Oh, and honestly we probably agree on many things. But worshipping natural order and natural law but then claiming belief is god is stupid is just a retarded misunderstanding.

The whole belief of "worshiping" nature (hugging a tree) comes from the social engineering construct called paganism. Pagan just means "one with nature", so we're all pagan by definition. Pagan was weaponized as a mantle term to discredit those who didn't follow the laws of men through religions, but those calling themselves pagans are the same as atheists and non-believers, they falsely define themselves as being the opposite of believers, which is why they participate in the conflict by creating idols (Gaia) and symbolism to stand against the believers. That has nothing to do with nature; they were just tricked by the same 3rd party that created religions and paganism for control.

Comprehension of nature doesn't restrict your usage of it to any men made concepts of behavior. The tree hugging accusations stems from the fear of losing access to technology that was promoted to discredit nature; it utilizes the human hedonism of the wants over the needs. They are bribing us into their digital technocracy, while luring us away from nature. Without them, we would use a technology to advance nature; not to enslave each other into fantasy. The agenda behind transhumanism is to replace the 1 (the natural reality) with the 0 (the digital fantasy) so that they (the parasites) can be "gods" of their own reality (a death cult).

Thank for the response btw it helped me grow a lot.

Assuming you know what people believe, assuming you know how they act, and again making an unprovable claim.

A belief is an assumption; is a lie, which means it's by definition not the truth. The only truth that exists in a finite; moving; temporary ecosystem are the laws of nature that define it, because those laws are fundamental. And those fundamental laws of nature don't require belief; they demand constant adaptation. belief, as I stated, is the survival instinct helping out with an assumption towards an unknown, which is automatically flowed by curiosity, which turns into knowledge and nullifies the belief , but if you hold onto it, you overstepped the balance; the natural order and the belief becomes blind faith; a restriction of reality you hold in your consciousness.

What humans believe means exactly jack shit, because the act of believing is already against the laws of nature. I know by the laws of nature that they're wrong and when I deal with them I adapt to pathological liars to find ways to get them to break the restrictions that prevents them to comprehend reality. Again; the majority of mankind was deceived to follow the wrong rules (the laws of men), which is why their intents are all fucked up and self destructive. They are desperately looking for complex answers to all the problems that are mounting in front of them, without realizing that the simple answer can only be found by questioning the faulty foundation they build upon. If the foundation is uneven; the roof will never fit. Once you comprehend the laws of nature, like every other life-form does, you can see all the human lies as a clear as day.

Hm... sounds evil- Oh, but that's just a human belief!

It's again a consequence of a former action. A parasite requires a weak-point to leech upon. When humans claim ownership over that which nature provides for free, then it creates endless negative consequences, which leads to moral guilt, which leads to the hedonistic response of creating idols to blame, so unburden the guilt for all the shit they caused. And that idol requires first knowledge gained from nature that symbolizes their desire to shirk responsibility onto others, and what do you know...they learned this as children from the relationship to their fathers. They emulated their childhood behavior to deal with their moral dilemma as adults.

So holding onto any belief wastes your existence? I hope you don't believe in anything you say then.

Correct; I don't hold any belles anymore, which took a lot of effort to get my mind around. Beliefs are lies. Truth does not require belief. Example: if you tell your kid to clean his room you don't believe him. If you say you do it's a lie. First off as a parent it's your responsibility to use adaptation after giving an order, which means you will check if he did indeed clean his room; otherwise he will prey upon your gullibility. So your belief wasn't required at all, but it gets worse...what you actually believe is your ability to teach your child to follow your commands. You never believed in him, you believed in yourself, but you tell others that you believe in him, because you don#t want to be seen as a hedonist.

Humans are pathological liars who lie about absolutely everything; all the time; to everyone and most of all to themselves. Small talk for example are both parties doing something they don't actually want to do out of a false belief of social conduct. So two liars lying to each other to uphold a lie together. Fashion and cosmetics? That is masquerading; hiding yourself from public view based on insecurities aka lying to the world, because you lie to yourself. Childhood innocence directly points out adulthood guilt. Every time you ignore something you lie about your responsibility for upholding the order, which of course exponentially snowballs Pinocchio style into more and more problems. Soon you can't move anymore because your metaphorical nose is so big...and what do you know? Western civilization is currently under enforced house arrest based on nothing but lies. And that nose is still growing into a massive genocide, as stated in the protocols, which is based on them showing their hands according to the talmudic laws of karma. They tell you exactly what they're doing to wash their own minds of guilt; they blame your ignorance; the very same ignorance the pathological liars of humanity are using as a shield to shirk their responsibilities.

This doesn't logically follow. Even if something were an assumption that would not de facto make it untrue. If you're saying we can't even make a claim like sex causes joy (joy being roughly a synonym for pleasure), then we can't make virtually any claims. If that's the case, why are you blathering on? Everything would be assumption to you and therefore untrue.

You are learning. I like that. The difference between procreation and lust is your intent. As long as you enjoy it to create life it's positive, but once you enjoy it for selfish reasons it becomes negative. Now that is YOUR intent and you have no right to to take YOUR intent, make a belief out of it in your mind and proclaim it to the world as truth. That would be a lie. You have the freedom of choice to do it anyway, but only nature can pass judgment about the consequences. You are not in charge; you're a participant; a guest under house rules. You don#t have the rights to pass judgements, you have the ability to make judgements to steer your intent, but you cannot proclaim any of this to be true, because in a moving system everything is temporary.

By passing your belief out as truth you are being subjected tot he laws of nature, which will create non-believer to your belief, because "opposites must coexist", since they're defined by each other. And believer and non-believer means division, which creates conflict, which is nature passing the judgment of chaos onto your negative action, and that chaos will come back to bite you in the ass, because we are all a part of the sum of all things.

Your joy in the selfish act of lust, can at the same time be the suffering of your partners intent for procreation. These are both your individual believes; not natural truths. Your consciousness can easily adapt to all of this on the fly; if you would just let it, which means taking out all the restrictions.

Lastly; why do I go on when mankind presents me with next to nothing but lies? Because they are not in charge, nature is and I follow the laws of nature, while struggling to create order for the benefits of all, so that I can benefit from that order. That is the only way towards order. If I would ignore this; I would chose death over life. Ain't gonna happen, because nature doesn't want me to. And if you still think you're in charge; convince yourself to kill yourself by holding your breath and see who stronger...your mind or the natural survial instinct controlling your body? You can't do it. It requires way more corruption and chaos for you to throw the gift of life away and we are designed to withstand struggle, because that's what life demands.

The concept of love can be used as a lie, it can also describe a phenomena that most people agree they experience.

No phenomena in the survival instinct, the maternal instinct, in all the senses reacting with each other, in the chemical reactions caused by this etc. You accepted a mantle term through ignorance of nature, which was corrupted into a "magical" meaning (a lie); a belief that "love" is a binding power. It isn't; it's a multitude of natural processes, which you were decieved into ignoring to dump your conscious perception of reality down, by selling you on rhetorical mantle terms that also leave enough room to inject genocide agendas like sexual liberation, marriage, and abortion.

Also, who are they? Are they part of the natural order? Or did they get out of nature's demands?

Oh no; they are the consequences of our hedonistic actions of being parasites to our own host, which in response made our host create a parasite within our own species to get us back in line. The antidote to their lies and deceptions is us throwing out our beliefs and start following the laws of nature, at which point the parasite has nothing to leech upon. Right now they are a death cult dragging us all into extinction with them, and that is not an emotional statement, it's a natural observation.

Do you have anything practical to offer? Or were all these words a waste?

What more could I offer than comprehension of reality and the fundamental rules that govern our existence? Which btw all come free of charge...not "buy my books" no cult of personality, no sign on the dotted line; no groups; no symbolism. Instead I offer the way for mankind to elevate itself and everything around them and all it takes it is for the individual to comprehend the laws of nature, follow them and take down the restrictions that prevent him to operate at full capacity in this world of lies. The reason why you say "practical" is because you subconsciously want to shirk your responsibility onto a leader, but as humans we don't require leaders, we are the stewards who were given the ability to comprehend everything; to mimic everything. What you want is what you already have, but you don't use it right, because you believe in the wrong foundation of rules. this deception is been going on for thousands upon thousands of years, but nature will always create order and let the truth reemerge in people like me, because it wants order; not chaos.

This is an assumption. He was agreeing with the person you responded to, saying "we" are against promiscuous sex. It could be seen as a manipulation tactic, but it's not inherently one. He could just be agreeing, so you've made an assumption.

No. You are one part of a collective. You speak for yourself; not for the collective, because that would be hedonism.

(Evil) Depends entirely on the definition. Again, assumption.

No. If there's room to define something differently than it isn't a fundamental natural state, but a belief; an assumption; a lie. A definition is you trying to make sense of nature for yourself, but that definition doesn't affect the foundation of nature.

So you think things can be positive or negative, but don't think things can be evil? You weren't talking about batteries, here, so that's hypocrisy.

Nope. What you are saying is based on your hedonistic belief that you can pass judgements like "evil", but only nature has the power the judge the consequences of all actions. Positive and negative cannot be defined from within existence; which would just be self destructive ignorance, but are defined as the barriers in between which all existence operates; or life and death for us lifeforms (to make the concept a little smaller in scale and easier to comprehend). If you have the movement of life towards death; you have the draining of a positive state towards a negative goal.

How does nature demand you uphold its natural order? If that were the case, how could anything go against the natural order?

By passing the judgment of the consequences of all our actions back onto us. Take the sun for example; the life giver and life taker in one body. It has no intent towards us, yet this ecosystem uses the sun to teach us about the natural order by putting the responsibility of balancing it on us. Every life form embraces the sun and escapes its heat into shadows...its their choice, but the laws of nature define the rules.If you embrace the warmth of light of the us (Helios) you heal; you blossom; you live, but if you don't struggle to uphold the balance and fell for a temptation (sloth; greed; ignorance) then you get sick, wither or die. The positive outcome creates order; the negative outcome creates chaos; both are defined by each other and must always coexist. Every possible action is defined by that "morality". The same thing; like an apple, can be positive and negative depending on your choices, which is how this ecosystem passes responsibility to its participants. Why? Because it (the ecosystem) wants to survive and strive, which is why it needs to entice us to take responsibility for it.

Going against the natural order is your free choice, but it will have negative consequences passed by nature on the sum of all things that sustain your existence.You were given the tools and materials to make this ecosystem better, and every negative thing happening to you is based on you not using these tools to adapt and create order.

You can't prove or disprove this (Creation without a creator).

Of course I can. The act of creation is all around us, we participate in it all the time. What's wrong with it is our perception of what it entails, because we were indoctrinated to believe that creation means a creator. In reality all creation requires the sum of all things working together. We don't exist inside a vacuum where you can make up things out of thin air. All our thoughts and ideas first require inspiration from nature, everything we create requires the materials nature offers, every act of creation requires the sum of all things sustaining this ecosystem so that we can have the liberty to create within. Creation requires the "ALL" not the "ONE".

The criminal parasites in control withhold the laws of nature from us to sell us on the opposite of what is good for us; that is their entire roadmap. they are a death-cult based on hedonism and they groom mankind into being hedonistic too, which is why in this case they made us believe in the one over the all. This is all about destroying unity, which is why they utilize lies and deceptions to sell beliefs and -isms to divide us endlessly so that we cannot unite and crush them.

Yes, once living things exist they can do things.

As I stated...they are not conscious about creating a new law of behavior or about the consequences of that new behavior on all of them. They collectively (by instincts) decided to temporarily not follow their natural instincts towards predator and prey behavior, because their survival instinct overruled it based on an imminent threat. A new law was created without a creator and without it being consciously planned, yet everyone follows it.

Why would that be order? Would the order cease to exist if one of the predators attacked a prey animal? Why would you say "moral behavior patterns?"

Because they exist in between the states of life and death, and they use adaptation to struggle for life (survival) and against death. That is the natural law laying out the ground-rules to them via instincts. If a a predator in that situation started to prey upon the others; it would be against the natural order and automatically create chaos, which in return will also create negative consequences for the predator, because handling desperate masses of animals in panic becomes a deadly threat for the predator, so the predators survial instinct will make him bow to the new temporary order. Look at the leadership principle of the wolf-pack...the alpha may be the strongest of the pack, but the pack could collectively take him out easily, but they don't, because they comprehend that a capable alpha means better protection for the pack, yet they never stop individually challenging the alpha to make sure he is up to par, which is how the pack sustains their own survial.

I say "morality", because constant balance in between a positive and a negative outcome demands responsibility. Nature defines morality; not humans. The religion based moral system that the parasites created to control us are all lies. The biggest example would be "murder", because in a system where life is defined by death, and where survial is defined through a food-chain of killing each other it's absurd to see "murder" as morally wrong. Nature doesn't care one iota about us killing each other; it only judges the consequences of that kill, which means the importance is on the intent. Talmudic reasoning was created to trick intent to circumvent the consequences of karma. In nature lion cubs are happily playing blood-soaked in the carcass of the antelopes and neither the lion; nor the other antelopes are passing moral judgments upon that. Only we; the self corrupted hedonists were taught to throw a hissy fit when facing the carnage of death, which corrupted us to the point where we hide the mass torture and murder of billions of life-forms annually behind anonymous walls to protect our emotions, or the whole funeral perversion of making the dead look alive, then sacrificing life essence (flowers) to make it look pretty for us, so that we can feel better for ourselves, and instead of respecting the alchemical ritual of transmutation, by letting the corpse become one with the earth, we empty the corpse, put make-up on them, dress them, and put them in boxes to keep the appearance of life going to hep the hedonistic psychopaths feel better for themselves, while rejecting the laws of nature.

Anyway...killing isn't an issue; it's the intent behind it that matters, because if you have a shred of doubt about why you're killing, it will have negative consequences and create chaos. if you see a guy raping a child and you get over their to kill that motherfucker; you act on the intent of the temptation of anger; rage, which will have negative consequences, but if you go over their to help the child, while killing the motherfucker then your consciousness will be free of any doubt, which lead to positive consequences. See, it was never about the act of killing, but about your state of mind while doing in; leading to the consequences that nature will judge. Again; look into talmudic law surrounding karma; they may be psychopathic mass murderers, but they fanatically bow down to karma, because they know the damage it causes to have the wrong moral intent.

Such a broad statement and essentially useless. Again, not a provable statement - it relies on poetic meaning. But you could just as easily say the many are one.

No. One enclosed ecosystem with the sum of all things inside sustaining it. Your individual state of one is thereby defined by being part of the many; the collective; the sum of all things. You can't do anything without them making it possible for you. And the "many are one" is in the sense that they are the sum of all things; the inside of an ecosystem.