This is a good time to share this poem with everyone:
I saw them tearing a building down. A team of men in my hometown. With a heave and a ho and a yes yes yell, they swung a beam and a sidewall fell.
And I said to the foreman, "Are these men skilled?" "Like the ones you'd use if you had to build?"
And he laughed and said, "Oh no, indeed... the most common labor is all I need... for I can destroy in a day or two what takes a builder ten years to do."
So I thought to myself as I went on my way...
Which one of these roles am I willing to play?
Am I one who is tearing down as I carelessly make my way around? Or am I one who builds with care, in order to make the world a little better... because I was there?
anon
No one likes seeing their country destroyed. No one likes seeing their culture destroyed. No one likes seeing that which they've worked for destroyed.
This principle also applies to Voat.
Each of us is either a builder or a destroyer.
Choose your side, because I've chosen mine. Voat will support those who build.
Interpret this post however you'd like, because at it's root it is truth, but I'm posting this for those of us that need a reminder from time to time.
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fuchs_davis ago
Destroyer.
You're the type who hacked off the penises and breasts of our ancient sculptures.
heygeorge ago
This is fucking stupid. The difference is that a camera is a device which captures an image. Something had to take place in the real world. Drawing or painting creates an image. No source material has to actually happen.
You do not see a distinction? One captures reality. The other captures imagination.
@kevdude you get a lot of fans. I’m not jealous
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fuchs_davis ago
No, both are just algorithms for creating a map. In both cases something had to take place in the world. Whether that was scraping the sand with the stick, or it was scraping the film with the photosensitive chemical, and setting the aperture and exposure, composing the plane, lighting, etc. One is just a more complex algorithm than they other. They are both graphs.In Greek, the word is Γράφω. In Chinese, it's 畫. It's all markmaking. I scratch, I draw, I paint, I write. It's all the same thing. It's markmaking. That's why all roads lead to mixed media. Photo-graphy is drawing with light.If photography isn't speech, then neither is motion picture, which is even more complex. Taken to its logical conclusion, by your definition, Gesamtkunst is not speech, theatre is not speech; it's ridiculous on it's face. Taken to its logical conclusion, non representational painting is speech but representational painting is not. Hello! Do you hear yourselves?Think of it this way, if I want to take a photograph from scratch, I have to build a device that can capture photons and react somehow to mark the substrate that I'm going to stick in a frame and hang next to the painting on the wall. In the end, all I'm doing is marking the surface of a substrate, be it Earth, or Canvas, or Paper, with tools suited to the job.
They're just different techniques for creating flat images. 畫.
heygeorge ago
By your interpretation, perhaps... Yet actually not, as I will demonstrate below. Your alleged ‘logical conclusion’ obscures the essence of the distinction. I admit it is clever to conflate theatre with drawing vs. capturing a photograph.
This is it. Capturing reality, even to say a manufactured reality, draws (pun intended) the line of distinction.
fuchs_davis ago
If I paint a still-life, I've also captured photons and re-presented them on paper. It just went through the camera which is my eyeball.
heygeorge ago
Thank you for demonstrating this is not a requirement of the medium and succinctly illustrating the inherent difference.
fuchs_davis ago
You are illustrating how photography is its own medium. But not how it is separate from art.
If we were to generalise your position, we would say "as an image increases in precision, it decreases in useful (communicable) information". That's prima facie absurd.
The camera is analogous to the straight edge. I can draw a pretty accurate straight line by hand; I can draw an even more accurate straight line if I build a straight edge to help me, first. I can draw a picture of a smiling Nazi posing with a woman hanged from the barrel of a tank pretty accurately by hand; I can draw it even more accurately if I build a camera and darkroom before hand to me, first.
heygeorge ago
I was going to share an analogy about building, which would be appropriate for this thread, but would unfortunately veer down the off-topic path you are wandering.
Instead, I will make two demands:
Show me a drawing of God.
Show me a photograph of God.
fuchs_davis ago
Show me a drawing of God.
Show me a photograph of God
heygeorge ago
Son of God: You did not meet the criteria.
Regardless, you continue to show distinction: One of these is a capture of a tabgible physical object. The other is drawn from the mind’s eye.