Holy fucking shit.

If we're trying to be the antithesis of Reddit, why does this look and feel exactly like Reddit?

Why are the more popular /v 's named identically after Reddit's most popular /r 's ?

I think we're having an identity crisis already ... trust me, I want to be a part of this mass Exodus, but I can't believe this is like the bizzarro world Reddit while attempting to be 'so different' ...

Another thing, you have people moderating things like /v/chicago who don't even live in Chicago, and admits in his own posts. That's just like Reddit. A bunch of guys from the suburbs pretending like they're Chicagoans, controlling the flow of data, posts, and manipulating votes. You have to have higher standards if you want to be taken serious ... otherwise, guys like this will turn this place into exactly what we're all trying to avoid over at Reddit.

What is "voat"? I am assuming it's wordplay on "vote", but i can't be sure. Is it an acronym?

Either way, i just want to say at a glance, the community on here seems human. I've rarely posted on reddit in the past, because of the times when i have done, i've been downvoted into oblivion for "going against the hivemind", renderring my account useless due to restrictions on getting too many downvotes. Effectively getting silenced and unable to reply to any comments for long periods of time. Hopefully this place isn't full of spammer/robots voters aswell.... time will tell.

All hail VOAT!!!!

Thank you for existing

That is all

is this made from reddit source or some other or did you make it from scratch?

Is there going to be an app available for Voat? I mostly browse on my phone so that would make this a lot better :)

To prevent the incessant downvoting that plagues reddit, are you considering making a downvoat deduct a karma point from your account?

Other places do this, and it seems like an effective way to keep it at bay, maybe it would also help diminish karma whoring, if people gets used to the idea of karma being a transient thing and not something which will go down as your legacy.

Loved the Voat.

My question is ... will have more choices of themes?

I would love that had the theme Yotsuba. Or 9gag (not as heavy as).

What actions are you going to take to ensure that there is no such moderator abuse as seen on reddit? What actions are you going to take to ensure lack of censorship? What kind of visibility will the public have to moderator and admin actions and decisions? How will you try to curb things like downvoat brigading and other such abuse of the system?

It's probably been asked before, but it seems as if Voat is an exact clone of Reddit. Shouldn't there be features to set it apart?

PS: There probably are. I'm in the process of exploring it.

Voat has seriously grown so much! I'm so proud of the whole team, especially Atko! :)

That one only works if you have Google cookies setup and have not blocked cookies from domains different than the one you're visiting.

If any of those criteria is not match, it will display the good old ugly text.

How do I make a sticky for my subverse?

What are the commitments of the admins for privacy and transparency toward its user base?

Second, how Voat and the admins behind the site hope to avoid the pitfalls that killed Digg and are killing Reddit at the moment (i.e. power users, shadowban, etc) ?

People who generalise and use the term "redditors" like he does seem to be sjw types. They set up a strawman stereotypical redditor and ascribe negative easily attackable traits to paint them as. It's like a shitredditsays thing.

Would you rather fight 100 duck sized horse or 1 horse sized duck?

Commenting in legendary thread. Love you guys, the site looks pretty great so far. Keep it up!

My progressive ass damn well knows the difference between a liberal leftist and an illiberal leftist. I wont let them co-opt the left by insinuating that I'm some conservative for not letting them police language and expression. However when someone lives at the south pole, everything appears to be north to them. So to use the term "mild" is a gross misrepresentation.

all excellent answers, bravo! don't hesitate to hit me up if you ever need db assistance

Also for the love of christ make sure to never cator to minorities you'll make us hate you.

https://voat.co/v/whoaversejobs/

They don't practice vote fuzzing

Thanks for the answer.

do you mean this [GIF].

Nah I meant more like this

Seriously though I mean on the submissions themselves.

Is there any way to "save" or bookmark threads you like?

If not, are you planning on adding that feature in the future?

Thanks! :)

• What is voat's official methodology for banning? Will voat be implementing shadow bans? Or will you be more user-friendly and alert the person that they were banned?

• Will voat have any tricky "gotcha" rules?

• Where will those rules, or Terms of Service, be posted?

Reddit has draconian rules regarding posting someone's real name (called "doxing"). Doing so gets your account shadowbanned from reddit. Unfortunately, this can happen on accident and completely innocently, There are many models or TV actors whose names are posted in profiles, but who are not completely famous celebrities. For example, a pretty model is posted, someone asks who it is, you reply with their full name. You are shadowbanned for "doxing". (reddit admins don't care for such nuance.)

For those who are out of the loop, "Shadow banning" is a weird way that reddit bans accounts. You cannot tell you are banned, and finding out is extremely difficult, it often requires a 3rd-party website. Usually a week passes before you realize what is happening, The only indication visible to you is that your comments and submissions are not being voted on.

You could easily just make a new account to get around this. It's not an effective preventative measure and is only a minor (albeit annoying) hassle.

> we simply have completely different outlooks on how a media aggregator should be managed.

What do the reddit admins do that you disagree with? Looking over their very short list of global rules (I only count 5), they don't seem particularly harmful or dubious. They actually seem like common sense (don't vote manipulate, no CP, etc...).

Other than that, it looks like anything goes. Moderators on reddit are free to run their subreddits any way they wish. Each subreddit is run differently. The fact you don't differentiate this, talk about it and/or try to pretend reddit is some monolithic entity which you disagree with seems a bit naive and incredibly opportunistic. You're trying to siphon off the traffic from reddit when people get unhappy with individual subreddits and their mods, and not reddit itself. It looks like you don't actually care about reddit, and are focused more on growing your website. To do that, you have to convince people your website is somehow better than reddit.

How to you propose to fight the problems reddit as whole faces, which will certainly become an issue here as well? Those problems don't just disappear because you're at a new website. Those problems are vote manipulation, intricate spam rings, witch-hunting, etc... Reddit has the money to keep a legal team on retainer which shields them from a lot of things. If some huge disaster like thefappening happens on this site, do you have the legal resources required to fight it? Or would you give in to the pressure and censor things? These are the big issues which nobody has brought up, it's like everyone is blissfully ignorant and unaware of the real issues that will inevitably effect this site if it is even slightly successful.

So I've read all the VOAT team has said about reddit and I'm not impressed in the slightest. You offer an alternative to reddit, but no alternative solutions. You're incredibly vague when it's brought up. Sorry, but after checking this place out, you can't hope to compete with reddit. Many of tried and failed. There's a reason why reddit is so successful and there's a reason why it's lasted 10 years. It's because during that time, they've found and utilized the best (and perhaps most innovate) possible solutions. Solutions which may not be immediately obvious or may not make sense until you yourself are in the same situation with the same experience. You can't tell a child what being burned feels like, they have to experience it themselves to understand.

Oh, and I almost forgot. It's also incredibly apparent that either you or other users are using sock puppets to make this place look busier than it is. Is sockpuppetry something that is allowed here? If so, then carry on I guess. If not, you may want to look into that. If it's you (or other admins) personally doing it, well, I guess if it's working...

[–] [deleted] 3 days ago (last edited 3 days ago)

[deleted by author at 09.02.2015 23:41:29]

I'm sold.

will us hitlerians be able to pray in peace?

Do you intend to ever sell the site to a large publicly held company like Condé Nast?

After reddit sold to this company the "Feel Good Police" came in and started stomping on free speech.

Thanks:)

Thanks for the respons and you are right, I am not angry at you, just angry that I spent 5+ years at reddit and contributed quite a bit so I felt invested in the site. As of late I feel betrayed and so yes I am overly sensitive regarding things that have happened over the past few years. I appreciate your understanding and am really excited about voat, I just don't want to see the same shit happen in 5-10 years like it did a reddit. There are a lot of awesome things that happen over there and that was one of the reasons why I loved it but the bad has started to outweigh the good.

Thanks again for taking the time to respond and for understanding my tone, i meant no disrespect.

I don't think that's good enough. Even if the reddit admins stayed out of it, censorship by mods would still be a problem. I don't know what the solution is, but some sort of accountability needs to exist. Some semblance of democracy. It's hard to think of something that wouldn't be subvertible, but basically mods should have the approval of the members of the sub.

As a start, I think all mod actions should be visible. We moderate to stop bullshit derailing the thread, it would seem that there would be no harm in displaying in a separate section of the site all of a mods actions so that users could see whether they are moderating fairly.

Illegal stuff or things that violate site-wide rules is different, perhaps mods should have a different button when they delete illegal stuff or doxxing, and although the stuff would vanish right away, admins would be able to see what they deleted and boot them if they are abusing the function to censor. That requires trust in admins though, and I don't know of any way to proceed that doesn't require trusting someone.

There's the idea of trust networks that may solve this whole problem in the long term maybe. But the idea hasn't been tested and it's not clear that it wouldn't be subverted by people declaring 'trust' in each other factionally, to further their agenda.

Lots of ideas to be tried. I believe that online forums that delete illegal stuff as well as doxxing and abuse, whilst not being able to descend into censorship of inconvenient ideas, are possible in principle. We just need the right algorithms to crowdsource trust from the users.

EDIT2: How can I have a comment like this and not have a gif? Hugs to all! :D

Darn it... was just about to call you out on it.

I guess my use of those subreddits was a bad example. Shock imagery means nothing to me and I make sure that if I don't want to see it, I don't visit that sub. I guess my point was to try and find a way to stop subs encourage things such as violence against women, or pedophilia. There will be subs that are created that might be legal technically, but the overall intent is clearly illegal. It's that type of thing that I have a problem with, I just didn't do a very good job of conveying it.

Do you guys practice vo(a)te fuzzing?

I see some features of what RES does/did for Reddit were implemented here, any plans on including some more (like inline pictures)?

I want to change my username ;_:

Is it possible?

why do you let /v/shitvoaterssay exist? it is literally the reason reddit went to shit. nobody would complain if you banned it.

What kind of stupid fucking faggot retard idiot pieces of cock shit do you have to be to include gifs instead the superior format on the top bar? What next? a fucking dvd forum.

Thanks

Nah, the team is just @ko and zook. However, DanielFlamino, Nurdoidz, and... I think it was PutItOut, are all major contributors and considered part of the team.

I'll use askreddit as an example. If they never deleted content, it'll be like it was before. Just loads of sex questions and asking for porn links.

While some may like it, the majority don't even if they get outnumbered by the votes. We've all seen in it, in all large subreddits. Democracy doesn't work on reddit and it won't when voat gets larger.

The other thing is, there is actually blatant racism on reddit. It's not like "KILL ALL BLACKS", but a hyperbolic accurate representation would be, as I have already said, "I'm not racist, but I hate all black people.

Reddit is primarily composed of white neckbeards.

Let it go dude, it's just giving them what they want.

This all sounds great. What about today's grab for subverses by /pol/?

How do you plan to keep SJWs from this site? I mean, what will be the fine line between moderation and censorship when someone voices their opinions?

I'm not a SJW by any means and, despite being main a lurker all around on Reddit, I'm just glad I have a new place to discuss anything, anyhow.

PS: My account on Reddit is not "Parnassus".

I'm not acting like I'm being attacked. I am being attacked. You called me an SJW, which is an attack on me, because I am not an SJW.

That being said, perhaps a better representation of reddit would be "DAE LE SMOKE WEED", "HAHAHAHA NIEL SMOKEDEGRASS TYSON IS INFALLIBLE", and "FUCK RELIGION AMIRITE?".

And I literally fucking said it was a hyperbole. It's not like I said "this is exactly what everyone on reddit is like".

>This makes me think you likely are an SJW and that's why people call you one.

Pulling insults out of your ass is another reddit thing.

Fuckin ad hominems

Whatevs I'll just make a VNGmod account or something for all mods to use.

Is there a Voat Enhancement Suite?

Good one.

Interesting. My moderating list is currently sitting at 14:

• /v/CustomizingVoat (owner) (post-update)
• /v/FamishedForest (owner) (post-update)
• /v/gifs (mod)
• /v/HTML (mod) (post-update)
• /v/Journal (owner)
• /v/LifeNotes (owner) (post-update)
• /v/MinityDark (owner)
• /v/movies (mod)
• /v/music (mod)
• /v/Nurdoidz (owner)
• /v/pics (mod)
• /v/Planate (owner)
• /v/SeriousDiscussion (owner) (post-update)
• /v/Typogra (owner)

(9 owned, 5 moderating)

Five of these subs have been created/moderated after the 10-sub update.

I want to create a new subverse, but i'm on mobile and can't find that option anywhere. And where's the search bar?

So I tried to see if there is an /r/voat on Reddit and of course it's private but claims "This subreddit is a place to discuss the possibility that voat.co is an NSA operation to lure the most extremist of Redditors to a honeypot of radical ideas and to track their i.p. addresses and place them on a global watch list."

What do you say to that?

Are you guys using the open source reddit code that you have just modified?

You are not mistaken. Though, I'm not sure exactly how it plays into being owners of subverses.

Good one.

You don't actually believe that, do you? I mean, it doesn't even make sense. Both GG and anti GG people doxxed each other. Both were shadowbanned for doing it. It's just there were a LOT more GGers doing it so more of them were shadowbanned. Also, GGers are some of the most entitled little shits so they whined a shitload louder about how unfair it was for them to be shadowbanned.

Well, not lurking. haha But no voating without having comment points. I like to make posts and discuss things, but I rarely have many people voat on comments. Anyway.

Toxic right-wing cult shills

My god you are cringe GOLD.

I like to argue. So do you, clearly. What's your point?

Sorry, im a bit eager to start. Those subs dont get any posts, so i though it wouldn't hurt to get them a bit cleaned up. I also want to be there before some SRS drone tries to take over and shits up another website.

I think SJW is just a term for people who disagree with you on Reddit for the most part. With the Archangelle in your name, I'd assume that you're part of /r/ShitRedditSays, so I'd liken it to the way that many followers of said subreddit consider anyone who disagrees with them an MRA.

Don't take this as an insult or anything, as I don't 100% disagree with you guys on everything - I would argue that "mildly progressive" can be a slight understatement in some cases though. I do have a question or two though if you don't mind, considering that you seem to be a mod of SRS (again, going by the Archangelle).

Firstly, is contextual power a suitable replacement to institutional power in the racism = prejudice + power thing? Secondly, if not, does being prejudiced/bigoted make you as much of a twat/dick (whichever you prefer; I know you guys ain't fond of gendered slurs but the word twat is vital to my Britishness and continued survival) as being racist by the aforementioned definition? I mean, if you're racist by that definition I don't like you, but if you're racist by the dictionary definition but not the academic definition I still don't like you, if you get what I'm saying, because that person is still a bit of a bastard.

Thanks. I was going to ask these on SRS at some point, but this is a good opportunity to talk to a possible mod and not get the slightly typical "lol stupid questions" response. My friends and I have been talking about these, and hearing different opinions is interesting, particularly since one person is pretty "Tumblr-esque" to use the Reddit definition, and another is thinking of voting UKIP soon as a protest vote. Thanks!

toxic

Thats an SJW no no word, sure ur not a SRS shill?

This isn't tactics, disagreeing with something someone said is normal discussion.

Lets settle up like Gentlemen, eh sir? tips fedora

Citation needed. And you better post something that isn't an HTML element altered text screenshotted.

Fair point, although my game was to counter one example with another view on the same example. Given my evidence was anecdotal (someone saying they told kamen to appoint different mods, but wouldn't listen) and so is the evidence of the person i was replying to, on this example we're a draw. Right?

So, to defend my position, i have to bring up other evidence which makes the original comments "this happened, so this is how the admins act every time, on every subreddit" out to be a false generalization.

What about /r/xkcd, which for a long time, was squatted by an inactive mod soccer (who posted once every 2 months so as not to be /r/redditrequest'able), and a bunch of kamen alts below it, which were IP banned when he got chucked1, then when kamen got chucked, the next lowest down mod redditrequested the sub and merged it with /r/xkcd, like the userbase mostly wanted (even counting the SRD/SRS-lite brigaders inserting themself into the drama).

Review some evidence: 2 3 4 5

Some of which corroborates my story of kamen rolling a lot of alts, and having been "chucked" or banned sitewide, permanently, and any identified future alts will be banned too, by IP addres, i.e. ALL alts that the mods can see belong to the user.

So, back to my point, this is an example of One User vs the Admins, not the admins conspiring against all users in the Name of The Mighty Fempire.

Anyway, lets continue with the rest of your post:

Yeah, after banning all the mods of that subreddit, including the ones belonging to different people.

You just yourself used [Citation Needed] (dank meme bro) then go against the spirit of that by asserting something unprovable by either of us, only the admins know that for a fact.

Classic disinformation tactic, avoiding the content and attacking the origin of the content without any valid foundation.

The origin of the content?! Like ad hominem? I dont understand how im attacking the user and not the words they're saying. They're making unfounded generalizations about all of reddit on an isolated event.

Im not discrediting their source (there was none) rather than refuting their point, im not saying the user is a "conspiratard" (personal attacks), i said they were spinning an exaggerated claim about all admins from one event.

You use the words "valid foundation", but im not sure whats invalid about calling someone out on saying ALL REDDIT ADMIN ARE A SHIT with only one recent drama to base that on, what foundation do i need to escape your Le Forum Spies dogma trap?

Then don't exaggerate, bitch.

Meanwhile, you just esentially went "no u". I'm well aware im trying to bitchslap a retard here, and im probably wasting my time, but it was fun all the same. Good day sire, *tip* *tip* *tip*

:)

We disagree, and you can't handle that.

Will you limit moderators to a number of subverses per IP or something like that? So no one can become a power user like on reddit.

However, last time I mentioned egalitarianism to the great SRS/SRD SJW overlords I was met with downvotes and rollseye comments.

That actually has more to do with the word itself than what you meant by it. Many people associate "egalitarian" with white MRAs because that's who's usually using it. The ideas behind egalitarianism itself are completely in line with what they believe. They just don't like the word because it's usually used when someone is arguing against or dismissing feminism. In fact, feminism strives for egalitarianism.

A strong inclination to either side of the argument is right-wing, complete disagreement with either side of the argument is right-wing. Both Feminism and Men's Rights have their forms of extremist and right-wing views.

I suppose that argument could be made. I personally think it's only true in rare cases. Especially because MRAs mostly self identify as "libertarians", but that's mostly because they're largely middle to upper class straight white men who would most benefit from a weaker government. And while libertarians don't entirely fall all the right side of the line, that's where they are for the most part.

By clear and obvious definition: opposing the rights of Men is not liberal behavior.

Many many many people who disagree with you. You're again misinterpreting things. They don't oppose the rights of men, they oppose the "Men's Rights Movement™". It's a very important distinction. They see many flaws within the MRM™ and their criticisms of it are not an attack on the rights of men.

Just glad to see you working on Voat to make it better. The color changes have helped a lot. Thanks!

Why can i not post a link if it has already been posted before?

Also, can you grand me moderation over /v/communism, /v/socialism and /v/anarchism. All the mods are inactive and I would like to prevent what happened on reddit. Special attention goes to /r/communism, since the mods seems to have quite strong sjw tendencies. Or should i post on /r/subverserequest ?

Thank you in advance, this place looks pretty cool, especially in comparison to reddit.

Also, why dont you have user e-mail support, or did i just miss it?

Good luck!

Edit: You dont automatically upvote your own comment and you can upvote your own post, even though it starts at a base score of one.

What do you think of limiting the amount of subs a moderator can moderate by IP?

Wow your brain must really hurt after stringing together that faulty rationalisation. I mean, surely it would have been easier to just accept that there are people who don't agree with you.

You guys want an echo chamber even more than SRS. You guys really have a lot more in common than you're willing to admit. The only difference is people would laugh in your face if you spoke your views in real life. At least SRS is on the right side of history while you guys look like the final KKK members who can't admit they've lost.

However, if you get banned from one of the metasubreddits there is a chance you will get shadowbanned

Correlation is not causation. Sure, you might get banned from a sub for posting personal info and then ALSO get shadowbanned by the admins. But the only way in which the two are connected is that you shared personal info. It broke both the subreddit's rules and the site-wide rules. So that makes sense. I get the feeling you were trying to imply that somehow mods have influence over the admins and can get them to shadowban someone if want. Not true.

• supposedly if you have been expressing left-wing views, that's more likely to happen.

Huh? You're saying the admins are after liberals? That's an interesting take. I mean, SJWs are the ones on the liberal side of things...

not sure what to make of the SJW cabal conspiracy, there are no extremely good arguments on either side

Exactly. The whole thing is ridiculous.

however preferential behavior toward certain mods (that mod far too many subs) has been demonstrated.

Maybe. I mean, mods do A LOT of work that the admins would need to do if mods didn't exist. So of course admins appreciate mods. Especially mods who enforce reddit's rules. I see no problem with this. Though I don't think they're given any more leeway on things, they just get more attention from the admins.

Again, the difference is subtle and, again, likely not visible to an right-wing such as yourself.

Yeah, I'm not sure you have much of an understanding of the political spectrum and what it means.

Reddit is actually censoring: http://www.reddit.com/user/metaredditcancer

Um... things get banned when they break the rules. Is that really that difficult to understand? They were witch-hunting and doxxing mods they didn't like. Of course it got banned. Enforcing rules is not censorship.

What does "shill" mean to you?

When are you going to release an API that isn't read-only?

Keep who out? People with different views?

Did you just unironically call me a shill?

Someone should tell that to all the redditors who freak out whenever they get banned from a subreddit.

I am subscribed almost exclusively to small subreddits, and I don't care much about the drama that you guys choose to deal with. Are you planning to grow into small niches, or will you be trying to coax the circlejerk on the front page into a different direction, thereby cloning it in the process?

My only concern with this is that it is hosted with C# which means it uses window server which is also apart of the prism. Do you plan on moving to a bsd or linux at some point? Also when do you plan on adding email to the account for recovery? And do you plan on allowing us to post and navigate the site without javascript Most of us on a unix system find this annoying.

SJW = Social Justice Warrior = buzzword for "Authoritarian who puts their feelings before facts"

FTFY.

Anti-SJW = anti-progressive is a popular SJW meme, since it's easier to pretend that their detractors are conservative nutjobs than to actually defend their radical feelpinions.

There were multiple people behind the 'sockpuppet' accounts

Nah, i overheard kamen refused to mod up other people as a defence. I heard that here, although thats no reliable source. But it cant be proven either way round. Unless you can provide proof of yours?

And I figured you were the metacancer the way you try to deflect the discussion using disinformation tactics.

Qualify that. Disagreement is deflection? Asking for evidence if disinformation. You need to put down The Gentlemans Guide To Forum Spies and think about what you're saying actually means, look them up.

Makes me feel like im talking to a 14 year old pothead.

At least thanks for admitting it, makes it easier to filter out the cancer.

No love lost, but before i go, what is metacancer? People deep into reddit you dont like? Or something seedier and more sinister? Please explain what metacancer is to you.

I suppose you will say burden of proof is a trolling tactic too huh? This is the standards that create hugboxes and echochambers as epic as SRS/tumblr.

disinformation

How is this disinformation? Im asking for proof of an extraordinary claim, not spreading extraordinary claims of my own which are false, that would be disinformation.

"Calling out my fellow tinfoil hatters disinformation is disinformation, i used a big word, so it must be true."

Keep on truckin

Switzerland, actually.

49 minutes. Oh god. This again, i listened to this ages ago, and they were equating moderator bans to shadowbans, which makes this a shit source of information, in ease of understanding (49 RAMBLING MINUTES), in accuracy, in you simply being able to answer the fucking question and name names. Plus its like a "i heard from my friend" kind of source, at least Kamen links lots of facts.

Plus the fact the admins hand our anti-SJW subreddits to SJW's like candy after banning all the moderators.

One event. One moderator. 10 Sockpuppets. One ban across all puppets. Subs with no active accounts moderating it are free to petition for takeover, just like here: /v/subverserequest.

I reckon you've read the massive redpill post on askreddit.

I read it, it was nothing new, i am the metacancer. Reading one source (kamens pasta) of information doesn't make you able to even name names of admins who are "SRS" though, are you really aware of whats going on, or just following the lead?

It's even more fun to replace SJW with Jew! Hold on, I've got a good comment from a (over the internet ofc, idk him irl) mate of mine...

Hmm, I can't find it so I've PMed him to about it but here's one I made immediately after:

Over the past few years, we've seen the world go full Jewish. The last straw was the UN Security Council, when it said that goyim have died, but somehow that only applies to strong allah worshipers.

I recently saw this graph that the countries we've been shelling have increased in population, And yes, I agree, that is true.

The world predicted dozens of times that we will die. And they haven't succeeded yet. We have been doing this for many years now. They will ALWAYS have to notice us until we die. My ancestors survived mass genocide at one point... we can easily keep this up for FIFTY years tops.

Gaza now has MORE population than Tel-Aviv for months now. And Tel-Aviv used to be the center of the world's Jews.

As for other Jews, they are now fighting each other and arguing over the most trivial bits.

Still Alive.

Some of the admins are aligned with SRS

Name names.

The problem is, reddit (where a lot of the Voat community is from) loves to label literally everything as an SJW. I call someone out for saying something racist and they're like "durr but I said I'm not racist you're just a stupid SJW fuck you". And when I try to tell them that they actually were being racist, they're like "ugh stupid SJW can't be reasoned with".

On another note, I dislike both sides of the "rights" spectrum. SJWs are all like "HURR DURR KILL ANYBODY WHO IS CISGENDER, WHITE, OR MALE" and reddit is the opposite, "DURR HURR KILL ANYBODY WHO IS GAY, NOT WHITE, OR FEMALE". This is obviously a generalisation and hyperbole, but it paints the picture quite well, don't you think?

On another note, I called out an SJW on tumblr and they completely freaked out at me and called me a racist white demon. They got the racist and white part wrong :P.

I absolutely hate the rampant racism on reddit.

"Hurr I'm not racist but I hate all black people lololol politically correct cause I said I'm not racist amirite now give me upvotes"

And I absolutely agree with the upvote anything. There are literally users which go into threads and UPVOTE EVERY SINGLE COMMENT in a thread that they reply to. Holy fucking shit.

Is there any other information that explains it not coming from conspiracy?

The website is a little slow .

I have, but one suggestion, do not ever, under any circumstances, call yourself the front page of the internet or some similar bullshit.

In hindsight that was when Reddit started to turn sour, the hubris of the hipsterdom in charge.

one mind, one voat.

Ooooh are we playing the "replace words" game? I've got a few for SJW posts. Replace "men" "white" "cis" or "straight" with anything else, and you can see just how bigoted SJWs are!

Oh! And a built in polling feature would be great.

Will there be a way to gild comments? It's always fun to highlight really good comments.

Or buy a reddit-gold like premiums subscription? There's lots of potential for some sort of paid premium features. Reddit gold is such a great idea, but there's little to no reason to actually upgrade. If there were some additional features to give incentive to upgrade to whatever Voat's version of Reddit Gold is, then I would likely be very happy to shell out.

What's your stance on people running bots (autowikibot or any gimmick bot)?

I was going to ask whether this was just a clone of reddit, but already I see the formatting on the commenting is much better. Instead, I ask, what things do you think set Voat apart from sites such as reddit?

Nice to meet you guys. This looks like a cool place with a lot of potential. How do you intend to expand it? Are you going to be advertising? Also, with a predicted influx of reddit users, will you be upgrading your servers and working on better site speed?

(Last thing: If any of you are in the neighbourhood, I'm starting a set on uncensored Canadian politics. So far I've got ONpol, ABpol, and BCpol up. Still working on the other provinces and territories :) You should drop by!)

I think the idea of voting on mods would be a game changer for voat, and allow it to be more than just a reddit clone

They are actually offended, you know. All of this business has created actual feelings of persecution in white males. It's no wonder they're paranoid about SJWs policing reddit... they've been convinced that armies of 16-year-old girls on tumblr are being mobilized to hate their guts and overthrow the patriarchy.

Given that they used to rag on SRS and SJWs for always "looking to be offended", it's ironic that they're the ones who are offended now. But that's the crux of this whole biscuit, isn't it? They feel like they can connect the dots all the way back to the SCUM Manifesto.

However, I do support a notion that deleted submissions and comments should still be easily accessible, albeit in a small section of the subverse sidebar or something.

No, this is a bad idea. Content is deleted for a reason, eg. CP or other bad content. And saying that "just don't display it if that's the reason" then all it needs is putting CP as the reason every time.

The difference is brigading is also an expression of your opinion.

What is the recommended image host for Voat?

bullshit, if you condone sex with dogs and viewing pics of dead kids to get you off, then fuck you. I don't want to be a part of your site. If you want to to say that Muslims are scum, or atheists are dirt bags, or any other party line I am fine with that. But do not tell me that looking at pics of dead kids is even remotely productive. Saying is not the same doing.

What do you think of my new mascot Design??

Meet V.O.A.T. BOT (v1 prototype)!

http://i.imgur.com/1yhzJhs.jpg (v1)

This is a bullshit argument. Who likes murdering babies? What if they are mentally handicapped kids? is it OK to kill them to enrich the argument.

I would love something similar to RedditSync it is so good.

I think that is a bullshit answer. Do you really think that posting pics of people having sex with dogs is ok? or people posting pics of dead kids is ok? fuck no it's mot OK and there is a place to say so. You can still have free speech but remove the shit content, dont think you have to allow everything in order to abide by certain rules.

I am for everything.Let's get freedom flow.

So... /r/SRS's specialty for which they have been continuously acquitted while others have been shadowbanned for lesser "brigading"?

You're asserting as fact things that have no evidence to support them. Admins have stated that they DO shadowban brigaders from SRS regularly. But they also have said SRS subscribers brigade at a much lesser frequency than almost all other meta subreddits. This is why /r/niggers was banned and why SRS has not been banned.

I don't know why you're so obsessed with your agenda that you had to come here from /r/SRS to defend it, but I'll wish you a good day from here on out as it seems you're not particularly interested in budging from your uncompromisable position as a social justice ideologue.

I made a single comment in SRS YEARS ago and was banned. I know lumping me in with a hated group makes it easier to dismiss me, but please just address my points.

But you won't be able to read them there either.

The difference between Voat and Reddit is that you won't be shadowbanned / have the community you built taken from you solely on the basis of having differing ideologies.

The only example of that anyone has been able to show me doesn't seem to have any evidence supporting the accusation that reddit admins shadowbanned people or banned subreddits simply because of ideological differences. It seems MUCH more likely that the bannings happened because rules were broken, such as vote manipulation, brigading, and witch-hunting.

You can't impose your will & rules upon someone else's community and you shouldn't be able to do such a thing.

Exactly. So why's everyone so upset with reddit?

I see you are using "The frontpage of the Universe" on Facebook. Is that a phrase you plan on using as Voat's title? I feel like that is a jab at Reddit, as well as a potential IP-infringement suit.

What's the backend language/stack used to develop voat? Is it a copy of reddit's code? Or was it developed from the ground up?

Also, will it be open sourced?

People need to understand that bad things being allowed to exist is the price of not having overmoderation and all sorts of other bad things that reddit does. We choose the subverses we subscribe to, we can endorse or condone content that is good or bad by voting, and we are never forced to look at anything we don't want to when we can just click away or unsubscribe. It strikes me as a rather immature way of dealing with the world, where people just want the grownups to get rid of the stuff they don't like.

Looking good so far, keep up the good work!

Will you do anything to prevent users from getting 200 plus subverses to mod on? That is pretty bad on Reddit, with certain users modding 200 plus subreddits

What is the purpose of the "no lurking" policy. I comment, but it may take me years to get 20 comment points. Also, just thank you.

So even voat's issues are reddit's fault?

I see no evidence of that.

There is an ongoing discussion on this topic in /v/ideasforvoat. Please join in and help us come up with a mechanism that can help minimize mod corruption, if not completely eliminate. Thanks!

Did you change the name to Voat specifically to ruin my username?

memes?

Reddit refugee here, is their a way to keep corporate propaganda of this site?

Will the website enable image posting?

As of now, spread the word online and in real life :)

Another way of help would be the writing of a Wikipedia article or to help get us into media. If you (or any other interested person) can help us with that, please let us know by PM!

Soon, we will also accept donations and launch a Kickstarter campaign :)

First question, how are you receiving donations right now? I don't think you have something like reddit gold right now.

Second question, how are you planning to avoid abuse form the mods of the subverses? Ideally content should be deleted only if it is spam, or illegal, or has no connection with the subverse. However, on reddit, subreddits are mostly censored because the big subreddits come up with several dozens of rules. So even if a topic is popular, sometimes it just gets deleted because of ridiculous reasons, title not named correctly, source not approved, triggering content, etc.

Please neuter mod power here.

Tumblr isn't bad, though I see SJW shit sometimes. Someone actually messaged me denouncing me as a racist and then going on to call white people demons. lol bro I'm Asian (and also a Slav which were not traditionally considered white). Anyway I then went ahead and responded to them with a long paragraph calling them out on their bullshit and that actually got a few likes so clearly not all is lost.

1. There should be no major changes to default stylesheets as far as I'm aware. They were designed by @nurdoidz and he's being very careful not to break things for users who stylized their subs. He also released several other themes which could be a good starting point if you plan to style your own sub.

2. Yes. This feature is quite challenging and it will take some time to do. I'm hoping I get some help from @puttitout on this one actually because my #1 priority right now is the sets layout.

3. Beside the automod, there isn't much in the backlog that I am aware of. Feel free to jump in /v/ideasforvoat and tell us what you think should be implemented. Thanks!

Someone said only purely offensive post will be censored?I hope this is not the case.

What you linked to was a whole lot of crazy gibberish that basically said a sub was deleted by admins with no explanation given.

You're assuming it wasn't deleted for many of the valid reasons admins often remove things. Likely vote manipulation or some pitchforking and harassment going on. Sure, I'm all for more transparency, but you're jumping straight to censorship when there isn't any strong evidence of it in that situation.

What's the good word?

Getting away from SJW and Reddit, I have a question for you guys:

The community is still small, and many things are changing daily. I signed up when the website was still woahverse, and already I can see a large change. How do you guys plan to help maintain the growth of the site without losing quality as more trolls and people that desire to watch the world burn discover and start wreaking havok?

I've only ever seen reddit admins delete cp, dox, ads, witch-hunts, and harassment. Whenever people complained about censorship, they were talking about stuff MODs deleted or banned, not admins.

Also, it seems like voat goes even further with censoring deleted submissions than reddit does. When you go to a deleted submission on voat, the title is still visible, but the actual submitted link is replaced with one that goes to the voat homepage.

We applied to register a company in Zurich, Switzerland. I live in Sweden (I did my exchange semester over in Zurich last year) and I plan to relocate to Zurich (my GF is already there).

This has been up for two hours and already has 174 comments holy shit

1) 2 people, Atko and me. We are from Bosnia/Sweden and Luxembourg respectively and met in Zurich, Switzerland :) Also @puttitout, @nurdoidz, @danielflamino helped a great deal to make the site!

2) This is not a top priority right now, but we will keep you posted, it is definitely on the list.

don't feed the troll

It's just another reddit. No different. Both are pro-censorship, they just choose different things to censor.

So voat isn't for me unless I'm into cp, dox, ads, witch-hunts, and/or harassment?

So if I don't like those things, voat isn't for me? Will I be censored if I speak against those things?

What resources do you need to grow your Content Delivery Network? How can we become part of your team?

Can you talk about the story behind Voat.co and why you decided to work on it.

Also, who are the voat team as of now?

What are differences in laws bewteen USA and Switzerland in terms of freedom of speech . USA has basicaly absolute freedom of speech, is it the same in Switzerland or are there any restrictions you are obligated to enforce (i.e. hate speech, holocaust denying etc...)

What's allowed here that isn't allowed on reddit?

What is that yellow creature and does voat have a mascot?

First of all thank you for valuing freedom of speech and choosing that as such a centeral aspect of your site but I have a question pretty relevant to that. What are your stances on the following:

• Doxxing of a user A by user B. It could be argued that it is user B's freedom of speech to yell out those specific pieces of information about user A however it could also be argued that person A is in actual danger from the information leak. What would you do?

• Another instance of "The Fappening". Those pictures were not only private pictures that were leaked but private pictures of actors who have gone to great lengths to trademark their image and likeness. They will most likely issue DMCA takedown requests to you and if not you then your server host. What will you do?

• Piracy. It is illegal by US law (to my understanding) and I am assuming voat is a US based company and at least hosted on US based servers. What will you do?

• Hate speech / Harassment / stalking / etc.

Essentially I am trying to gauge the length that the admins will go to, to defend their stance on "freedom of speech". and its different interpretations by different people, through asking a few difficult questions. Thank you for your work, effort, and time.

Edit: Bonus question: What are you willing to do in regards to child pornography? (such as what will eventually happen at /v/jailbait)

So the only difference is that CP, dox, advertising, witch-hunting, and harassment will be allowed by voat admins?

Why's everyone so excited about that?

So the only difference is that CP, dox, advertising, witch-hunting, and harassment will be allowed by voat admins?

I don't see why anyone would be excited about that.

Sorry about the captcha. It will go away after a while (our server is suspicious about new users) but we definitely need a better solution. I hate captchas as much as you do.

I approached the developer of redreader to see if he would be interested to join our team. We are looking into this and trying to recruit a talented dev for Android and one more for iOS and believe me, nobody would be happier than me if there was a Voat Android app :)

Isn't the entire point of voat that people wanted to escape the censorship on reddit? How can they ensure that if mods can still delete stuff they don't like? I just don't see how this is going to be any different than reddit.

What's you guy's favorite ice cream flavor?

Also, do you have any pets? Please post pictures if so.

Hey guys,

I think it is fantastic that you guys are creating an alternative here.

One feature that I think should be obligatory is that no posts, except those with illegal content, can ever be permanently deleted. There should be a repository in every subverse that shows every moderated post and comment.

This is a feature that the Indymedia sites used to use to maintain moderator transparency, which is the biggest problem at "similar sites".

Yeah, I could do that. Or I could just post it on reddit where it probably won't be deleted. I just fail to see what the point of voat is and how it's different from reddit.

The whole anti-censorship thing is really starting to look like it's just simply pro-censorship anti-SJW.

It's true though. I've had several posts deleted.

If mods have the same powers here as on reddit, what's the point? If voat was started to escape the censorship on reddit, how is it going to do this if mods can still delete stuff they don't like?

Is there an explanation anywhere for the moderation ranks? 1, 2 and 3 - what are the different powers for each?

Also why can't I view a "tree" of a PM discussion?

Are any of you jews? :)

On a more serious note. Is there a "feedback" sub that we could put forth suggestions in?

I agree. However, isn't the entire point of voat that people wanted to escape the censorship on reddit? How can they ensure that if mods can still delete stuff they don't like? I just don't see how this is going to be any different than reddit.

@Teh_Sauce_Guy is already working on VPP, or Voat++

Thanks for creating the place, so many of us from reddit have been looking for a place to leave to for ages.

How do plan on ensuring that SJW's don't fuck this place up too ?

What administrative polices will be in place to ensure your admins aren't selectively enforcing the rules ? The biggest problem on reddit is that SRS has the implicit and explicit backing of the Admin and senior management team, which has allowed them to run riot.

How can you protect against that ?

I upvoated you not your opinion.

SANDSHREW4LYFE

Nope, nobody of us has an account on Tumblr.

Me right now

What are you guys going to do about corrupt/SJW mods/admins coming from reddit to get a share here ?

How will the sudden influx of users change Voat, and how do you plan on maintaining the integrity of the site despite the new users?

When im on reddit im a redditor, when im on 4chan im a channer, when im on twitter im a twat and when im on 8chan im a newfag.

So now im on Voat, what am i?

Is voat anti-censorship? Many of my posts keep being deleted.

What is your plan for child porn and doxing?

No censorship seems paramount but where is the line drawn?

One of the reasons people are looking for an alternative to reddit is reddit's shady mod policy. What are you going to do to assure transparency and prevent power tripping mods to negatively effect communities?

How do i join the team, and what qualifications do i need in order to join the team?

What do you think will be the spark to get a majority of redditors to move to voat? Would this would be something the community here might want since it would be bring traffic but the cancer? Would it just start things all over again?

Will my username work?

The current API is read-only, so first we'll need an update to that to enable voting/submitting. Until then you could develop a "read-only" app though.

On the About page for Voat, there are two areas of improvement that you see over "the other guys": more openness and better usability / features.

What areas of improvement are most important to you, and what kind of development roadmap do you have for the next year?

What motivated the creation of Voat?

Do you guys think the voting system is detrimental to the overall sites health? I think that brigading and and envy for internet karma really set Reddit back. Unidan is good example of its abuse and the voting system is directly responsible for it. The only way I see it being able to survive is to make sure everyone maintains one and only one account. Which is probably impossible. Do you guys plan on looking into this?

Do you have any plans to get others known about voat like advertizing? It was lucky that you got the influx today but I can't see it happening at this rate in the future and I think it's necessary to start showing more people that voat exists.

Hello,

Firstly I would like to thank you for creating Voat I have only been here a few days but I have already feel more at home here than I ever did at Reddit so far I have been able to openly discuss and post things without fear of insta-deletion and massive downvotes plus I really like the features here the @ and auto linkage of subverses and gif in threads are very nice and I love the colour scheme and logo its easier on the eye.

I suppose the burning question for most newcomers is what are the proposed different solutions or measures to avoid Voat becoming exactly like Reddit once the userbase grows, and what will be done to stop or sanction power mad and unfair moderators that may crop up on here?

With that in mind so far my experiences here have been positive and there is a real feeling of community which presently I think users really need right now! Great job on it so far especially with the promise of partnering through paid content creation on the horizon. I think Voat has really taken some good strides in the right direction and hopefully we all can continue to work together to improve it! :)

Bonus Question: Charmander, Bulbasaur or Squirtle?

Can anyone explain how anything about voat will stop the same feminist loons from just taking over everything here the same way they have on reddit?

How do you plan on competing with reddit, or do you plan on competing at all?

Alternatively, what do you want to do better here than reddit does?

It's fucking horrible

I want to address I concern I have on places like 4chan/reddit/etc. While I think we all agree that there shouldn't be censorship which is obviously occurring over at reddit and 4chan, I have a real problem with people creating subs similar to r/picsofdeadkids r/jailbait r/sexwithanimals etc. I certainly embrace anyone to say what they want, no matter how offensive but I think allowing certain subs to exist is detrimental to this site. Free speech and open discussion should be encouraged but I would love to see some sort of site-wide voting system to determine if a sub violates a certain "code of ethnics" As long as it's not illegal it's allowed is a nice thing to say, but illegal is a slippery slope. Illegal where? Switzerland? the US, anywhere in the world, if it's illegal it's out? what if it's legal in the states and not in the UK, do we default to it being legal?

I ask this because I really have a problem with a lot of the shit on reddit and I find it increasingly hard to support a site that feels it's OK post pics of people having sex with animals but you can't talk about gamergate. That right there is some fucked up logic.

Thanks for making this site.

edit: to remove the hyperlinks to the subs i mentioned.

no questions, just a complimentary awesome site

Hi there! Thanks for the site. Questions: what are your short term/long term plans for monetization, if there are any at all? If this influx continues, maintaining the servers might not be cheap.

What's your long term vision for the site?

Are you guys going to be taking any action against witch-hunting groups that have caused huge problems in the past for Reddit?

Hey, thanks for creating an alternative, it's nice to see different ways things can be run. I was a long time lurker on Reddit, and enjoyed the intellectual and interesting articles and discussions when it first started out. However, I noticed that with an increasing population it seemed that comments that only contained terrible one line jokes or obscure meta-memes were often the ones to be seen at the top. I guess that's to be expected with the general population involved as we usually succumb to the lowest common denominator in form of entertainment but it would be nice to see some kind of intellectual discussion being encouraged and somewhat maintained - maybe a system that people can elect to be part of that would automatically filter out entire comment chains based on peoples tags.

Does Voat have any intention on censoring comments that are only jokes in serious posts? Or anything of this nature? I know it's kinda like making it a club for smart people, but being all inclusive has it's own problems too.

I've been reading a lot of hype about why Voat is supposed to be superior to Reddit, but to me it really looks like an exact copy of Reddit. How is this site different? Also, what plans do you have in place to prevent the mods from becoming power-hungry, like on Reddit? I think a simple solution would be to allow all the members of a subverse the right to 'Voat' a mod's power away at any point. Or maybe you could upvote or downvote the mods like a post, and if a mod gets too many downvotes they're locked out. Would you guys ever consider implementing a system that gave the general population the power to select the moderators of their forums, instead of having each subverse run by it's own clique of users?

Edit: Spelling

Is your site hosted at a provider in Germany?

If I'm initially limited to 10 upvotes every 24 hours, I understand that you guys might have coded it as clicking the upvote arrow 10 times but is it really necessary that I not be allowed to undo my upvotes?

Hello thank you and good luck.

Is there any possibility of having some kind of moderation log publicly viewable and optional for all subvoats or is this a very hard thing to do ?

Other than that I wish you all the best of luck and hope this thing really takes off for you.

Where is the best place to get voat's usage statistics?

Where can I buy a Voat tshirt?

Where are you openly discussing functionality?

Looking at the site, some functionality that people like would help improve the site. We understand this can't be done over night.

Features I miss, or might like include:

• Ability to hide up and downvoted stories from my view.

• Hide button, but maybe make it the space between the up & down vote buttons (e.g. the number), so that way people don't downvote stories just to get them out of their view.

• Mobile interface for phone.

• RES style functionality to extend VOAT.

Beyond that, thanks for stepping up! If you create a better platform, the people will follow.

From what I've seen, a lot of people here are expressing concerns about "SJW" types. Since this is about "no censorship," can I ask if they are also not going to be censored - a la /v/ShitVoatSays or something? I may not agree with them on a whole lot of things, but I like reddit because I can still get exposed to that sort of stuff. If I had to constantly deal with everyone having the same views I'd go bonkers.

• How do you feel about shadowbanning?
• Are you willing to do a monthly disclosure, about court orders filed against voat?(Ex: Every month you add a row that states "For the last month we have not beed forced to share user information or we do not have a gag order on any ongoing investigation." and in the case where you have the gag order you simply don't put this row, so users coud be made aware)

Do you think that what's going on with Reddit has a chance of happening here?

I'll post now so I don't forget: Have you been in communication with the Reddit admins at all? They must know of Voat by now - has any ill-well been expressed or do you and the Reddit guys support each other? Also, what are your plans for preventing Act II of the shitshow on Reddit?

I think the spike in users is due to Metaredditcancer posting this website on its subreddit

I'll dispense with the pleasantries, but know that this site is necessary and I will continuously support it in my own meager capacity. I have three questions.

Has consideration been made for user-side/mod-side considerate cross-consideration of non-global bans?

What advice can you offer the users in handshaking non-users to join the website?

What are your 3-5 year goals for the website?

Bonus Question: How crazy was the Redexodus for you?

What is your favorite Pokemon and why is it Sandshrew?

Hi,

First, I'd like to congratulate the Voat team for making a great site with lots of potential. Now to some questions:

1. How much money does it cost on average, per month, to run a site like this?
2. How well is this site currently equipped to handle these situations where there is a sudden influx of new users?
3. Any idea if/when you are going to start showing ads soon, or figuring some other way to stay afloat? My guess is that you people don't really earn any money from this site at the moment.

Thanks in advance!