies, which are basically for the good of the people, not dictated by governments and bankers and corporate lobbyists. Of course they don't want people getting wind of that. It's so frustrating to me, I see it ALL THE TIME, people getting it all wrong and mixed up. Argh.
Yeah I know they labelled themselves that, that doesn't mean that's what they are, I know the majority of people on the left in my country do no identify at all with ANYTHING Clinton is about. And they are liberals in many senses, but liberal doesn't equal leftist. Maybe it's just a relative term for each country, if the Democrats came to the UK maybe 10 years ago, they would've been seen as on the right, more on the right than our major centre right party. Now the Overton window has shifted so much towards the right the world over. I actually think we should stop using these terms because they mean such different things to different people and different countries etc, and it just means that people will hear something is 'right wing' and instantly dismiss it without checking it out, and the same with people who consider themselves on the right instantly dismissing anything that is labelled as leftist.
For example I thought a couple of Trump's policies were left wing by the definition of the left I understand (an which Wikipedia seems to agree with) but perhaps we shouldn't think in those terms. Let's just think in terms of what's good for ordinary people and what's bad for them, that way we hopefully won't miss out on any good stuff just by virtue of the label that's been stuck on it.
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SpikyAube ago
Why does this article think that Kelloggs is 'far left'? Because it wants to help make sure people from all races have similar levels of opportunity and that your race or nationality shouldn't hold you back from fulfilling your potential just on the basis of other peoples' prejudices? I don't understand why that is a) a left wing idea or b) a bad thing??
I hate the way the right seem to have decided to label everything they don't like as being 'left wing,' even when it's completely the opposite. Like the idea that the Clintons or the Democrats are left wing is utterly laughable. The EU? The EU is right wing/centre right. George Soros? Right wing. In the traditional sense of what left and right mean. I think what people are getting mixed up about is that ideologies like that of Clinton, for example, are economically very right wing and neoliberal, and they are also socially liberal, so basically they don't want to interfere in how individuals choose to live their lives, let people marry who they want, do what they want with their own bodies etc - they don't care about that stuff, that's just stuff to get people on their side, what they really care about is their awful criminal economic policies and their perverted form of sociocorporatism, where economically there is socialism for corporations/the rich (i.e. the working people and the poor prop up the banks and the corporations with their taxes by bailing them out, subsidising wages etc) and capitalism for the workers and the poor (i.e. dog eat dog). They are NOT left wing.
I get the feeling the right try to characterise these awful people and ideas as left wing so that people will never bother looking into what actual left wing policies are like, centre-left democratic socialist policies, which are basically for the good of the people, not dictated by governments and bankers and corporate lobbyists. Of course they don't want people getting wind of that. It's so frustrating to me, I see it ALL THE TIME, people getting it all wrong and mixed up. Argh.
looking4truth ago
Lmao no true scotsman fallacy. I am pretty sure no one "labeled" those fools. They are self proclaimed democrats/leftists/liberals. You're in denial
SpikyAube ago
Yeah I know they labelled themselves that, that doesn't mean that's what they are, I know the majority of people on the left in my country do no identify at all with ANYTHING Clinton is about. And they are liberals in many senses, but liberal doesn't equal leftist. Maybe it's just a relative term for each country, if the Democrats came to the UK maybe 10 years ago, they would've been seen as on the right, more on the right than our major centre right party. Now the Overton window has shifted so much towards the right the world over. I actually think we should stop using these terms because they mean such different things to different people and different countries etc, and it just means that people will hear something is 'right wing' and instantly dismiss it without checking it out, and the same with people who consider themselves on the right instantly dismissing anything that is labelled as leftist.
For example I thought a couple of Trump's policies were left wing by the definition of the left I understand (an which Wikipedia seems to agree with) but perhaps we shouldn't think in those terms. Let's just think in terms of what's good for ordinary people and what's bad for them, that way we hopefully won't miss out on any good stuff just by virtue of the label that's been stuck on it.