I can't stand by and watch stuff like this happen around here. I will not support subverses (by featuring them or making them defaults) with moderators who impose questionable rules such as "your post has to end with a questionmark". Moderators need to calm their tits and focus on nurturing and growing their communities. Rules can always be bent and what better time to bend the rules then now, while Voat is still growing and under development?
I am thankful for moderators who help keep Voat spam-free and I respect your work. I really do. I started working on automoderator for comments and submissions and your job will be made much easier when this is implemented, but for the time being, moderators need to relax and focus on removing spam and eventual illegal content. If I submit a new post and it gains some traction (hundreds of comments, views and upvoats), and my post gets removed because I broke a rule by forgetting to include a question mark in my submission title... well, I would be pissed. People take removal of their comments and submissions very seriously and moderators must think twice before removing stuff if they want to avoid offending users. Voat has a ranking process where time acts as gravity and older posts will eventually fall off the frontpage. Voat also has automatic public moderation logs and everything you remove will still be visible in these modlogs and your actions may be questioned by the community, just like what happened yesterday.
This action can be reverted if /askvoat mods can convince us that the issue has been dealt with or if some other, less restrictive community takes over.
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no_censorship_bruh ago
Even Atko is pissed :/
It's best to have discussion on subverse rules and let the community decide. That way, mods won't have to do all the heavy lifting and come up with their own rules. Providing a list of pros and cons to each rules with examples would also provide more insight as to how a rule can affect the community.
Feeds_On_Vegans ago
I think this is one way that Voat can really help itself while were still hammering out details of what we want to this place to look like. I personnaly think @Atko handled this very well, but I understand why some users have concerns.
What I'd like to see as Voat is built out is a set of tools to give the community a voice. Polls is the most obvious, but I'm sure there are others. That way communities could clearly state their will. With a clear mandate from users, it would be much clearer that mods and admins are acting at the behest of users and not imposing their will.
BillMeeks ago
The less rules the better IMO. I recently got /v/television and the only rule is that people should talk television. Not even instituting a spoiler policy or anything. Live free.
1758858? ago
Nope, democracy is just another form of tyranny. There is nothing wrong with the site owner making or delegating those types of decisions based on feedback from the users. If the owner turns evil there is nothing you can do about it either way other than move on to the next site like pilgrims seeking their freedom.
Kleyno ago
An easy way to fix this would be to give Mods the ability to modify post titles, with what was changed, and why, publicly visible in the Mod Log (important that last part, to ensure any abuse can be identified).
Or, we can just wait until @Atko and co deliver on their wonderful auto-mod bag of goodies.
ProfKraken ago
I absolutely understand the importance of finding middle ground, but let's not pretend that the actions taken by the mod in question were related to rule enforcement. The missing punctuation served as a convenient excuse and nothing more. While allowing mods to edit a title(within reason) might be a handy tool, it doesn't need to be prioritized.
SacerdoteBlasfemo ago
No. I think the ability to edit your own titles within some time after the publication is already enough for typos etc.. giving the mods unlimited access to titles is just asking for abuse, transparent abuse maybe, but still. If we want to prevent agenda driven moderation, providing redundant exploitable functions is probably a bad idea.
no_censorship_bruh ago
That's... actually a good idea. It would solve some other minor problems too like users asking a mod to correct a spelling error on post.
FitMachoNaziAtheist ago
Went back to reddit, voat is no different.
Techman ago
All changes would be transparent though, so the community can question actions of mods.
SniperPriest69 ago
I agree that mods should be able to change the titles, but the title changes should be instantly visible by changing the colour of the edited characters to red (or something else obvious).
realpatrickstewart ago
That, or a mouse-over to read the original title.
SillyDillySaurus ago
Or, they can change titles, but they have to be approved by the OP, that makes sure that they're not putting words in the OPs mouth.
Zkv ago
I'm not sure that's a perfect solution either. For instance, editorialized titles or things that turn out to be misleading should be renamed, but the OP might have an agenda.
Freshdough ago
This is an excellent idea.
Kleyno ago
Ah, like a teacher scribbling all over your work to show you how dumb you are. I like it :D
ASacrificialHerring ago
NSFW
SniperPriest69 ago
kind of, so if a poster forgot to write a question mark, then the mod can put it there, and everyone will see it. But if the mod wants to change the title to something else then the original, then everyone will see that the mod is the dumbass not the poster.