The Instagram page of (Redacted) (co-founder of Comet Ping Pong) contains graphic images and hashtags. Many of these photos were taken on the work premesis. (talk) 3:31, Dec 1 2016 (CET) —Preceding undated comment added 02:32, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
My comment/vote (I honestly dont know how the Wiki "democracy" works) for removing the "conspiracy theory" Wiki entry due to cherry picking was completely removed. I stupidly did not include a screenshot of it, but it included the phrase "undermines Wikipedia as a neutral source and unbiased encyclopedia" if anyone wants to search through the 100001 edits from December 2nd (or late December 1st, since I"m 6 hours ahead of US time)
A slice for you[edit]
Nice job cleaning up pizzagate, are you going to move it into mainspace? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:27, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
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I'm still concerned over WP:EFFECT. I'll wait til the MfD finishes. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:30, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
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Annoying that people vote delete without reading the article and looking at the sources. In general at deletion talks, I think the first !vote is a strong influence for the next two votes which are usually knee jerks without actually reading the article in question. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:46, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
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FYI: I've increased protection to extended confirmed to start to deal with issues like the most recent unpleasantness. Acroterion (talk) 00:59, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
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I saw, thanks. Good to have an uninvolved admin on the scene. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:01, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Consensus at ANI was that the mention of the falsity of the accusations is an essential part of BLP compliance, and I've blocked, protected and warned on the same basis. I see little point in debating, it just drags you into "involved" accusations. Revert, warn and block. Hopefully the protection will confine the disruption to the talkpage, though that might have to be protected too, a la the first use of 50/300 with GamerGate. It helped greatly there, and this is far more straightforward. Acroterion (talk) 01:07, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
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I've already re-written a draft and argued for it at MfD, so there's material to claim I'm involved. I don't want to be, and I'd consider another admin uninvolved, but I know that it could be used against me. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:09, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
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Oh look: the first brand-new account has appeared on the talkpage to argue! [6] I'd suggest leaving those explanations to someone else, it will just be aggravating. Acroterion (talk) 01:16, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
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I've gotta go teach, anyway, and I still haven't had breakfast. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:33, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ian.thomson#Notice_of_Neutral_point_of_view_noticeboard_discussion>
Compile any mainstream media source we can (France/Germany/Russia have reported that Pizzagate has merits) to counter their biased narratives.
I believe some of the MSM in France, Germany and Russia have already picked up #Pizzagate and thought it has merits. Let's use them to counter the extremely biased view of that SHILL - Ian Thomson. That wiki page has become a war zone now because of him.
Hey guys, since there are foreign MSM articles citing that Pizzagate appears to be a real deal. We can counter-claim that there are two sides (both from well-known sources). Not just a one-sided, biased, "debunked" story?
Maybe we can compile a list of MSM articles that at least help prove it's still debatable/not yet conclusive. We can't let them control wikipedia like they control the MSM.
Is it really surprising? Everyone's trying to censor Pizzagate. The more they try to censor it, the more suspicious everything becomes. They can't keep it hidden for much longer.//
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ian.thomson
This guy is the master SHILL behind the wiki ban. We should let them know that, if neutrality and donation mean anything to them, they should stop fucking with potential donors and being extremely biased towards the MSM.
His name is really common, but I was able to pull up what was probably his Facebook. The info matches what is on his Wiki page.
Not too sure, but this might be his Linkedin Looks pretty empty, but the school matches. There are no matches for his name for someone in China, which is where he works according to his Wiki page.
You can add your reason for wanting to get this shit deleted here
I went with the angle that the sources used were chosen to prove the OPs point, "which undermines Wikipedia as a neutral source and unbiased encyclopedia" lolololollllol
"X mark.svg Not done - Reliable sources unanimously describe the claims as false conspiracy theories which defame living people. Wikipedia content is not "free press," our content is based upon what is verifiable from published reliable sources. In addition, our policy on living people requires that we treat poorly-sourced negative claims about living people with harsh skepticism. The bottom line is that for this issue to be mentioned in the encyclopedia at all requires that we declare it to be false. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:24, 1 December 2016 (UTC)" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pizzagate
This is simply not true - MSM in France, Germany and Russia have picked up the story and thought it has merits. FAR from unanimous.
They are silencing PizzaGate because its a witch-hunt.
Why is the mod's deleting any post that doesn't fit the confirmation bias of Alex Jones lemmings?
I watch PizzaGate unfold and hear 100's of lies daily, and notice that nobody questions the insanity of this witch hunt.
1.) James Elefantis says he has NO BASEMENT in his interview, I would agree modern strip-malls don't have basements they just sit on a slab of cement. The photos of the cold-storage room, there is no proof those photos are from comet-pizza, The photos of the digging, there is no proof that those photos are from comet-piazza.
2.) Elefantis said in his interview he never met Hillary Clinton. Who is lying? Him or the people that seeded the wikileak emails??
3.) There is a photo of Elefantis in the whitehouse with Obama, and Elefantis is leaning against the wall and Obama is playing ping-pong witih a child. Who has proven these photos are not fake, who has proven they are real. Elefantis says he has never been to the white house.
4.) Alex Jones say's that there are 1,000's of reference to code-word pizza in the Podesta wikileak emails, I have read and grep'd these emails, I count about 18 references to pizza in 55,000 emails. Gourmet cooks like Podesta frequently bake pizza in their homes, its fun and everybody enjoy building their own custom pizza.
5.) PizzaGate is on record saying that Elefantis is the #48 most powerful person in DC and quote a faux GQ article as the source, if you read the article you will see that krusty-the-clown is #1, and Hillary Cllinton is #10. James Elifant is a fuck-bitch of Brock ( a powerful man ), I don't even think Brock made it to the list why would that be unless the makers of the list were retarded. Elefantis has records that he didn't pay his payroll taxes and he has judgements against him for $25k that he didn't pay his janitorial services. So Pizzagate is saying that a guy facing bankruptcyr during the past two years is the #48 most powerful person in DC? This is insanity, the meme is that he is supplying baby's to the richest ppl in DC, if that were true they would be paying all his bills and debt and keep him out of the courts. I could go on, but PizzaGate is deep in lies. I also note that the pro-trump people running pizzagate have quit defending their arguments now they just do personal attacks on anybody that questions the PizzaGate witch-hunt.
If there's no basement, why not bring a crew to clear this all up and be done with it? It's obviously a pain in the ass. There should have been an NBC dateline on that shit already if there was nothing to worry about. WHAT'S THE HOLD UP?!
Have you asked him why his name literally means I LOVE CHILDREN? Or why his (now private) Instagram page has a bunch of weird pictures of kids with creepy hashtags related to child rape?
And did you think it was weird that some rich ass politican would have to cut a slice of pizza up into smaller pieces? You have read the emails. The language they are using is not normal. It sounds even clunkier than when my friends and I were young and would replace "Do you have weed" with "Do you have my Donkey Kong game?"
Wikipedia really wants to keep anything regarding Pizzagate off of the public radar and try to make it seem like a tin foil hat conspiracy or "fake news"
Here is the talk page, if you would like to address these issues within the Wiki forum.
Hey source foreign mainstream media articles to tell them that only the MSM in the US are "debunking" it. They claim "neutrality" is one of their core values, and they should live up to that.
The original, which it was reverted back to after my edit, is here - "A conspiracy theory falsely claiming the existence of a child trafficking ring involving the Washington, D.C. restaurant Comet Ping Pong"
Disambugiation pages do not include sources. Maybe I should have left out the part about PEDOesta? I think I need to wait 2 more days to re-edit it, so maybe someone from here could change it to "A scandal regarding the potential existance of a child trafficking ring involving the Washington, D.C. restaurant Comet Ping Pong". The use of the word 'potential' is not saying it is or isn't, but I could still see some fucking shill having an issue with it.
Maintaining a neutral tone and perspective is mandatory on Wikipedia. You have to be very careful how you word things. Leave it for people who know how to do it, or else they'll end up locking it.
Could someone with more experience do this please? I don't want to offload something I started, but I have the same concerns, which is why I just didn't use a VPN and bombard the entry with alt accounts every half hour
l23r ago
HA this shit just gets better...
My comment was edited:
My comment/vote (I honestly dont know how the Wiki "democracy" works) for removing the "conspiracy theory" Wiki entry due to cherry picking was completely removed. I stupidly did not include a screenshot of it, but it included the phrase "undermines Wikipedia as a neutral source and unbiased encyclopedia" if anyone wants to search through the 100001 edits from December 2nd (or late December 1st, since I"m 6 hours ahead of US time)
llm2016 ago
These SHILLS/SJWs seem to think they know better:
Compile any mainstream media source we can (France/Germany/Russia have reported that Pizzagate has merits) to counter their biased narratives.
l23r ago
Of course that fuckwad brings up Gamergate. And then talks about eating breakfast. Probably an obeast neckbeard.
llm2016 ago
I believe some of the MSM in France, Germany and Russia have already picked up #Pizzagate and thought it has merits. Let's use them to counter the extremely biased view of that SHILL - Ian Thomson. That wiki page has become a war zone now because of him.
llm2016 ago
Hey guys, since there are foreign MSM articles citing that Pizzagate appears to be a real deal. We can counter-claim that there are two sides (both from well-known sources). Not just a one-sided, biased, "debunked" story?
l23r ago
That is a good idea. Wiki can't say that it is unfounded (why? because it's a non-American source?) if it is a "major" source with "legitimacy"
llm2016 ago
Maybe we can compile a list of MSM articles that at least help prove it's still debatable/not yet conclusive. We can't let them control wikipedia like they control the MSM.
pizzagate2 ago
Is it really surprising? Everyone's trying to censor Pizzagate. The more they try to censor it, the more suspicious everything becomes. They can't keep it hidden for much longer.//
llm2016 ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ian.thomson This guy is the master SHILL behind the wiki ban. We should let them know that, if neutrality and donation mean anything to them, they should stop fucking with potential donors and being extremely biased towards the MSM.
l23r ago
His name is really common, but I was able to pull up what was probably his Facebook. The info matches what is on his Wiki page.
Not too sure, but this might be his Linkedin Looks pretty empty, but the school matches. There are no matches for his name for someone in China, which is where he works according to his Wiki page.
Dataanti ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Pizzagate_(conspiracy_theory)
found this, it does not look good XD
l23r ago
You can add your reason for wanting to get this shit deleted here
I went with the angle that the sources used were chosen to prove the OPs point, "which undermines Wikipedia as a neutral source and unbiased encyclopedia" lolololollllol
llm2016 ago
"X mark.svg Not done - Reliable sources unanimously describe the claims as false conspiracy theories which defame living people. Wikipedia content is not "free press," our content is based upon what is verifiable from published reliable sources. In addition, our policy on living people requires that we treat poorly-sourced negative claims about living people with harsh skepticism. The bottom line is that for this issue to be mentioned in the encyclopedia at all requires that we declare it to be false. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:24, 1 December 2016 (UTC)" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pizzagate
This is simply not true - MSM in France, Germany and Russia have picked up the story and thought it has merits. FAR from unanimous.
llm2016 ago
That's right. Use their words against them.
DavidSemen ago
They are silencing PizzaGate because its a witch-hunt. Why is the mod's deleting any post that doesn't fit the confirmation bias of Alex Jones lemmings?
I watch PizzaGate unfold and hear 100's of lies daily, and notice that nobody questions the insanity of this witch hunt.
1.) James Elefantis says he has NO BASEMENT in his interview, I would agree modern strip-malls don't have basements they just sit on a slab of cement. The photos of the cold-storage room, there is no proof those photos are from comet-pizza, The photos of the digging, there is no proof that those photos are from comet-piazza.
2.) Elefantis said in his interview he never met Hillary Clinton. Who is lying? Him or the people that seeded the wikileak emails??
3.) There is a photo of Elefantis in the whitehouse with Obama, and Elefantis is leaning against the wall and Obama is playing ping-pong witih a child. Who has proven these photos are not fake, who has proven they are real. Elefantis says he has never been to the white house.
4.) Alex Jones say's that there are 1,000's of reference to code-word pizza in the Podesta wikileak emails, I have read and grep'd these emails, I count about 18 references to pizza in 55,000 emails. Gourmet cooks like Podesta frequently bake pizza in their homes, its fun and everybody enjoy building their own custom pizza.
5.) PizzaGate is on record saying that Elefantis is the #48 most powerful person in DC and quote a faux GQ article as the source, if you read the article you will see that krusty-the-clown is #1, and Hillary Cllinton is #10. James Elifant is a fuck-bitch of Brock ( a powerful man ), I don't even think Brock made it to the list why would that be unless the makers of the list were retarded. Elefantis has records that he didn't pay his payroll taxes and he has judgements against him for $25k that he didn't pay his janitorial services. So Pizzagate is saying that a guy facing bankruptcyr during the past two years is the #48 most powerful person in DC? This is insanity, the meme is that he is supplying baby's to the richest ppl in DC, if that were true they would be paying all his bills and debt and keep him out of the courts. I could go on, but PizzaGate is deep in lies. I also note that the pro-trump people running pizzagate have quit defending their arguments now they just do personal attacks on anybody that questions the PizzaGate witch-hunt.
anubic ago
If there's no basement, why not bring a crew to clear this all up and be done with it? It's obviously a pain in the ass. There should have been an NBC dateline on that shit already if there was nothing to worry about. WHAT'S THE HOLD UP?!
l23r ago
Have you asked him why his name literally means I LOVE CHILDREN? Or why his (now private) Instagram page has a bunch of weird pictures of kids with creepy hashtags related to child rape?
And did you think it was weird that some rich ass politican would have to cut a slice of pizza up into smaller pieces? You have read the emails. The language they are using is not normal. It sounds even clunkier than when my friends and I were young and would replace "Do you have weed" with "Do you have my Donkey Kong game?"
ThrowMeAVoat ago
can't wait til I can downvoat you...
l23r ago
Gave you an upvoat. Hope that helps bring you closer to your goal!
ThrowMeAVoat ago
Thank you!!
Dataanti ago
just gonna copy paste that all day?
l23r ago
That is the result of making a minor edit to the Pizzagate disambugation page.
Wikipedia really wants to keep anything regarding Pizzagate off of the public radar and try to make it seem like a tin foil hat conspiracy or "fake news"
Here is the talk page, if you would like to address these issues within the Wiki forum.
Millennial_Falcon ago
What was the edit? What source did you provide?
llm2016 ago
Hey source foreign mainstream media articles to tell them that only the MSM in the US are "debunking" it. They claim "neutrality" is one of their core values, and they should live up to that.
l23r ago
The original, which it was reverted back to after my edit, is here - "A conspiracy theory falsely claiming the existence of a child trafficking ring involving the Washington, D.C. restaurant Comet Ping Pong"
Disambugiation pages do not include sources. Maybe I should have left out the part about PEDOesta? I think I need to wait 2 more days to re-edit it, so maybe someone from here could change it to "A scandal regarding the potential existance of a child trafficking ring involving the Washington, D.C. restaurant Comet Ping Pong". The use of the word 'potential' is not saying it is or isn't, but I could still see some fucking shill having an issue with it.
Millennial_Falcon ago
Maintaining a neutral tone and perspective is mandatory on Wikipedia. You have to be very careful how you word things. Leave it for people who know how to do it, or else they'll end up locking it.
l23r ago
Could someone with more experience do this please? I don't want to offload something I started, but I have the same concerns, which is why I just didn't use a VPN and bombard the entry with alt accounts every half hour