I can't stand by and watch stuff like this happen around here. I will not support subverses (by featuring them or making them defaults) with moderators who impose questionable rules such as "your post has to end with a questionmark". Moderators need to calm their tits and focus on nurturing and growing their communities. Rules can always be bent and what better time to bend the rules then now, while Voat is still growing and under development?
I am thankful for moderators who help keep Voat spam-free and I respect your work. I really do. I started working on automoderator for comments and submissions and your job will be made much easier when this is implemented, but for the time being, moderators need to relax and focus on removing spam and eventual illegal content. If I submit a new post and it gains some traction (hundreds of comments, views and upvoats), and my post gets removed because I broke a rule by forgetting to include a question mark in my submission title... well, I would be pissed. People take removal of their comments and submissions very seriously and moderators must think twice before removing stuff if they want to avoid offending users. Voat has a ranking process where time acts as gravity and older posts will eventually fall off the frontpage. Voat also has automatic public moderation logs and everything you remove will still be visible in these modlogs and your actions may be questioned by the community, just like what happened yesterday.
This action can be reverted if /askvoat mods can convince us that the issue has been dealt with or if some other, less restrictive community takes over.
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Krael ago
The community is what Voat is. The subverses are places where the community can share content and have discussions. If the community doesn't like a sub, they'll go to a different one. Pretty simple concept.
Beers ago
That's not how it works at all.... Subverses depend on their name and subscriber count. People will not suddenly switch to AskVoat2 when the default one everyone else looks at is the original.
The truth is, there are core subs and side subs. AskVoat is core, just like Whatever, Funny, Aww, etc. I think you know what I mean. If a moderator starts creating conflict, the moderator is not doing their job, no matter what the rules are or how stupid the conflict is. Someone needs to delete spam, keep submissions of quality, etc, but if they cannot complete those tasks without generating conflict, they need to be replaced. It makes much more sense to replace a bad mod than move 50,000 subscribers and all new users to AskVoat#
HomerSimpson ago
It is how it works and it should be how it goes. Admins should not try to do a hostile takeover of a moderator's sub.
A community does not own the sub. The moderator does. The mod created it. They own it. Just because the community helps grow it does not mean they have full control. They have a huge claim in the sub but they don't own it. If it wasn't for the mod originally creating it it would not exist. They own it. And should own it.
assholepuke ago
Bullshit. The mod simply got there first. There are other people willing to take over that and not be complete douchebags. It's really strange that you seem to want to recreate the exact problems that are happening over at reddit.
HomerSimpson ago
I had 0 issues with mods being in full control on reddit. My issues came with the admins not the mods. Which seems to be repeating itself here.
assholepuke ago
Well, good for you. Most of us got sick of the mods of many subreddits censoring the shit out of all kinds of stuff and acting like little bitches on power trips. You are a mod over there aren't you?
HomerSimpson ago
Was a mod. My subreddit was the first sub to be banned. But I also didn't censor shit. Just because you are a mod does not make you literally hitler. There are tons of good mods.
assholepuke ago
Then why the fuck are you defending the shitty mods...or pretending that they weren't abundant over there? Are you just arguing for the sake or arguing? Or did you not regularly view the default subreddits? I honestly don't know how you could have missed the action over there.
HomerSimpson ago
Because I had zero issues with mods? Like I already said? I am not denying there are bad mods. I am saying I never had issues with them. Hell even the shitty offmychest mods fucking kissed my ass and cried to me(and the others) when they had their shitty problems.
The main issue is not the mods but the admins. They usually are the root to all issues. @Atko is starting to become what reddit was. He is starting to meddle when he shouldn't. He is already thinking of doing a hostile takeover the sub with his @system account thing but no one wants to say any of this. Praise the admins! They are always right!
assholepuke ago
You know, I agree with your points about the admins creating trouble and meddling. However, the position of "mod" seems like it's just redundant to the up/downvoat buttons. We really don't need any mods to remove spam, the users can simply downvoat it. Other than "she" (mod), I haven't even seen one yet on voat...and I like it that way. Why in the hell do we even need mods? Let spammers, trolls, and whoever else simply be downvoated.
HomerSimpson ago
I will say as a moderator of /v/fatpeoplehate mods are definitely needed. Here is why.
The mod's job is quality control. They remove shitposts that normally would have been upvoted so higher quality content can spread on the sub. This also includes reposts so posts that were on the sub a few days before won't rise to the top again.
They help keep the community intact in some way(of course it is different per sub but Mods are needed in this sense in a sub against fat people.)
I do agree that the community should be used to filter out some shitty content like spam/trolls. That is what the downvote button should be used for.
I am honestly a bit bias but if you want to see quality mod work you should look at the way we(the mods) handle stuff on /v/fatpeoplehate. The mods are level headed. The community agrees with the mods. The mods also agree with things the community wants(with minor exceptions.)