Anyway, from this article I wondered.... who is Frenchman Pierre L'Enfant? What is up with all these French names that sound like infant? Anyway, that is all speculation, but I found this man's involvement in building D.C.during the time of George Washington interesting. Thought it might be relevant because of a thread (can't find it now) where people are discussing how D.C. is built in relation to pizzagate.
Yeah, let's not focus too much on the symbols and cult stuff. It usually doesn't go anywhere and just makes us look crazy. Focus on connections between people, events, places, ect.
Because the sign is old - predating the existence of Comet Ping Pong by many years - it has nothing to do with Alefantis other than the fact that he chose it. This could just have been because the assets of the former Comet business were apparently sold off around 2005. Alefantis would presumably have seen it advertised for sale at the time he was thinking of starting the business that became Comet Ping Pong. I think he just went with the name because it's a great sign.
That's the same order Dr Kidman was in, he wore a pendant with the star and each point was red, green, blue, yellow and black. Research Fiona Barnett, she was abused by him as a child
Good we have a WW2 connection. We need to research this guys family history.
I assume he migrated from Germany but was he or is family from Germany or Bolshevik Russia??
I think this is all to do with Bolshevik infiltration of western societies.
The N.W.O. was to be the take down of the west since their plan to conquer the west failed due to being interrupted by Hitler.
I don't think the star is solely shiners though, you see it plenty throughout masonic artwork, it's more attributed to a deity than a fraternity, which shriners and freemasons openly worship.
He also says blatantly factually untrue things. OES is a Masonic-affiliated organization, but members aren't considered Freemasons. The organization is not the largest Masonic branch (though it is associated with UGLE, which is). The vast, vast majority of its members are women who wanted to experience Masonic culture but were barred by UGLE's prohibition of women being members.
It's a cop out way for Freemasonry to deal with the women who want to join. Continential Freemasonry (which dominates Europe outside of the UK) just allows women to join as regular "brothers."
It cleary says right here on wikipedia literally the very first thing that comes up when you look up the name Order of the Eastern Star. Do you even bother trying to look into anything before blatantly spewing nonsense?
"The Order of the Eastern Star is a Freemasonic appendant body open to both men and women. It was established in 1850 by lawyer and educator Rob Morris, a noted Freemason. The order is based on teachings from the Bible,[1] but is open to people of all religious beliefs. It has approximately 10,000 chapters in twenty countries and approximately 500,000 members under its General Grand Chapter.
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Members of the Order are aged 18 and older; men must be Master Masons and women must have specific relationships with Masons. Originally, a woman would have to be the daughter, widow, wife, sister, or mother of a master Mason, but the Order now allows other relatives[2] as well as allowing Job's Daughters, Rainbow Girls, Members of the Organization of Triangles (NY only) and members of the Constellation of Junior Stars (NY only) to become members when of age."
How does this contradict anything I've said? If anything, it supports it.
The Order of the Eastern Star is a Freemasonic appendant body
As I said:
OES is a Masonic-affiliated organization,
The description of its membership is decontexualized, but it supports what I said: that it's a way for women to experience Masonic culture without actually being made Freemasons. You don't experience Masonic culture without Masons present (the men). But it exists mostly for the benefit of the women.
I actually dislike the OES, because I view it as a cop out way for freemasonry to deal with the sexist nature of their blanket ban on female membership.
Good point, FredDurst. The OP's use of "you all missed," in the title, instead of choosing to use "we missed," makes it sound like the OP is not one of us!
Or maybe, just maybe it's cause i'm new to contributing to this investigation, and have been following on the outside and noticed "you" missed this lead. I wasn't a member till about 6 hours ago. It was certainly not meant to be taken derogatorily .
The star and crescent seems to revolve around the deity known as Lampadephoros, one of the strongest moon goddesses. She's known to take 3 forms however I recall Hillary Clinton giving praise to Mother Moon. Keep in mind this addendum branch of Masonry accustoms incumbent women into the OES as it being the ONLY way a woman could be a member. Bill Clinton is a suspected Mason, it's not out of the realm of possibility they are members of that Fraternity.
The N.W.O is real all the occult shit is real all of it. It's all a jewish conspiracy to rule the world man. educate yourself on the true enemy. This is just the tip of the iceberg folks.
There are two Jewish groups. Hitler tried to separate the Bolshevik Jews who had taken over the education, banks and politics in Germany and the rest of Europe. So he knew there was two groups.
All the holocaust propaganda was perpetrated by the Bolsheviks.
The original plan was to "ruin" the west and then invade as revealed by released documents after the fall of USSR, and then invade Europe with the help of Roosevelt who was also a communist.
Hitler and his Nazi's were innocent! And so are the Jews of Germany. Thats why Hitler made a resettlement agreement with Palestine for the Jews to live in Jerusalem while still having camps for the ones he couldn't vett.
It is natural when you are war to put certain potential enemies in camps for both national security and for their own protection if they are innocent.
The fake gas story was cooked up by the Bolsheviks after the war. No evidence was ever provided to this day that supports that story and it is outlawed in 16 countries to question it.
Actually there was 2 more recent imprisonments. 1 90 year old Nazi man (I am surprised they spared any) sentenced again for holocaust denial and the same for an old lady.
I can't believe it's real. I mean, I know it is, now, I can see it is. What are the chances that there's been all that 'conspiracy theory' stuff out there all these years about this stuff, and that ALL these things people have found recently are just coincidence and totally innocent? The chances are infinitesimally small. This isn't like one of those things where people read into everything and connect dots that aren't there and don't make sense to connect, while leaving out all the other contradictory pertinent information. This is just, wherever you turn, whatever thread you follow, expecting to find something that makes it all go away, makes sense in the context of the world you used to think existed, you only find more unimaginable coincidences and intolerable horror. I'm scared. What else is true?! Are they all really reptilians from another dimension? Who knows anymore!
These demons have been around for thousands of years. I have researched the powers that should never be for 40 years. They are hard to get to bc they surround themselves with people in power. People in power get there not to help this country but to break the law and get away with it. Who do we go to when the people who are supposed to protect are the abusers? (rhetorical)
The difference between what has happened in the past versus what is happening now is the courageous efforts of citizen researchers/journalists and good Samaritans doing everything they can to protect the children and expose/stop this evil.
This is an active situation. Keep in mind that somewhere in this country, somewhere in the world...NYC, Lost Wages, Hellyweird, the UK, Singapore...children are being abused, sacrificed, consumed. It is imperative that the non satanically induced do everything they can to bring this order down, imho.
I know man I find the most disturbing thing is what happened to adolf hitler. It's absolutely scary the kind of power they weld to condition people into believing he is literally evil incarnate and yet he was the one who was fight against this jewish evil.
It seems all the Illuminati/Freemason stuff is what makes the most sense w this being a global issue even though we have only been obsessing on DC. The supposed Illuminati HQ's as well. All of it makes more sense under those umbrellas. The interpersonal/business relationships that are all at the upper echelons of society. Banks, Big Business, Vatican, politics, Universities, MSM, "Climate Scientists" etc.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Freemasons are known for using shell companies, for example IHOP on free pancake day is a recruitment day for Masons. And the OES is the largest branch that exists, and it's literally exclusive to 33rd degree members.
And the OES is the largest branch that exists, and it's literally exclusive to 33rd degree members.
You are continuing to spread blatant falsehoods.
The largest Masonic organization is UGLE. OES is associated with them, but the OES aren't even considered Freemasonry, just a Masonic-affiliated organization.
You don't have to be a 33rd degree mason. You have to know a 3rd degree mason. Very big difference, especially since "craft" Freemasonry (the first through third degrees) are a lot less secretive. "Master Masons" are 3rd degree masons, despite having 30 degrees above them. The idea isn't that they have "mastered" freemasonry in its entirety but rather an allegory for the master/journeyman-style freemasonry guilds. A "master" is just one who knows enough to teach others but can be someone who is just past that threshold.
The Scottish Rites (4th through 33rd) are a lot more secretive and exclusive.
Mostly all masonic lodges recognize the Scottish Rites. But in UGLE Freemasonry, there is a distinction between blue/craft lodges (1-3) and Scottish Rite lodges (4-33). Under Continental Freemasonry (which isn't popular in the US or UK), yes, it all happens in the same craft/blue lodge.
Also, all degrees are only gained through rites, both in Craft and Scottish Rites in both UGLE and Continental Freemasonry.
You are correct and that is my mistake about needing to be a 33rd degree, I was mistaken. However
There is literally almost no difference between a 32nd-33rd degree and a 3rd degree mason it has even been explicitly said by people who are actually scottish rite masons the only difference is in the title. The only top secret part of masonry is the 33rd degree because it is only through the actual Scottish Rites you can achieve that status. Literally every other form of Masonry goes to 32, which is only a title. A 3 is the same as a 32. Theres nothing more "Secret" about Scottish Masonry till 33rd tier, so quit making it seem so mysterious. A Master mason is a Master mason till he proves he deserves 33.
There is literally almost no difference between a 32nd-33rd degree and a 3rd degree mason
Maybe not on paper, but there are a lot fewer of them, which is absolutely relevant to this discussion. There are TONS of Master Masons. There are very few 33rd degree masons. Most people probably know a Master Mason without even realizing it, making membership into OES pretty easy for women.
Theres nothing more "Secret" about Scottish Masonry till 33rd tier, so quit making it seem so mysterious
I don't mean in the sense of what the general public knows about the rituals, I mean in the sense of how they operate. I'm not trying to portray them as sinister either.
Ironically, the only Freemason group I have any problem with is OES, despite my defending them here, and it's because I feel like their existence serves as an excuse and deflection to prevent me (a woman) from ever experiencing real Freemasonry. I looked into joining OES and decided it wasn't worth it.
A Master mason is a Master mason till he proves he deserves 33
A Master Mason is a Master Mason even after he proves he deserves 33.
I had never done any research on these things until looking into tavistock after FBI anon mentioned it. At the end of the day it's about creating loyal soldiers. Obviously there are leaders within the orgs. And most of the time the people are born into this life. I actually have a friend who's family would normally fit all of the criteria. He actually grew up w one of our presidents and his uncle was someone everyone would know. He is on the board of an institute in DC and has to be around these DC types even though he doesn't think like them, doesn't fit it. I'm going to see him later this week and just flat out ask what he knows or has heard about those groups. I'll let you know if he looks at me crazy or tells me what he knows.
Note: This Comet Pizza place has no mention of Pizza on the outside of the building. Odd, what do you think. No pizza signs in from of a pizza joint, just the big Comet sign. Do you know of a pizza place without pizza signs I don't.
I see (clockwise from left) green, yellow, white, blue.
Compare with this version here: http://jewishfoodexperience.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Comet-storefront-crop-5-677x302.jpg
This is exactly the same ordering as the OES star. The original accompanying red liquor sign provides the red, although it's on the opposite side that you'd expect if it were a direct representation of the star.
Wow. It took me a while to see that, because the colors are not visible in daylight photos. Good find.
i notice that the colors/elements on the sign are not in configured in a typical tetragrammatonal order.
http://www.bcholmes.org/wicca/element_exercise.html
the order ef the easter star is going bankrupt in america, rapid declines in membership among local chapters. i do indeed think its coincidence that these colors match up. nothing special
The chief appeal of OES is and always has been women who are interested in Freemasonry but were barred from participation by UGLE (the true biggest branch of Freemasonry that oversees most lodges in the US and UK).
The real reason OES is on the decline is that Continental Freemasonry (i.e. the form common in mainland Europe) is finally gaining traction over here, which lets women be full freemasons.
i am a freemason, and the OES chapter that operates in North Jersey near me did a large presentation about declining memberships and assets, and high avg ages of members being in the 60s . Its just an unsustainable organization
Okay so some new info to pass along, apparently you must already be a master mason before you can become a member of OES (i'm assuming it's a graduate lodge for masters only) and as a woman you cannot join unless you are essentially with a master mason. So it wouldn't matter what lodge they came from it's a master only club
You're skewing the purpose of the OES quite a bit.
First of all, it isn't the "largest branch of Freemasonry in existence." It's associated with UGLE Freemasonry (the actual largest branch of Freemasonry in existence), but it isn't even considered Freemasonry technically.
It's not geared towards Master Masons at all and membership is almost entirely women. It's a group that basically exists as a way for women to participate in pseudo-Masonic ritual while not breaking UGLE's "Landmark" that women are not allowed to be Freemasons.
It is highly suspected that Bill Clinton is a Freemason from Prince Hall but there's never been proof however he was groomed young in a Masonry school for youth (essentially kids destined to become members when of age) and graduated highest of class
I find a lot of sources that claim he is a Freemason but none that he is a Prince Hall Freemason. Prince Hall Freemasons are almost entirely black. The branch was founded in response to the fact a lot of UGLE lodges kept out black people. I don't see why Clinton would be a member.
The entire Street is run by these cats, it's not out of the realm of possibility at all that the previous owner of that building was a member of OES too
Oscar Gildenhorn, 91, who operated Comet Liquors in Washington from 1940 until he retired in 1965, died of cancer Dec. 8 at Georgetown University Hospital.
Mr. Gildenhorn was born in what now is Poland. He came to the United States and settled in Washington in 1920.
In addition to his liquor business, he invested in real estate and managed other investments.
He served on the board of directors and the admissions committee of the Hebrew Home of Greater Washington. He was a member of the Benjamin Franklin Masonic Lodge, the Amity Club and Adas Israel Congregation in Washington.
Since retiring, Mr. Gildenhorn had lived in Washington and in Pompano Beach, Fla.
His wife, Celia Koval Gildenhorn, died in 1977. Survivors include two children, Blanche Speisman of Chevy Chase and Joseph B. Gildenhorn, who is the U.S. ambassador to Switzerland; five grandchildren; and six great-grandchildren.
noElbittowers ago
YES! This thread is on point.
I've been doing a lot of reading on masonry, and stumbled upon the name of mason Pierre L'Enfant, on an article about freemason "myths" critiquing Dan Brown's book "the Lost Symbol." Haven't read myself, but am now very curious. Article: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/09/090915-lost-symbol-dan-brown-freemasons-book.html
Anyway, from this article I wondered.... who is Frenchman Pierre L'Enfant? What is up with all these French names that sound like infant? Anyway, that is all speculation, but I found this man's involvement in building D.C.during the time of George Washington interesting. Thought it might be relevant because of a thread (can't find it now) where people are discussing how D.C. is built in relation to pizzagate.
https://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/wash/lenfant.htm
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/a-brief-history-of-pierre-lenfant-and-washington-dc-39487784/
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/l-enfant.htm
https://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/wash/lenfant.htm
AndoMc87 ago
Antony Kidman's MK Ultra programming was structured on an OES pentagram https://cathyfox.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/4a.jpg Antony Kidman
AndoMc87 ago
Antony Kidman Sydney Uni ritual abuse with OES pentsgram: https://cathyfox.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/4b.jpg
connornm777 ago
Yeah, let's not focus too much on the symbols and cult stuff. It usually doesn't go anywhere and just makes us look crazy. Focus on connections between people, events, places, ect.
MikeT0reno ago
Lynda Jo Kinder-(Child in german)
SIMONBARROW ago
Because the sign is old - predating the existence of Comet Ping Pong by many years - it has nothing to do with Alefantis other than the fact that he chose it. This could just have been because the assets of the former Comet business were apparently sold off around 2005. Alefantis would presumably have seen it advertised for sale at the time he was thinking of starting the business that became Comet Ping Pong. I think he just went with the name because it's a great sign.
Rigg5 ago
The sign was re purposed from an existing liquor store in the community. The owner died at 80 something and he snatched it up.
AndoMc87 ago
That's the same order Dr Kidman was in, he wore a pendant with the star and each point was red, green, blue, yellow and black. Research Fiona Barnett, she was abused by him as a child
ThorTheWonderful ago
Good we have a WW2 connection. We need to research this guys family history.
I assume he migrated from Germany but was he or is family from Germany or Bolshevik Russia?? I think this is all to do with Bolshevik infiltration of western societies. The N.W.O. was to be the take down of the west since their plan to conquer the west failed due to being interrupted by Hitler.
ThorTheWonderful ago
I didn't notice the colors but I did notice the crescent moon and star is like the Islamic flag.
Io_0I ago
I also immediately thought of freemasons but I seemed to recall that the crescent moon and star were always linked with the Shriners.
Doing a quick google of "Shriners Clinton" I found this
tavistock33 ago
I don't think the star is solely shiners though, you see it plenty throughout masonic artwork, it's more attributed to a deity than a fraternity, which shriners and freemasons openly worship.
FredDurst ago
This is a shill thread. The tittle says you guys not we.
existentialenso ago
He also says blatantly factually untrue things. OES is a Masonic-affiliated organization, but members aren't considered Freemasons. The organization is not the largest Masonic branch (though it is associated with UGLE, which is). The vast, vast majority of its members are women who wanted to experience Masonic culture but were barred by UGLE's prohibition of women being members.
It's a cop out way for Freemasonry to deal with the women who want to join. Continential Freemasonry (which dominates Europe outside of the UK) just allows women to join as regular "brothers."
tavistock33 ago
It cleary says right here on wikipedia literally the very first thing that comes up when you look up the name Order of the Eastern Star. Do you even bother trying to look into anything before blatantly spewing nonsense?
tavistock33 ago
"The Order of the Eastern Star is a Freemasonic appendant body open to both men and women. It was established in 1850 by lawyer and educator Rob Morris, a noted Freemason. The order is based on teachings from the Bible,[1] but is open to people of all religious beliefs. It has approximately 10,000 chapters in twenty countries and approximately 500,000 members under its General Grand Chapter.
Part of a series on Freemasonry Square compasses.svg Overview[hide] Grand Lodge Masonic lodge Masonic lodge officers Grand Master Prince Hall Freemasonry Regular Masonic jurisdiction Continental Freemasonry History[show] Masonic bodies[show] Views of Masonry[show] People and places[show] Other related articles[show] By country[show] v t e Members of the Order are aged 18 and older; men must be Master Masons and women must have specific relationships with Masons. Originally, a woman would have to be the daughter, widow, wife, sister, or mother of a master Mason, but the Order now allows other relatives[2] as well as allowing Job's Daughters, Rainbow Girls, Members of the Organization of Triangles (NY only) and members of the Constellation of Junior Stars (NY only) to become members when of age."
Care to try again?
existentialenso ago
How does this contradict anything I've said? If anything, it supports it.
As I said:
The description of its membership is decontexualized, but it supports what I said: that it's a way for women to experience Masonic culture without actually being made Freemasons. You don't experience Masonic culture without Masons present (the men). But it exists mostly for the benefit of the women.
I actually dislike the OES, because I view it as a cop out way for freemasonry to deal with the sexist nature of their blanket ban on female membership.
tombomb ago
Good point, FredDurst. The OP's use of "you all missed," in the title, instead of choosing to use "we missed," makes it sound like the OP is not one of us!
tavistock33 ago
Or maybe, just maybe it's cause i'm new to contributing to this investigation, and have been following on the outside and noticed "you" missed this lead. I wasn't a member till about 6 hours ago. It was certainly not meant to be taken derogatorily .
tavistock33 ago
The star and crescent seems to revolve around the deity known as Lampadephoros, one of the strongest moon goddesses. She's known to take 3 forms however I recall Hillary Clinton giving praise to Mother Moon. Keep in mind this addendum branch of Masonry accustoms incumbent women into the OES as it being the ONLY way a woman could be a member. Bill Clinton is a suspected Mason, it's not out of the realm of possibility they are members of that Fraternity.
vonbacon ago
The N.W.O is real all the occult shit is real all of it. It's all a jewish conspiracy to rule the world man. educate yourself on the true enemy. This is just the tip of the iceberg folks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndoHcFhFOB4
ThorTheWonderful ago
There are two Jewish groups. Hitler tried to separate the Bolshevik Jews who had taken over the education, banks and politics in Germany and the rest of Europe. So he knew there was two groups. All the holocaust propaganda was perpetrated by the Bolsheviks. The original plan was to "ruin" the west and then invade as revealed by released documents after the fall of USSR, and then invade Europe with the help of Roosevelt who was also a communist. Hitler and his Nazi's were innocent! And so are the Jews of Germany. Thats why Hitler made a resettlement agreement with Palestine for the Jews to live in Jerusalem while still having camps for the ones he couldn't vett. It is natural when you are war to put certain potential enemies in camps for both national security and for their own protection if they are innocent. The fake gas story was cooked up by the Bolsheviks after the war. No evidence was ever provided to this day that supports that story and it is outlawed in 16 countries to question it. Actually there was 2 more recent imprisonments. 1 90 year old Nazi man (I am surprised they spared any) sentenced again for holocaust denial and the same for an old lady.
ThorTheWonderful ago
A lot of Jews also went to prison, most given life sentences for holocaust denial and some just vanished.
SpikyAube ago
I can't believe it's real. I mean, I know it is, now, I can see it is. What are the chances that there's been all that 'conspiracy theory' stuff out there all these years about this stuff, and that ALL these things people have found recently are just coincidence and totally innocent? The chances are infinitesimally small. This isn't like one of those things where people read into everything and connect dots that aren't there and don't make sense to connect, while leaving out all the other contradictory pertinent information. This is just, wherever you turn, whatever thread you follow, expecting to find something that makes it all go away, makes sense in the context of the world you used to think existed, you only find more unimaginable coincidences and intolerable horror. I'm scared. What else is true?! Are they all really reptilians from another dimension? Who knows anymore!
CarriedbyGrace ago
These demons have been around for thousands of years. I have researched the powers that should never be for 40 years. They are hard to get to bc they surround themselves with people in power. People in power get there not to help this country but to break the law and get away with it. Who do we go to when the people who are supposed to protect are the abusers? (rhetorical) The difference between what has happened in the past versus what is happening now is the courageous efforts of citizen researchers/journalists and good Samaritans doing everything they can to protect the children and expose/stop this evil.
This is an active situation. Keep in mind that somewhere in this country, somewhere in the world...NYC, Lost Wages, Hellyweird, the UK, Singapore...children are being abused, sacrificed, consumed. It is imperative that the non satanically induced do everything they can to bring this order down, imho.
srayzie ago
I agree. If they are the darkness, we are the light
vonbacon ago
I know man I find the most disturbing thing is what happened to adolf hitler. It's absolutely scary the kind of power they weld to condition people into believing he is literally evil incarnate and yet he was the one who was fight against this jewish evil.
srayzie ago
Wtf
tavistock33 ago
An experimental electronic group known as Matmos performed at the Hollywood Masonic Hall within the "Forever Cemetery", who have been known to play alongside, non other than, Abrina Abramovic herself, who we all know is tied to the podestas. http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/26/entertainment/la-et-ms-review-matmos-opens-perceptual-pathways-at-masonic-hall-20130226
Obvious occult symbology is obvious http://www.trbimg.com/img-5124285b/turbine/la-et-ms-matmos-remixed-by-soft-pink-truth-in--001/567/567x422
http://livemusic.fm/sites/default/files/imagecache/node_thumb/remote_images/-userserve-ak.last.fm-serve-_-35920-Matmos.jpg
Some of that performance art
Freemasonsrus ago
It seems all the Illuminati/Freemason stuff is what makes the most sense w this being a global issue even though we have only been obsessing on DC. The supposed Illuminati HQ's as well. All of it makes more sense under those umbrellas. The interpersonal/business relationships that are all at the upper echelons of society. Banks, Big Business, Vatican, politics, Universities, MSM, "Climate Scientists" etc.
tavistock33 ago
This is exactly what I was thinking. Freemasons are known for using shell companies, for example IHOP on free pancake day is a recruitment day for Masons. And the OES is the largest branch that exists, and it's literally exclusive to 33rd degree members.
existentialenso ago
You are continuing to spread blatant falsehoods.
The largest Masonic organization is UGLE. OES is associated with them, but the OES aren't even considered Freemasonry, just a Masonic-affiliated organization.
You don't have to be a 33rd degree mason. You have to know a 3rd degree mason. Very big difference, especially since "craft" Freemasonry (the first through third degrees) are a lot less secretive. "Master Masons" are 3rd degree masons, despite having 30 degrees above them. The idea isn't that they have "mastered" freemasonry in its entirety but rather an allegory for the master/journeyman-style freemasonry guilds. A "master" is just one who knows enough to teach others but can be someone who is just past that threshold.
The Scottish Rites (4th through 33rd) are a lot more secretive and exclusive.
tavistock33 ago
Mostly all masonic lodges follow the Scottish Rites (4-32) but only 33 can be gained through the actual rite itself from my understanding.
existentialenso ago
Mostly all masonic lodges recognize the Scottish Rites. But in UGLE Freemasonry, there is a distinction between blue/craft lodges (1-3) and Scottish Rite lodges (4-33). Under Continental Freemasonry (which isn't popular in the US or UK), yes, it all happens in the same craft/blue lodge.
Also, all degrees are only gained through rites, both in Craft and Scottish Rites in both UGLE and Continental Freemasonry.
tavistock33 ago
You are correct and that is my mistake about needing to be a 33rd degree, I was mistaken. However
There is literally almost no difference between a 32nd-33rd degree and a 3rd degree mason it has even been explicitly said by people who are actually scottish rite masons the only difference is in the title. The only top secret part of masonry is the 33rd degree because it is only through the actual Scottish Rites you can achieve that status. Literally every other form of Masonry goes to 32, which is only a title. A 3 is the same as a 32. Theres nothing more "Secret" about Scottish Masonry till 33rd tier, so quit making it seem so mysterious. A Master mason is a Master mason till he proves he deserves 33.
existentialenso ago
Maybe not on paper, but there are a lot fewer of them, which is absolutely relevant to this discussion. There are TONS of Master Masons. There are very few 33rd degree masons. Most people probably know a Master Mason without even realizing it, making membership into OES pretty easy for women.
I don't mean in the sense of what the general public knows about the rituals, I mean in the sense of how they operate. I'm not trying to portray them as sinister either.
Ironically, the only Freemason group I have any problem with is OES, despite my defending them here, and it's because I feel like their existence serves as an excuse and deflection to prevent me (a woman) from ever experiencing real Freemasonry. I looked into joining OES and decided it wasn't worth it.
A Master Mason is a Master Mason even after he proves he deserves 33.
Freemasonsrus ago
I had never done any research on these things until looking into tavistock after FBI anon mentioned it. At the end of the day it's about creating loyal soldiers. Obviously there are leaders within the orgs. And most of the time the people are born into this life. I actually have a friend who's family would normally fit all of the criteria. He actually grew up w one of our presidents and his uncle was someone everyone would know. He is on the board of an institute in DC and has to be around these DC types even though he doesn't think like them, doesn't fit it. I'm going to see him later this week and just flat out ask what he knows or has heard about those groups. I'll let you know if he looks at me crazy or tells me what he knows.
SlutsAgainstSlavery ago
At first I thought what you were saying was too mad to be true... then I saw this: http://freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com/2011/03/march-1st-ihop-national-pancake-day.html
tavistock33 ago
The only reason I knew was from first hand experience, they hand out nifty little flyers on how to join Freemasonry
youhavetogoback123 ago
Note: This Comet Pizza place has no mention of Pizza on the outside of the building. Odd, what do you think. No pizza signs in from of a pizza joint, just the big Comet sign. Do you know of a pizza place without pizza signs I don't.
ghtdak ago
Wow. Brilliant!!!
tavistock33 ago
Never thought of that either, intriguing
PIZZAGATECALENDAR ago
This, my friends, is an excellent point. Kudos.
siriansun ago
Someone had also mentioned the other day how there's a pink lip on top of the door's roof. Looks like a clitoris...
greenlentils ago
I see (clockwise from left) green, yellow, white, blue. Compare with this version here: http://jewishfoodexperience.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Comet-storefront-crop-5-677x302.jpg This is exactly the same ordering as the OES star. The original accompanying red liquor sign provides the red, although it's on the opposite side that you'd expect if it were a direct representation of the star.
tavistock33 ago
Do you happen to know what degree Oscar Gildenhorn is ranked? Is he a 33rd?
greenlentils ago
No idea.
Zir9000 ago
Wow. It took me a while to see that, because the colors are not visible in daylight photos. Good find. i notice that the colors/elements on the sign are not in configured in a typical tetragrammatonal order. http://www.bcholmes.org/wicca/element_exercise.html
zlomsocz ago
the order ef the easter star is going bankrupt in america, rapid declines in membership among local chapters. i do indeed think its coincidence that these colors match up. nothing special
existentialenso ago
The chief appeal of OES is and always has been women who are interested in Freemasonry but were barred from participation by UGLE (the true biggest branch of Freemasonry that oversees most lodges in the US and UK).
The real reason OES is on the decline is that Continental Freemasonry (i.e. the form common in mainland Europe) is finally gaining traction over here, which lets women be full freemasons.
tavistock33 ago
I literally cannot find anything relating to bankruptcy, care to share the source?
zlomsocz ago
i am a freemason, and the OES chapter that operates in North Jersey near me did a large presentation about declining memberships and assets, and high avg ages of members being in the 60s . Its just an unsustainable organization
tavistock33 ago
Okay so some new info to pass along, apparently you must already be a master mason before you can become a member of OES (i'm assuming it's a graduate lodge for masters only) and as a woman you cannot join unless you are essentially with a master mason. So it wouldn't matter what lodge they came from it's a master only club
existentialenso ago
You're skewing the purpose of the OES quite a bit.
First of all, it isn't the "largest branch of Freemasonry in existence." It's associated with UGLE Freemasonry (the actual largest branch of Freemasonry in existence), but it isn't even considered Freemasonry technically.
It's not geared towards Master Masons at all and membership is almost entirely women. It's a group that basically exists as a way for women to participate in pseudo-Masonic ritual while not breaking UGLE's "Landmark" that women are not allowed to be Freemasons.
tavistock33 ago
It is highly suspected that Bill Clinton is a Freemason from Prince Hall but there's never been proof however he was groomed young in a Masonry school for youth (essentially kids destined to become members when of age) and graduated highest of class
existentialenso ago
I find a lot of sources that claim he is a Freemason but none that he is a Prince Hall Freemason. Prince Hall Freemasons are almost entirely black. The branch was founded in response to the fact a lot of UGLE lodges kept out black people. I don't see why Clinton would be a member.
tavistock33 ago
The entire Street is run by these cats, it's not out of the realm of possibility at all that the previous owner of that building was a member of OES too
Craic_Cocaine ago
But the original Comet Liquors was nowhere near Connecticut Ave NW
fartyshorts ago
There's a copy of the article from 2005 somewhere. Seemed to be the same place and DEFINITELY the same sign.
It also said the sign is an art deco sign from the 1930s. Probably moved since then?
EDIT: Sorry, the sign was from the 40s and bought by Alefantis. this seems to prove it: http://jewishfoodexperience.com/comet-liquors-deli-brightened-neighborhood/
greenlentils ago
original owner, Oscar Gildenhorn, was a member of the Benjamin Franklin Masonic Lodge.
Millennial_Falcon ago
source?
6992397? ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1991/12/10/cecil-hobbs-dies/227dff7d-bc79-48a4-9cf0-b66ae9e30eb1/?utm_term=.f1302f455aec