1's and 0's would be just the same as a well designed building.
there are buildings that can house a whole family and there are buildings that are dumb art sculptures that cost 1000x more than they are worth.
ill even go on to say that there are games that can help people learn as everyone learns differently, games are a great way to simulate the "doing" learning method in a safe environment.
I think the point is more that you're paying for information, which can be infinitely and cheaply copied (like a real life Star Trek replicator). Information does not work the same as physical goods, and the market price of information is $0
but that is also unsustainable. who in their right mind would spend time making those things when they get nothing out of it? that is why copyright laws and intellectual property were created, to give business to intelligence.
You're misunderstanding. Of course people should be paid for their work. But the correct thing is to pay them for the creation of the product (e.g. IndieGoGo / SubscribeStar / donations / bounties / etc.) That sort of patronage is morally and economically correct, and it has been very common in history:
In the history of art, arts patronage refers to the support that kings, popes, and the wealthy have provided to artists such as musicians, painters, and sculptors.
As for copyrights and patents, perhaps they started out with good intentions but they have morphed into an abomination. They have become so heavily abused to the point that they are stifling the actual creators (and only benefiting the giant megacorps). Copyrights last for the life of the creator plus 70 years after their death. That's completely absurd, and obviously is done to benefit corporations, not the creators.
And because computers and the internet exists, you fundamentally cannot stop the copying of information (which is falsely called "piracy"). And the internet meme culture relies upon a lack of copyright. Copyrights and patents are a severely outdated idea which does not work at all in the modern era and needs to be abolished.
this is a well constructed retort to his discounting of open source software.
it essentially what happens when the work of others can be built upon at no cost to anyone to do so. It is a communalistic system that is not bogged down by the material nature of scarcity in this world for which things like communism are doomed to fail.
When your work is added but costs nothing to you to do so, and you benefit from the work of others, adding to the pile seems fair and even though only 1 out of a million might do so, their work only adds to eachothers.
Yes, communism has only ever worked in two situations:
Small tribes of people who know and trust each other. This works because there is punishment for cheating, and everybody's survival depends on helping each other out. A family can be viewed as a small communistic tribe.
Information (e.g. open source, science, etc.) because the work only needs to be done once (and then everybody benefits), rather than repeated for every physical product. So the costs and incentives are completely different.
Some tribes have been communistic (both historically and in modern day communes). Of course all tribes weren't communistic, but the point is that communism worked for at least some of them.
Well of course they had a loose hierarchy, but the point is that all goods were shared freely among the tribe, not owned by individuals. And if somebody caught a deer, for example, everybody would get equal share of it, even the people who didn't contribute.
Traditionally, the San were an egalitarian society. Although they had hereditary chiefs, their authority was limited. The San made decisions among themselves by consensus, with women treated as relative equals. San economy was a gift economy, based on giving each other gifts regularly rather than on trading or purchasing goods and services.
There were some Native American tribes as well that were similar. But like I said, that only works in very small tightly knit groups, it does not scale at all. So it will always lose to a market based society, which scales spectacularly well.
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RIchard_Gristle_II ago
Anyone that gives CDPR money should be gassed.
Killnigs3 ago
McFluffy ago
1's and 0's would be just the same as a well designed building.
there are buildings that can house a whole family and there are buildings that are dumb art sculptures that cost 1000x more than they are worth.
ill even go on to say that there are games that can help people learn as everyone learns differently, games are a great way to simulate the "doing" learning method in a safe environment.
but this cyperdong 2077 is just trash.
Mystiker ago
I think the point is more that you're paying for information, which can be infinitely and cheaply copied (like a real life Star Trek replicator). Information does not work the same as physical goods, and the market price of information is $0
McFluffy ago
but that is also unsustainable. who in their right mind would spend time making those things when they get nothing out of it? that is why copyright laws and intellectual property were created, to give business to intelligence.
Mystiker ago
You're misunderstanding. Of course people should be paid for their work. But the correct thing is to pay them for the creation of the product (e.g. IndieGoGo / SubscribeStar / donations / bounties / etc.) That sort of patronage is morally and economically correct, and it has been very common in history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronage
As for copyrights and patents, perhaps they started out with good intentions but they have morphed into an abomination. They have become so heavily abused to the point that they are stifling the actual creators (and only benefiting the giant megacorps). Copyrights last for the life of the creator plus 70 years after their death. That's completely absurd, and obviously is done to benefit corporations, not the creators.
And because computers and the internet exists, you fundamentally cannot stop the copying of information (which is falsely called "piracy"). And the internet meme culture relies upon a lack of copyright. Copyrights and patents are a severely outdated idea which does not work at all in the modern era and needs to be abolished.
Killnigs3 ago
this is a well constructed retort to his discounting of open source software.
it essentially what happens when the work of others can be built upon at no cost to anyone to do so. It is a communalistic system that is not bogged down by the material nature of scarcity in this world for which things like communism are doomed to fail.
When your work is added but costs nothing to you to do so, and you benefit from the work of others, adding to the pile seems fair and even though only 1 out of a million might do so, their work only adds to eachothers.
Mystiker ago
Yes, communism has only ever worked in two situations:
Small tribes of people who know and trust each other. This works because there is punishment for cheating, and everybody's survival depends on helping each other out. A family can be viewed as a small communistic tribe.
Information (e.g. open source, science, etc.) because the work only needs to be done once (and then everybody benefits), rather than repeated for every physical product. So the costs and incentives are completely different.
Killnigs3 ago
Tribes are not communistic anyways they are communalistic and tribal.
Mystiker ago
Some tribes have been communistic (both historically and in modern day communes). Of course all tribes weren't communistic, but the point is that communism worked for at least some of them.
Killnigs3 ago
Meh no tribes anywhere ever dont have a hierarchy
Mystiker ago
Well of course they had a loose hierarchy, but the point is that all goods were shared freely among the tribe, not owned by individuals. And if somebody caught a deer, for example, everybody would get equal share of it, even the people who didn't contribute.
A good example of that is the Bushmen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_people#Society
There were some Native American tribes as well that were similar. But like I said, that only works in very small tightly knit groups, it does not scale at all. So it will always lose to a market based society, which scales spectacularly well.
Killnigs3 ago
yeah but the chief or the shaman be getting them antlers bro