How many of these bobbies are also wondering and waiting for the public to wake up and realize that Britain is becoming a tyranny that favours Islam over all other groups?
We cannot blame the police man for following the orders that they swore to follow. The blame lies squarely on the Press (for not informing the public, the Parliament (for not defending Free speech against "Hate Speech" tyranny) and the PM for providing no moral leadership whatsoever.
We cannot blame the police man for following the orders that they swore to follow.
Not that I believe in the holohaox but this is akin to saying, "we cannot blame the nazi guards who stood post under orders from higher up, shot jews under order of superiors, etc, etc.
Either humans have agency or they don't. How would you feel about yourself while arresting somebody who criticized Islam while ignoring Islamic rapists? C'mon man, you're better than that, aren't you?
WHICH IS CORRECT. These guards were decent human beings, honorable men for the most part, carrying out duties that they detested but they knew was "their duty".
The persecution of guards at death camps was noted to be a moral error even by honest Jewish lawyers participating in the Nuremberg trials. These were not monsters. The Holocaust was not unique. There is no "lesson" that the human race would ever "learn" from these farcical witch trials. History has already demonstrated that.
And so has academia: The later Stanford Prison experiments validated the simple fact that ANY decent person can be roped into following "the hierarchy" and its demands. It is in our genetic make up as apes.
And the Millgram experiment showed that even what appears to be "sadistic" science is interpreted as "important sacrifices" by the person administering pain. That should have been the final nail in the coffin of Holocaust Hubris if anyone actually cared about the cause of stopping atrocities.
One must conclude that the motivation of this "holocaust emphasis"/industry is not that of some general human concern but is more parochial in its purpose.
And that lesson is also true for deep-dedicated Jihadis. That is why I just want to deport them and then isolate their habitat from the rest of the decent civilized world.
Then "blame" yourself and all of humanity. You are no different than those German guards. You would have been right in there with them along with me if given the same circumstances.
Maybe, maybe not. Just because most lose their humanity doesn't mean all will. There are always those who won't participate in atrocities. My Lai is a good example. Don't lump everyone into the same category - it's a logical fallacy.
That is just it. No one lost their humanity. They did not become monsters. They thought that what they did was sacrifice for the greater good. They were wrong IMO but, none the less, they did their jobs out of a sense of commitment and sacrifice to their fellow citizens.
My Lai
Is not comparable. That is what happens when the individual loses all discipline and reverts to a mob. Totally not comparable to Death Camps.
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PrettyBigDouche ago
Brits need to start hanging these cops. They are paid govt goons. Nothing legit about them.
novictim ago
How many of these bobbies are also wondering and waiting for the public to wake up and realize that Britain is becoming a tyranny that favours Islam over all other groups?
We cannot blame the police man for following the orders that they swore to follow. The blame lies squarely on the Press (for not informing the public, the Parliament (for not defending Free speech against "Hate Speech" tyranny) and the PM for providing no moral leadership whatsoever.
PrettyBigDouche ago
Not that I believe in the holohaox but this is akin to saying, "we cannot blame the nazi guards who stood post under orders from higher up, shot jews under order of superiors, etc, etc.
Either humans have agency or they don't. How would you feel about yourself while arresting somebody who criticized Islam while ignoring Islamic rapists? C'mon man, you're better than that, aren't you?
novictim ago
WHICH IS CORRECT. These guards were decent human beings, honorable men for the most part, carrying out duties that they detested but they knew was "their duty".
The persecution of guards at death camps was noted to be a moral error even by honest Jewish lawyers participating in the Nuremberg trials. These were not monsters. The Holocaust was not unique. There is no "lesson" that the human race would ever "learn" from these farcical witch trials. History has already demonstrated that.
And so has academia: The later Stanford Prison experiments validated the simple fact that ANY decent person can be roped into following "the hierarchy" and its demands. It is in our genetic make up as apes.
And the Millgram experiment showed that even what appears to be "sadistic" science is interpreted as "important sacrifices" by the person administering pain. That should have been the final nail in the coffin of Holocaust Hubris if anyone actually cared about the cause of stopping atrocities.
One must conclude that the motivation of this "holocaust emphasis"/industry is not that of some general human concern but is more parochial in its purpose.
And that lesson is also true for deep-dedicated Jihadis. That is why I just want to deport them and then isolate their habitat from the rest of the decent civilized world.
PrettyBigDouche ago
TL;DR.
I read the first sentence. Yes they should get blamed. Following illegal/immoral orders is not an excuse.
novictim ago
Then "blame" yourself and all of humanity. You are no different than those German guards. You would have been right in there with them along with me if given the same circumstances.
PrettyBigDouche ago
Maybe, maybe not. Just because most lose their humanity doesn't mean all will. There are always those who won't participate in atrocities. My Lai is a good example. Don't lump everyone into the same category - it's a logical fallacy.
novictim ago
You should look up the YouTube/Wiki pages on those particular two studies I cited. It may change your mind.
novictim ago
That is just it. No one lost their humanity. They did not become monsters. They thought that what they did was sacrifice for the greater good. They were wrong IMO but, none the less, they did their jobs out of a sense of commitment and sacrifice to their fellow citizens.
Is not comparable. That is what happens when the individual loses all discipline and reverts to a mob. Totally not comparable to Death Camps.
PrettyBigDouche ago
Yes sir. You know all. I bow to your superior wisdom.
novictim ago
I knew you'd come around!
PrettyBigDouche ago
Big egos bore me. Enjoy being a hero in your own mind.
novictim ago
Thank you. Things are splendid!
SebuttYopick ago
sad times, hopefully Cops wake the fuck up stand with the people
PrettyBigDouche ago
If they haven't yet, they probably won't. George Orwell is both gloating and rolling over in his grave.