pedos have way too much chutzpah

I actually see your point and somewhat agree, but you are not a good messenger for this. We can all see what you post and it makes me worry that you aren't genuine.

Not true at all. There are plenty of people who don't have those views and aren't downvoated. If you don't act like a jackarse, you don't get downvoated.

You just want free reign to do whatever degenerate shit you please and not be held accountable for it. Kindly fuck off with your concernfaggery.

The conversation does get harder for me to have, but not for the reasons you'd like to think..

Did I not just give you tips?

1) Actually listen: I know you think you know what the other guy is saying, but you don't. Ask questions frequently. And don't play "gotcha".

Come on, man. You don't know what I think. You don't know me at all. Why are you doing this?

As a matter of fact, these objectives become easi...

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As it goes, I am simply not as passionate or motivated...

You're like that guy who thinks the civil war was about slaves. Now you want to tell me about you and your feelings, like I ever asked about them. The time you spent winging about how you feel could have been better put answering my questions.

These posts are made an hour after mine

I know you don't care, but my computer caught fire months ago. Takes about 15 minutes to type this on the phone. If you think this is intense, then you have low standards for debate.

Your posts don't argue in good faith, for all the reasons I've

Yes they do. You poisoned the discussion by imagining things about me. You don't know how to argue. You don't know how to answer questions, or ask them. Hell, I literally told you what I think you think. Then i asked you what you think I think. You don't care about that. You don't seem to aspire to actually debate anything. You wanted to feel like you did. That's all.

There is nothing for me to gain if I continue here.

I think you lack the technical ability to continue in the first place.

You can have the debate if you'd like: I'll trade that for revealing the truth of your extremely suspicious behavior, and make my exit.

I have no idea what you mean by thus.

Which is more likely: someone that invested in Voat who posts that often on Voat doesn't have much to say to Voat, or that they're not pedo-posting in their comments the same way they do in submissions because their account would become limited?

I'm not sure what my answer to this question would change. You're asking for an opinion on an empirical issue for rhetorical effect. Evidently, Aged posts a bunch and doesn't comment much. Comments have literally no penalty since they don't cost him any CCP. Your response to this is to imagine reasons why he's not posting- as if you know him. How do you expect me to argue against your imagination?

I replied to this argument last time. You ignored my reply and restated the argument. That's arguing in bad faith. Here's what I saiid:

I understood you perfectly fine. It's you who's not listening. His posts get voted down no matter what or where he puts them. You'll notice he has a sub for trailers. Those get voted down too, regardless of the actual content. If there's suddenly a different standard for his comments (i.e.the points that actually matter), that's a separate issue as far as I'm concerned. Ultimately, I'm unconvinced people would have different standards for both.

If downvoats were remove...

More imagination. I may as well ask "what if" we just get more of the same.

Here's what I said:

Okay, final form time. Let's get this out of the way, because I feel like we're going to go around in circles:

I think you're saying that he values his CCP. I think you're saying his CCP is literally the only reason he's not posting more links. I think you're saying he'd use his comments as supplementary posts. I think you think this is bad. I have no idea where you picture this happening. Your basis for this is that many of his posts deal with loli.

Am I right? Am I missing something? If everything is in order, I want you to tell me what you think I think. This tactic is known as a "steel man", and it's very useful.

He can't right now: he would eventually lose enough CCP to face penalties.

You'd know better than me: what are the penalties for having a low CCP?

His gaming posts are like someone going into a thread about light bulbs and posting pornography of Thomas Edison.

You wouldn't know this necause you're new, but his posts were pretty welcome there u til Putt caved to the pressure and banned him. When he got unbanned, some users got polarized and started voting him down out of spite. Now his posts rarely go positive.

No, it wouldn't.

You're not thinking any of this through. He's telling us to rely on mods to police things. Your point is that he's encouraging this one thing, but this one thing is half of what the community does. You're trying to make a distinction between policing "spam" and some more nebulous, general policing. I'm not. Because once you let them decide what spam is, you get firmly on a slippery slope back to Reddit. We're all here because of that.

The 1381 submissions he's made to /v/gaming disagree with you.

The fact that people DV literally just because its Aged weakens your point somewhat. Take away about 2-3 DV and you get a better idea how well received posts are. (Before you ask, that's the number of DV I see on his v/loli posts. Either they're bots, or people are going out of their way to DV him.)

I don't imagine that at all, no. Where did that even come from?

You probably think that's a rhetorical question. It's not. I ask because, even if everything you say is true, I'm not seeing how it's a problem. So the first place to start is by asking if you think he'll spam every post with irrelevant links. That would be pretty annoying no matter what.

Do you mean suspended? He has a submission made to /v/gaming made 3.9 hours ago. That's different from a ban.

No. I mean banned. Putt caved, banned him, told us he banned him, Voat, understandably, did not approve, and he got unbanned. The screechers got their panties in a twist and started this weird crusade you've tangled yourself up into. Notable highlights are u/theoldones begging for child porn,Repeatedly, And again for good measure, spamming v/ProtectVoat for a day and a half to try to dox me, only to get doxxed himself, while also complaining that I point out that he begged for child porn. It was funny.

I'm not impressed at your listening skills, I'm impressed with your skills at debate and persuasion. I should include rhetoric in there too.

I'll share some tips:

1) Actually listen: I know you think you know what the other guy is saying, but you don't. Ask questions frequently. And don't play "gotcha".

2) Stop making assumptions about the person you're talking to: Especially online. The other person is probably nothing like you imagine. What good does it do anyone to have you waste time imagining what he's like when he's trying to talk to you?

was alerted by Mumbleberry

A) You don't actually need to @ him. It just clutters up his inbox.

B) I know you don't know what's going on, because:

C) You're relying on biased accounts and taking the conversation at face value. There are layers here extending beyond any actual disdain for me. This is a purity spiral. Plain and simple. People here like their free speech. A minority would prefer to curtail that on moral grounds. That kind of attitude is why Voat became so popular in the first place. Most of us remember that.

I'm convinced both you and Aged are operating in bad faith.

Tip #2. Remember. You can assume anything you want about me. In the end, the conversation only gets harder for you to have, not me.

Why might that be?

Probably because he doesn't have much to say. Like I said: It's not like his CCP tanks when he comments.

That's entirely expected when a lot of those comments aren't pedophilic.

Notice how this is shifting from "He's trying to not get DV" to "okay, so he has no skin in this game. But I'm sure this is part of a devious plan". What do you even imagine being the end game? Aged sticks to the relevant subs to post relevant content, and occasionally makes clarifying statements and shares his opinion on stuff. This is met with exactly zero consequences. A ban on downvotes would do nothing to prevent him from posting anything in comments as it is. Nobody that doesn't want to see his content, does.

The idea in this post would only shift the balance of power to mods and let them ban him with less backlash. I'm not seeing what it is you're envisioning here that would come to be if suddenly we can't vote people down. Notice we're not even on a different "side" here. I agree: We should be able to vote down.

P.s.: A bunch of his stuff has nothing to do with loli. Still gets voted down. So pointing out his comments aren't on the basis of merit is weak.

I disagree. The skin in the game he has is the ability to make limitless comments with drawn images of naked children.

He can do that anyway. Do you just imagine every thread on voat having seventeen different pictures and a farm of bots pushing them to the top? That doesn't make sense even if the idea really was to spam links in the comments section.

so why wouldn't he do it with comments too?

Harder to track, find, and vote up. Right now, i can just go to any arbitrary sub and quickly browse what I want from a single page.

He didn't encourage us to lean on mods to police communities in the abstract. He encouraged us to lean on mods to remove only spam.

Not seeing a meaningful distinction.

Why would anti-spam policies result in his ban?

Already happened. Not just on Reddit, but here too. He got banned off v/gaming for "spam" when the screeching minority here pressured Putt. If you go to v/gaming, you'll notice his posts are entirely on-topic, marked appropriately, and, save for (I think) two posts in the last couple of weeks, literally not one loli in sight. Not that that's against the rules in v/gaming, but I just thought I'd rub in the point.

While I disagree with you, you're clearly skilled at debate and persuasion

Bitch, this isn't even my final form. Seriously though, I accept your compliment. Though it's sad you're ao impressed with someone just listening to you.

YOU

you deserve to fucking die, fuck you.

it's not anything related to loyalty. it the fact you post CP. fucking hang yourself and drink cyanide to seal the job.

out of concern for those who aren't in line with White supremacy and genocide and hate of Jews and Black people?

Well he's got more CCP than I do, rarely comments in general, and whenever he does comment, it's received about as well as any other. The entire PoV sub could DV him 500 times over and he'd still have enough CCP to post as much as he wants.

Or do you think it's more likely he feigns that concern because he knows it's more likely to persuade the public to remove downvoats than "I want to scale up and streamline the pornographic posts I make of drawn children"?

Not really. He has no skin in the game. Tell me he's teetering on something like 200 CCP, then fine- I can imagine a selfish reason for this.

But this? This would be inconvenient for Aged, as encouraging us to lean on mods to police communities would give them the kind of power they'd need to ban him off subs arbitrarily.

https://voat.co/v/PedosOnVoat/3213754/

Try saying niggers are people too. I think you'll understand.

I understand the spirit of what you're saying, but a Voat where we need to rely on mods to police our content for us is the exact opposite thing we need. Look at it this way: Didn't you get banned off v/gaming because some losers pressured Putt? The DV may not be great, but at least I can just give a few UV myself to offset them. What do I do when a mod decides you can't post again?

You nailed it, newguy.

kill yourself pedophile faggot

Plenty of other plats for anti-white posting. Niggers and kikes welcome there.

For all you newfags, @Aged is a paedophile.

True story, not a joke.

I'm very racist but down with retarded Jewspiracies. So that means I manage to hang here myself with some difficulty.

But I also don't mind different opinions. I even welcome them. They help me sharpen my own views if nothing else.

And I strongly agree with you. @PuttItOut will have to make the call though.

It's really about time you realised what's going on in the world.

Pedos get DV's. As it should be. A rope would be better though