Has anyone stopped to think that organizations like red cross and UNICEF may have done something to these people that makes them hate red cross this much? No. Everyone just says fuck them and let them die.
I seem to remember Haiti got a lot of money that was meant to rebuild homes and it ended up not doing much for the people who had to live there. Didn't they end up building a soccer field with money that was meant to rebuild homes somewhere too?
I'm not saying it's right to refuse all aid, I'm saying there might be a deeper issue other than religion here.
That's because true Satanism is mostly the groundwork for secular altruism. It stands on the foundation of mutual respect and self accountability.
No self-loving Satanist would put others down just for the sake of feeling superior, unless they are prepared to defend their point and deal with the consequences.
Source: used to be an ironic Satanist before it got tiring and simply went back to calling myself atheist.
Jesus was a prophet in Islam, but his story is much different from the Christian story. Jesus was never crucified according to Islam. I was always taught that Judas was made to look like Jesus and that he was the one to be crucified, while Jesus ascended to heaven.
As to your second remark, in Arabic "Allahuakbar" means "God is great." I am obviously not from Syria, so I guess either A- they do not understand the negative connotation behind the saying or B- they could be part of a stupid mob as you said.
I actually like going to some religious services just for the music, so while I'm not a terribly religious person either way, I like learning all about this kinda stuff.
Yet, again, we have another suppressed story unreported in the Western Media.
Hearing about the rejection of alms given under the symbol of the Red Cross does not fit the narrative of peaceful people coming to Europe for peaceful co-existence and acceptance of liberal values/pluralism.
The only satanists I've met have been in metal bands, and while they've been nice dudes, I couldn't help but think the Satanism was part of their act. Where have you been meeting these "true Satanists"?
For the record I am not a satanist, but have read parts of the LaVeyan bible and have friends who are kind of like "Christmas and Easter" type followers... Except of satanism.
You'll find some serious people who also do the ritual and magic stuff, but it's more because they personally find meaning in it rather than it being a serious requirement of the religion.
There was a 5 train with capacity of max 500 refugees, but there was more than 7000-8000 waiting to travel to Serbia...
Latter that night Macedonian authority send more than 30 bus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHjRfB_tFeM
And this is situation latter that day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbQ2EZ-k5Ak
.....
Macedonia is small county, can`t handle 2000-3000 refuges every day... There was a not problem before that. Last mount there was over 40000 refuges who cross a border....
Actual satanism is mostly about being true to yourself and enjoying everything that life has to offer. Basically if an opportunity is offered, take it.
All the goat blood pentagram shit is mostly middle school kids that think they're cool. Real satanists dont bother with the ritual stuff because they acknowledge its all metaphorical worship without a true diety.
It gets a bad rap for its name but really all Satanists are are people who reject stupidity and embrace self-empowerment.
Frankly, the church of Satan has nothing to do with the Christian concept of Satan, you pay your 300 bucks, and you get a little card saying "hey, I'm a gullible idiot who just paid 300 bucks to believe in humanism as a philosophy for life." For all their talk of intelligence, it seems pretty stupid to me. Don't get me wrong, the organizers are genius, people ship them money and its tax free, but no. I will stick to atheism, thank you very much, no one will try to take my hard earned cash for believing in nothing but that which can be proven...
Ah, the good old voat solution. Can always expect someone here to suggest murdering Muslims or brown people. Almost no matter what the thread is about.
This is true: Muslims are human garbage who earn the disgust of civilized people by following a violent-rapist-pedophile ideology suitable only for rabid animals.
I didn't say it was my opinion. It's not my opinion. It is an observation that there are people who clearly dislike Christianity, and it speaks volumes about that reputation if they are willing to decline aid. It is an objective fact that Christianity is not well reputed by them. How is that even up for debate?
Most civilized people aren't well reputed by Muslims: they consider basic human rights such as free speech, religious freedom and homosexuality to be a crime against Allah that is punishable by death for Allah. Allahu-Akbar!
I don't think the opinions of fuzzy-faced cavemen, of human garbage who consider bashing and raping woman and pedophilia and sex slavery to be moral and who believe in dust devils and flying horses, to be of any significance.
My dog enjoys eating his vomit as much as Wagyu beef and that doesn't speak volumes about anything meaningful either.
While one can certainly argue that cross, star of david and star and crescent can all be seen as a sign that represents oppression in this case that argument is invalid. My guess is that they are refusing help because they want to move of from Serbia ( for the record this video is from Serbia ) further north to Western Europe. There is plenty of videos all over the place showing that they are refusing any form of humanitarian aid even without red cross on boxes and only demand unobstructed pass trough Balkan.
My guess is that refugees know that if refugee camps are formed and than people are screened trough a reasonable process most of them will not make it trough. I seriously don't understand why is EU not doing this. They did it during the war in Ex-Yugoslavia and it worked great, well not for everyone but, but people that really needed asylum got it. I say this because I lived through similar situation like these refugees and know for fact that certain percentage of these people that we see on the videos are not there because they are afraid of prosecution, but because they want to fuck it up for honest folks who truly want nothing more than to raise their families in peace.
This makes vastly more sense. They seem to be kicking up a fuss well before they can see small minutiae like the logo, anyway, so for that to be the explanation the video would have to be missing a decent chunk of events.
This is a pretty good point. If they are willing to go hungry than to take food form a cross marked box, how willing are they going to be to abide by laws that go against their religion? how willing will they be to have a female boss? to pay taxes to a government that provides abortion? I have no problem with immigrants, I have a problem with people wanting to come to a country and not assimilate. to the culture.
Fuck them in that case. I as a Christian would gladly take aid from moslems, buddhists, atheists or even satanists if I needed it and they were offering. That's not righteousness, that's just some fucked-up pride.
It isn't righteousness. They don't have a choice. They are the 'Slaves of Allah'. Allah has ordered that they conquer the world under his banner. It is against the will of Allah to accept non-Muslim symbols. That's idolatry. They believe they will literally spend time in hell for being disobedient to Allah if they do not protest Christian symbols in every fashion.
Atheist preaching is more annoying than Jehovah's Witness and Mormon preaching put together. At least they think they're saving your soul. Atheists just want to pretend they're smarter/better than you.
You know, a few years ago I made a new friend and after a few days when he heard I was Christian, he said to me "You're a Christian? I thought you were smart!".
Well it turned out he had a very blown-out-of-proportions image of Christians (basically that we're all Westboro Baptist Church or Ku Klux Klan members) and as he got to know me, I think that image changed. And obviously some points I believe he disagrees with, but after honest discussion we at least see each other's rationale and can agree to disagree.
We since have become good friends, and while he's still an atheist, I'm pretty sure he doesn't think all Christians are stupid bigots stuck in hundred-years-old thinking anymore.
My point being: I understand why you think that. Many people do, and I see many reasons for it - The crusades, Westboro Baptist Church, and the simple fact of Christian beliefs [on abortion, on homosexuality, etc] seeming foreign and strange to many people of today's world.
But what if some things you think about us are false? I think if you sat down for an honest discussion with me or any other christian and asked a few questions, you would change your opinion. But that's up to you, I'm not going to force any arguments onto you - especially not over the internet.
I wish you all the worst. You are clearly deserving of no better. You have no faith in humanity because you are weak so you fill that void with faith in magic.
I'd just put it on the ground next to them. If the don't take it because of their religion, so be it. They'll probably die feeling righteous and the world can see how ridiculous this is when the supplies are 2 feet from them,
Package it in Christian imagery, really just lather it on. The door's where they swam over. I'm sorry Europe's not literally the hellhole they came from.
ServiceStud ago
This is misreported but I'm up for the hatefest.
HorseSizedDuck ago
Their shithole will now get government funding.
Tialah ago
Has anyone stopped to think that organizations like red cross and UNICEF may have done something to these people that makes them hate red cross this much? No. Everyone just says fuck them and let them die.
I seem to remember Haiti got a lot of money that was meant to rebuild homes and it ended up not doing much for the people who had to live there. Didn't they end up building a soccer field with money that was meant to rebuild homes somewhere too?
I'm not saying it's right to refuse all aid, I'm saying there might be a deeper issue other than religion here.
gosso920 ago
Some problems just solve themselves.
sillymanilly ago
These are not refugees. They are economic and religious migrants who are going to seriously fuck up any place that takes them in.
ThePieAssassin ago
They're free to go back home and wait for one with a crescent on it though.
magicron ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGbNAB8NMb0
magicron ago
it's more like a plus sign. if they still don't accept that reasoning, just draw a red x through it so that it becomes an asterisk.
tyeis ago
What is the context here?
ScientiaPotentia ago
They are here to conquer for Islam, they can't do that under a Christian flag. It's Haraam
Kaizervonmaanen ago
Yeah, like Richard Ramirez. Extremely nice guy with pure satanic morals.
TheTrigger ago
That's because true Satanism is mostly the groundwork for secular altruism. It stands on the foundation of mutual respect and self accountability.
No self-loving Satanist would put others down just for the sake of feeling superior, unless they are prepared to defend their point and deal with the consequences.
Source: used to be an ironic Satanist before it got tiring and simply went back to calling myself atheist.
ProgHog231 ago
Too bad for most of you that the story appears to be bogus.
Mr_Wizard ago
The red cross part seems to be wrong, they still refused aid in the form of food and clean water.
k0s ago
Im assuming none of them are trying to goto switzerland then.
Maskedsaturn ago
I hail from a muslim family.
Jesus was a prophet in Islam, but his story is much different from the Christian story. Jesus was never crucified according to Islam. I was always taught that Judas was made to look like Jesus and that he was the one to be crucified, while Jesus ascended to heaven.
As to your second remark, in Arabic "Allahuakbar" means "God is great." I am obviously not from Syria, so I guess either A- they do not understand the negative connotation behind the saying or B- they could be part of a stupid mob as you said.
tork87 ago
Fuck 'em then.
Send them right back too.
Sergei_Potemkin ago
So no issues with Muslim extremists in this crowd, eh?
OneTrueCube ago
No worries bud :D
I actually like going to some religious services just for the music, so while I'm not a terribly religious person either way, I like learning all about this kinda stuff.
Cheers :D
novictim ago
Yet, again, we have another suppressed story unreported in the Western Media.
Hearing about the rejection of alms given under the symbol of the Red Cross does not fit the narrative of peaceful people coming to Europe for peaceful co-existence and acceptance of liberal values/pluralism.
Chompchompers ago
Would anyone explain why they don't like the red cross thing so much?
HowieCameUnglued ago
The only satanists I've met have been in metal bands, and while they've been nice dudes, I couldn't help but think the Satanism was part of their act. Where have you been meeting these "true Satanists"?
OneTrueCube ago
Fair enough
For the record I am not a satanist, but have read parts of the LaVeyan bible and have friends who are kind of like "Christmas and Easter" type followers... Except of satanism.
You'll find some serious people who also do the ritual and magic stuff, but it's more because they personally find meaning in it rather than it being a serious requirement of the religion.
ginx2666 ago
Die in a fire you fucking muslims then. The nerve of some vermin - spit on helping hand...
Tumbtack ago
That's because it applies to every group.
jackdaritter ago
That's... a weird place to take it.
Government_AI ago
A few more videos:
This is situation that morning on Gevgelija railway station https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BprAh1ejrY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOtnIPuKsfA People were refused AID because they were angry. More then a 4000 people waiting for crossing the border. There was a lot of children. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8xkYZNsKUY
Here is a situation after refusing AID... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cOmuCXV1Fs
Then next group of 200-300 people cross the border https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcc5skR42mg
Two hours latter that was happened https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGofp6ZJVy8
And this is situation in Gevgelija railway station latter that day... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI5Hdony4GM
There was a 5 train with capacity of max 500 refugees, but there was more than 7000-8000 waiting to travel to Serbia... Latter that night Macedonian authority send more than 30 bus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHjRfB_tFeM
Next day they build refuges camp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJXrgMbsJsM
People was send in the group, Red Cross give them food, water, fruits... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pio2Ag3e9DU
And this is situation latter that day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbQ2EZ-k5Ak ..... Macedonia is small county, can`t handle 2000-3000 refuges every day... There was a not problem before that. Last mount there was over 40000 refuges who cross a border....
Government_AI ago
Go back to your fucking countries then shit.
hats_ ago
This upsets me because the children have no say. The man shooing away help is holding a baby fer crissakes.
Starve yourself for all I care, but at least make sure your kids are taken care of. What a shame - learn some humility.
Rommel79 ago
Then fuck em.
squataclops ago
Guess they will starve themselves then. They're going into these countries acting like the governments owe them something.
Werdd ago
Islam is a cancer. It breeds ignorance, hate and violence.
newoldwave ago
I down voted because of the advert crazy web site. I never got a chance to read the story because of it.
un_salamandre ago
Weren't they saying they love satin?
HowieCameUnglued ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imgGyD6waTA
Advocatus_Diaboli ago
I'm sure they like satin, but if you're going to worship Satan, cotton is the way to go.
un_salamandre ago
Hm, can't agree with that. Guess we don't really have the same devil.
RonaldRayGuns ago
Came here to say: fuck Islam fuck Christianity fuck Judaism fuck religion
OneTrueCube ago
Actual satanism is mostly about being true to yourself and enjoying everything that life has to offer. Basically if an opportunity is offered, take it.
All the goat blood pentagram shit is mostly middle school kids that think they're cool. Real satanists dont bother with the ritual stuff because they acknowledge its all metaphorical worship without a true diety.
It gets a bad rap for its name but really all Satanists are are people who reject stupidity and embrace self-empowerment.
Donbuster ago
Frankly, the church of Satan has nothing to do with the Christian concept of Satan, you pay your 300 bucks, and you get a little card saying "hey, I'm a gullible idiot who just paid 300 bucks to believe in humanism as a philosophy for life." For all their talk of intelligence, it seems pretty stupid to me. Don't get me wrong, the organizers are genius, people ship them money and its tax free, but no. I will stick to atheism, thank you very much, no one will try to take my hard earned cash for believing in nothing but that which can be proven...
Tecktonik ago
There are far too many men in their 20's and 30's among those "refugees".
CalicoDan ago
Sad that there were children there. They shouldn't pay for their parents stupidity in all this.
0x5f3759df ago
This problem will be solved by natural selection rather quickly.
pandabill ago
Not quickly enough. We need to open the fun camps in Poland and send the "refugee" trains there.
Kaizervonmaanen ago
Ah, the good old voat solution. Can always expect someone here to suggest murdering Muslims or brown people. Almost no matter what the thread is about.
Aetrion ago
Yup, all the people that destroy their countries to accommodate such insane demands will be extinct soon enough.
fila ago
Well, the theme was Red Cross so I used their logo recoloured, but if you insist.
Warhymn ago
Evil people at the gates. Don't let them in.
i_am_triggered ago
In no time aid will be back with blank packages, or maybe even with some moon logo.
guinness2 ago
This is true: Muslims are human garbage who earn the disgust of civilized people by following a violent-rapist-pedophile ideology suitable only for rabid animals.
aileron_ron ago
I am not a Christian or illegal immigrant but if i entered a country illegally I would not turn down free shit. return to sender
thisismyfist ago
Quick - Everyone put a red cross on EVERYTHING
SiWofos ago
Someone photoshop a European flag with little yellow crosses rather than stars!
fila ago
Is this good enough?
un_salamandre ago
Reminds me of 8-bit games. Hm, maybe I could make one about this...
Mr_Weebles ago
Well, in that case, enjoy eating dirt washed down with scummy pond water.
Bon appetit!
conundrumbombs ago
This says a lot about the reputation of Christianity.
guinness2 ago
Please, explain to us how Islamic stupidity informs your thinking about a completely different religion?
conundrumbombs ago
I didn't say it was my opinion. It's not my opinion. It is an observation that there are people who clearly dislike Christianity, and it speaks volumes about that reputation if they are willing to decline aid. It is an objective fact that Christianity is not well reputed by them. How is that even up for debate?
guinness2 ago
Most civilized people aren't well reputed by Muslims: they consider basic human rights such as free speech, religious freedom and homosexuality to be a crime against Allah that is punishable by death for Allah. Allahu-Akbar!
I don't think the opinions of fuzzy-faced cavemen, of human garbage who consider bashing and raping woman and pedophilia and sex slavery to be moral and who believe in dust devils and flying horses, to be of any significance.
My dog enjoys eating his vomit as much as Wagyu beef and that doesn't speak volumes about anything meaningful either.
savageslav ago
While one can certainly argue that cross, star of david and star and crescent can all be seen as a sign that represents oppression in this case that argument is invalid. My guess is that they are refusing help because they want to move of from Serbia ( for the record this video is from Serbia ) further north to Western Europe. There is plenty of videos all over the place showing that they are refusing any form of humanitarian aid even without red cross on boxes and only demand unobstructed pass trough Balkan.
My guess is that refugees know that if refugee camps are formed and than people are screened trough a reasonable process most of them will not make it trough. I seriously don't understand why is EU not doing this. They did it during the war in Ex-Yugoslavia and it worked great, well not for everyone but, but people that really needed asylum got it. I say this because I lived through similar situation like these refugees and know for fact that certain percentage of these people that we see on the videos are not there because they are afraid of prosecution, but because they want to fuck it up for honest folks who truly want nothing more than to raise their families in peace.
magicron ago
if this is the correct reason, then op is a phaggot who put a misleading title.
ShinyVoater ago
This makes vastly more sense. They seem to be kicking up a fuss well before they can see small minutiae like the logo, anyway, so for that to be the explanation the video would have to be missing a decent chunk of events.
ChairmanCongFuckPao ago
Fuck them then.
That's nothing but a tiny taste of their willingness to adapt to the culture of the country they're trying to migrate in.
paradox42 ago
This is a pretty good point. If they are willing to go hungry than to take food form a cross marked box, how willing are they going to be to abide by laws that go against their religion? how willing will they be to have a female boss? to pay taxes to a government that provides abortion? I have no problem with immigrants, I have a problem with people wanting to come to a country and not assimilate. to the culture.
Porcupine_Ninja ago
Exactly.
un_salamandre ago
Fuck them in that case. I as a Christian would gladly take aid from moslems, buddhists, atheists or even satanists if I needed it and they were offering. That's not righteousness, that's just some fucked-up pride.
ScientiaPotentia ago
It isn't righteousness. They don't have a choice. They are the 'Slaves of Allah'. Allah has ordered that they conquer the world under his banner. It is against the will of Allah to accept non-Muslim symbols. That's idolatry. They believe they will literally spend time in hell for being disobedient to Allah if they do not protest Christian symbols in every fashion.
RonaldRayGuns ago
Your make beliefs are poison.
You oughta be ashamed being smart enough to use the Internet but still foolish enough to be a Christian.
HowieCameUnglued ago
Atheist preaching is more annoying than Jehovah's Witness and Mormon preaching put together. At least they think they're saving your soul. Atheists just want to pretend they're smarter/better than you.
RonaldRayGuns ago
All preaching is ridiculous. Anyone pretending to know unknowable things is a liar and deserving of unrelenting scorn and hatred.
Such as EVERY human who is even the slightest bit "religious".
That's not atheist preaching. As I am not an atheist and even find the term "atheism" as one both offensive and ridiculous.
As ridiculous and offensive as all things religious.
un_salamandre ago
You know, a few years ago I made a new friend and after a few days when he heard I was Christian, he said to me "You're a Christian? I thought you were smart!". Well it turned out he had a very blown-out-of-proportions image of Christians (basically that we're all Westboro Baptist Church or Ku Klux Klan members) and as he got to know me, I think that image changed. And obviously some points I believe he disagrees with, but after honest discussion we at least see each other's rationale and can agree to disagree. We since have become good friends, and while he's still an atheist, I'm pretty sure he doesn't think all Christians are stupid bigots stuck in hundred-years-old thinking anymore.
My point being: I understand why you think that. Many people do, and I see many reasons for it - The crusades, Westboro Baptist Church, and the simple fact of Christian beliefs [on abortion, on homosexuality, etc] seeming foreign and strange to many people of today's world. But what if some things you think about us are false? I think if you sat down for an honest discussion with me or any other christian and asked a few questions, you would change your opinion. But that's up to you, I'm not going to force any arguments onto you - especially not over the internet.
Anyways, I wish you all the best.
HorseSizedDuck ago
Hey, wait a second... That looked suspiciously like turning the other cheek. I'm on to your shenanigans!
/s
un_salamandre ago
Heh.
RonaldRayGuns ago
I wish you all the worst. You are clearly deserving of no better. You have no faith in humanity because you are weak so you fill that void with faith in magic.
You're gross gtfo
sun_butt ago
I'd take help from the devil himself if he offered.
jeegte12 ago
He literally has 'troll' in his name
polygontranslucent ago
I guess beggars can be choosers.
guinness2 ago
Animals don't seem concerned with their diplomatic role, they just attack and consume and kill and rape (for Allah).
Rummel ago
http://www.sadtrombone.com/
Drewcifer ago
I'd just put it on the ground next to them. If the don't take it because of their religion, so be it. They'll probably die feeling righteous and the world can see how ridiculous this is when the supplies are 2 feet from them,
jackdaritter ago
It reminds me of the rabbi who died of dehydration in the Holocaust because he would ceremoniously wash his hands with the little water he was given
Anodyspareunia ago
That never happened.
Jewish law is to be suspended if it means that lives can be saved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikuach_nefesh
jackdaritter ago
I was aware of this but the story I was told, which I'm currently looking the source, was of a rabbi who was incredibly superstitious about halakha.
Anodyspareunia ago
Source?
Novius ago
Package it in Christian imagery, really just lather it on. The door's where they swam over. I'm sorry Europe's not literally the hellhole they came from.
china_troll ago
Cross is a symbol of hate and oppression, it ought be banned from any civilized society.
Rummel ago
You spelled Star of David wrong