This document discusses the components of the Vote feature. This document does not attempt to describe in detail the various ways a vote can be configured. It primarily serves to document and explain concepts and definitions involved with the Vote feature.
This document will be updated over time to include additional details, updated information, or for clarification.
Table of contents
Votes
Options
Outcomes
Polls vs. Referenda
Restrictions
Certified votes
Uncertified votes
Thresholds
Limitations
Workflow
Publishing
Processing
Subverse Types
TL;DR
Votes
In simple terms, a Vote is a vote. We call this feature Voat Votes and refer to it simply as Votes (which is entirely different from upvoats and downvoats… with an upvote here, and a downvote there, here a voat, there a vote, everywhere a Voat Vote.)
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Options
A Vote is made up of a series of Options. A Vote can have two or more Options. An Option is synonymous with a choice.
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Outcomes
Outcomes are actions that can be attached to an Option. An Option can have zero or more Outcomes attached to it.
Examples of various Outcomes:
- Add Domain Ban
- Add Subverse Moderator
- Add Subverse Rule
- Add Subverse User Ban
- Remove Domain Ban
- Remove Subverse Moderator
- Remove Subverse User Ban
- Update Subverse Rule
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Polls vs. Referenda
If a Vote has zero Outcomes (meaning no Option has an Outcome associated with it) it is considered a Poll. If any Option has an Outcome, the Vote is referred to as a Referendum. Polls and Referenda are the two types of Votes.
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Restrictions
Restrictions form the backbone of Votes. Restrictions are a framework that validates a user’s vote. All votes are classified as either Certified or Uncertified. All users can vote on a Vote and their vote will be either Certified or Uncertified. Vote statistics will be broken down into three categories: Certified, Uncertified, and All (sum of Certified and Uncertified).
Certified votes
A vote is Certified if all Restrictions pass or all Restrictions in a Restriction group pass. Only Certified votes are considered when a winning Option is chosen in a Referendum.
Uncertified votes
A vote is Uncertified if any one Restriction doesn't pass or no Restriction group passes.
Examples of various Restrictions:
- Contribution Count (Restriction that counts comments/submissions to a given subverse over time)
- Contribution Point (Restriction that summarizes points earned on comments/submissions to a given subverse over time)
- Contribution Vote (Restriction that counts votes given on comments/submissions to a given subverse over time)
- Member Age (Restriction based on account age)
- Subscriber (Restriction based on if/when a user subscribed to a given subverse)
Restriction Grouping
Using advanced configuration, Restrictions can be grouped into two or more groups. Grouping Restrictions allows for conditional evaluation in that only one group has to be satisfied in order for the user's vote to be Certified. If a Vote has no Restriction groups, every Restriction must pass in order for the vote to be Certified.
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Thresholds
A threshold is a limiting factor that affects how winning Options are selected. Thresholds provide both a margin and threshold setting and can be applied to either the percentage of the vote or the sum of votes. A Vote that has no Thresholds will default to a majority winner (which ever Option has the highest percentage).
For example, with Thresholds a Vote can specify that a winning Option must have:
- 60% of the vote (minimum percentage threshold)
- a margin of 10% over the next highest percentage Option (minimum percentage margin)
- must have at least 200 votes (minimum count threshold)
Thresholds allow Votes to specify distinct quorum levels.
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Limitations (Create/Publish)
Calling Votes (referred to as creating and then publishing votes) are limited in many ways. Limitations are applied to Polls and Referenda individually. Limitations on who (how many Votes a user can call), where (what subverses can have Votes called), what (what type of Vote is supported (Polls, Referenda, or both) and what types of Outcomes and Restrictions are allowed), and when (how many Votes can be active in a subverse or for a user at a given time or over a period of time) are imposed via the limitation logic.
Limitation logic can be configured to apply to subverses, the type of subverse, or at a moderator level. This allows for the granular configuration of how Votes are used.
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Workflow
Calling a Vote is a two-step process. You first create and configure the Vote. You may edit a Vote after it is created as it is not publicly visible. At this stage this is considered an Unpublished Vote.
Publishing
Publishing a Vote does the following:
- Creates an associated submission to the subverse which displays the Vote
- Locks the Vote from further editing or cancellation.
A published Vote has a “delay” time and a “duration” time. The delay time period is the length of time after the Vote is published in which voting is not yet allowed, whereas the duration is the time period the Vote is open and voting is allowed.
Processing
After the Vote closes, it is then processed. When a Vote is processed, votes are counted and a winning Option is selected that satisfies specified Thresholds. If the winning Option has any Outcomes, the Outcomes are executed.
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Subverse Types
The Vote feature also introduces a new classification for subverses. This classification system, or subverse type, will affect what Votes can be called in a particular subverse. Voat has defined the following subverse types:
- Default: Uncategorized Subverse (Legacy - all existing subverses are categorized as Default.)
System Monarchy: System Subverse (Entity. Voat controlled.)
Public Democracy: Community Subverse (Publicly controlled via Votes. Moderator subverse permissions limited.)
Private Dictatorship: Private Subverse (Moderator controlled. Identical to Default as of this draft.),
Community Republic: Community Subverse (Republic structure. Rules and Moderators can only be changed via Votes)
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TL;DR
Voat will soon have more Votes, up votes, down votes, and Voat Votes.
jnola2 ago
Should be stickied.
scottduncan101 ago
Thanks its really helpful
jollux ago
I oppose this. Don't implement it.
thelma ago
I think it would be better if we:
1) appoint, on a rotating basis of members, an executive officer for a period of a week time who would decide on matters through such a system; then
2) at a special bi-weekly meeting the members as a whole vote to ratify the supreme leader's choice in which:
2a) in the case of purely internal affairs, a simple majority to decide to ratify the leader's decision or
2b) in the case of external affairs, a 2/3rds majority
offender ago
"newbie"
don't make me whip out my 4 year old alts
oh wait I'm not a fag c:
CognitiveDissident5 ago
How's that list coming along? Maybe time for a repost.
CrustyBeaver52 ago
This is huge power.
I think you should give this power only to @gabara and let's see what happens next.
gabara ago
Fun. Fun happens.
Chiefpacman ago
Definetly down to try it.
We still need you at our helm though, please. It would be ideal, if your stamp of approval was required on important issues. It would be more like, advising you rather than giving us final say.
offender ago
alts are for fags
Artofchoke ago
How many votes
could a Voat goat vote
If a Voat goat could vote Voat?
WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI ago
I was under the impression that that this feature would make it possible for the users to overthrow a censoring tyrant mod. What's there to stop a mod from just setting a sub to private to prevent the community from being able to vote them out?
think- ago
Have you seen this post - @Vindicator @Crensch @EricKaliberhall @srayzie @Shizy ?
Doglegwarrior ago
This seems like a bunch of jew wizardry words i hope things keeps working around here.
Vaginal_Sandstorm ago
I would like to request the "Toggle Night Mode" button label be changed to "Toggle Nigger Mode".
I enjoy your website and I feel this would further enhance my experience here. Thank you for your time.
CalmRules ago
Who gives a damn. Ive already conceded to the fact that ill never get to upload/influence any content on this shit site because i dont follow the retard circlejerk.
Fuck the users on here that think that they are so smart. Fuck all the users that use it for spreading their shit propaganda. And most of all fuck all of the pewdiefag promoters that cone here. You are all gutter trash that deserve nothing more than being sterilized.
Not that it matters since @puttitout fucked this site up by selling it to (((investor))).
go1dfish ago
This sounds pretty impressive as far as community governance/voting systems go, but I fear we're still imposing the limitations of physical spaces onto non-physical communities by focusing so much on the idea of centralized control, even if it is democratic or governed by some sort of constitution.
Interesting to see that Republic is an option, but I still think the right path forward is empowering individuals rather than modeling meat space models of controlling people to manage scarcity that need not be a factor online.
Regardless, still curious to see what happens and commend you for clearly putting a lot of thought into such a governance system.
NNdmt ago
that is an extremely polite way of saying that @puttitout needs to lay off the crack
MadWorld ago
Would love to see who is behind the downvotes, if they are not organic. Votes on your recent comments seem normal.
Maybe create a subverse documenting your experience and share that with people?
MadWorld ago
XD So you are a messenger of the rats?
And you have many other personas? Got it.
Kick your ass!
DestroyerOfSaturn ago
What if said mod has been incarcerated? Could one come back to the old pen and remain owner?
DietCokehead1 ago
This is actually a really good point.
MadWorld ago
Alright, tell me those accounts that have a higher lever of manipulation.
That submission, where you talked to yourself, would have being funnier if it was one of your ARCH ENEMY videos.
MadWorld ago
XD Ironfist does it too!!
https://archive.fo/a1CmD
https://voat.co/v/SoapboxBanhammer/3048663#Old/
gramman74 ago
https://archive.fo/GnIta
PuttItOut ago
I want to build archiving into Voat itself.
MadWorld ago
Is it possible to create a presentation of gab.ai's dissenter like feature?
There were talks in /v/ideasforvoat 4 weeks back and now we are seeing several submissions on gab.ai's dissenter rolling out. I was thinking maybe create the archive links of the page. It does not have to be very optimal at this stage, something similar to archive.fo or OpenWayback (configured to strictly work on Voat) would work. This would just create "static" versions of webpage, to which other users could pick. For simplicity, it could just be a single version for now. It may also be possible to find other off-the-shelf archivers, so you would not have to start from scratch.
The comment section on Voat is already available. It could be put into certain presentation/view with the static copy of the archive page. Then we could use
https://voat.co/c/[fullpath url to other website]
, where the /c/ path denotes the comment discussion of other sites. This should remain compatible with existing Voat's url path and its views. The newhttps://voat.co/c/
is just another presentation of the archive page and comment section. Instead of the submission title and submission body, now we just have this snapshot of another webpage, for which the content of this snapshot could be gradually refined at a later stage. Things like annotation, on the top of snapshot, could be considered if such feature becomes desirable.By using the
https://voat.co/c/
notation, other users could insert thevoat.co/c/
part while at the site of interest. This should not require any plug-in from the end users or pre-approved app from toxic app store. With so many Goats on Voat, so many users who would fight for free speech on the web, I suspect that many of them would only need to drop a url on site's native comment section. This can easily be done by copying the url path and inserting voat.co/c/ path. So normies/NPCs of said native site could click on it to take them to Voat's presentation of that site's content. If desirable, a shorter url prefix could be used with a shorter domain name.Sorry if this is a lot of work...
PuttItOut ago
We can implement an identical feature in about a week as I'm sure the develop time for dissenter was primarily the backend, which Voat already has.
I don't know if it would be tasteless to do so though.
MadWorld ago
@Fuckyounigger, see parent.
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DestroyerOfSaturn ago
Why change voat at all? Certified voats? Will they look like http://magaimg.net/img/7bt4.jpg ?
PuttItOut ago
I already removed them (queue power admin comments).
Dismember ago
https://grammarist.com/usage/cue-queue/
MadWorld ago
This reminds me something else. When automated subverse-transfer feature is ready, will there be something to stop long-time absent mods from shooting down the requests? For example, a mod that has been absent for an year and comes back to make a submission, just to stop subverse request from happening. I cannot recall if such option was available. Thanks!
TantalusDarkstone ago
I suggested this the first time, but are you going to allow for a subverse owner to designate the people who can vote in his sub? These features sound more credible as a council type deal than as a popular vote.
For example, an owner could appoint 20 solid participants in his subverse with voting rights, since he can vet them personally and they (presumably) agree with his outlook on the sub and its content. Then he can pitch votes to them to gain better feedback /allow them a degree of power in helping make changes to his sub. Their power to remove him could be optional when he sets it up, and could be based on his activity. So if he abandoned the sub, after a few months where he hasn't logged in the option would open for them to vote on a new owner.
Just my two cents at a more moderate approach.
PuttItOut ago
We really have yet to decide a single aspect of how this feature will be used. We will need to figure all of this out as time moves on (basically how this tool should be used, when, where, how, etc).
One thing that people overlook is that this feature won't be turned on suddenly and cause chaos.
MrPim ago
Damn it.
TantalusDarkstone ago
Understood. Thanks for the quick response, Putt!
ThaytansMinion ago
Sorry Off Topic I know, but My master indicates an error in your regime:
https://voat.co/u/Thaytan/comments
Bugged for me. And though more obnoxious than usual, I hit the "10 post in 24 hours" limit before I made 10 posts I think.
Deleting this account now, Hail Thaytan.
NorthernMan ago
So basically because of the subverse types, I have the choice between being a dictator (doesn’t sound free speech friendly), or allowing mob rule. So I can be outed from my ownership position of the subverse I am apart of by random people who never even contribute to the subverse because I don’t post Nazi shit or spew racial hatred 24/7? I even allow that garbage to be posted there, but because I don’t obsess over it, and I have a different opinion than the masses here, I could be considered a “Jew” and a threat to free speech by the crazies here. This just seems like an excuse for people to character assassinate those they disagree with so they can get their way, the complete opposite of free speech.
jollux ago
The long-suffering reddit mod, poor you.
NorthernMan ago
I do not have the mindset of a Reddit mod. My only desire is that instead of jerking off to Hitler and saying nigger 24/7 to get a false sense of power, we as whites actually do something to save ourselves and bring back a sense of white identity that is healthy.
All the Hitler worship, racism, and cult-like adherence to those is counter-productive and has gotten us nowhere.
d3r ago
How much of this meme shit is Zionists coopting your movement?
jollux ago
I run two subs that don't mention hitler all that much, but I don't have the vitriol towards it you seem to have.
AmazingAutist ago
I read the whole thing and I don't understand it at all. A short, clear introduction would've been nice. As well as explaining how this new system(?) will differ from the existing voting mechanism.
Chiefpacman ago
There is no voting mechanism, in this form.
he's been giving hints about it for a while, I can see how it would be confusing though. Basically he's trying to implement a way for us to govern ourselves. Don't like what a moderator is doing? Have a vote to have him removed. Not a discussion with voats, that is seperate. This would carry weight.
PuttItOut ago
Well this is a
technical
documentAmazingAutist ago
Normally the general explanation comes before the technical details.
PuttItOut ago
I'll let the world know.
DietCokehead1 ago
Hey @PuttIyOut, you dropped something..
Seriously, what the fuck is this shit? This is a terrible idea. Put down the crack pipe and cut the bullshit. This idea is seriously some shady, grubby Jew banker. I don't trust this at all.
PuttItOut ago
I've been called worse. This isn't an on/off feature. It will be deployed piecemeal and evaluated.
NosebergShekelman ago
Glad to see this. Great wok. Either it will be great, or it will be used for ebil.
Ina_Pickle ago
Probably ebil, but should be amusing to watch regardless. I think the chances for drama are quite high.
NosebergShekelman ago
I have many polls planned awww lawdy I can smell the tears from here
Ina_Pickle ago
I dont think anyone would expect less from you.
willynelly ago
The first secret Jew Voat sponsor features roll out. :::gets popcorn:::
MinorLeakage ago
In all fairness, this was discussed for a long time prior. It never had much community support, but it's an old idea.
zyklon_b ago
in 1990 @gnashingoftheteeth raped and murdered a white infant
BC6688019B72 ago
Tell me that this isn't the beginning of facilitating mob rule on Voat. It sounds suspiciously like you're working on implementing mechanisms that will allow a majority of users to impose outcomes on the minority through Voat votes. If so, please explain how you expect this to turn out different than it has on Reddit.
smokratez ago
The whole point is to turn voat into reddit.
PuttItOut ago
As if Reddit would give any real power to the community itself. Isn't this the exact opposite?
DietCokehead1 ago
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." - A wise man.
Our system ain't broken. Our system it fantastic the way it is. Why are you fucking with it? Please do not tamper with it.
smokratez ago
What is srs?
PuttItOut ago
In my opinion collusion between admins and mods that dictate over a community which has no say in the matters.
DietCokehead1 ago
Muh collusion!
smokratez ago
You mean like soupdoxretardhammer has on voat?
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PuttItOut ago
Oh, this again?
smokratez ago
You are unaware of the jew tranny presence on voat?
drstrangegov ago
like....organized jew tranny presence? who can even make sense of this anymore? has the world fallen into such chaos that the monster of the past reemerge? the vampires, the ghouls, the goblins?
gabara ago
You ARE the jew tranny presence on Voat.
PuttItOut ago
If you want me to take things seriously you can't use the 'tranny' descriptor. It just makes me laugh.
smokratez ago
You prefer mutilated freaks?
WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI ago
If I remember correctly, "shylock ladyboy" is the preferred nomenclature
smokratez ago
Put is a tranny confirmed.
gabara ago
Dude. Seriously. Chill.
smokratez ago
I bet you reddit retards supply him with good estrogen or something. That's how you control it, since he's not a he anymore.
gabara ago
Reddit sucks dude.
heygeorge ago
@smokratez is the best Voat has to offer.
chuckletrousers ago
No way! We have @TheBuddha, and he's a national treasure, whereas smoky is just a shoeless 12 year old in a trailer park.
MkeAmericaGreatAgain ago
After reading all this I cant decide if this is gay or not? It might not be antisemetic enough either
Kalergi ago
I need to have my Jewish accountant and Jewish lawyer look this document over.
GishKnots ago
I dont vote.
Karbuster ago
As others have expressed, i feel that direct voting just turns into a popularity contest shitshow and it will be heavily abused by multi-acct spammers, shills and Qtards to initiate mob rule over everyone else, please dont let this happen, we need checks and balances
GnashingOfTheTeeth ago
This is retarded. As if shills dont already have enough power to censor using downvoat brigading
smokratez ago
Voat has been dead for a while. Letting the jew trannies run trad wife was the beginning of the end.
GnashingOfTheTeeth ago
I agree. And all the tranny porn they smear all over the front page day after day
smokratez ago
Look at this white beauty. Massive skull and big hands. People are so blind.
totes_magotes ago
Congrats, you are/have adding/added a way for large groups of people to brigade and take over voat.
TrueAmerican ago
Yeah we should be just like Reddit, but opposite. Ban and censor anyone with Left-leaning ideology.
AmaleksHairyAss ago
Fuck yourself with a tree my good man
TrueAmerican ago
I would downvoat you, but I cant due to Voats permissions for users with unpopular opinions... also, i wouldve replied sooner but am limited to 10 posts per day... Voat is already a circle-jerk and a joke that spits in the face of free speech.
AmaleksHairyAss ago
"ban every leftie" is hardly an unpopular point of view
fusir ago
This has the makes of something a corporation would take advantage. This is more complicated than a land sale. I think I'm going to hire a title agent to figure this one out for me.
NeoGoat ago
Well put @fusir. I'd say the document is written about as poorly as possible, while still being definitive & laying things out in a logical manner. The primary problem is that there is no introductory material to provide a background or overview about the intentions and purpose of the design. The unreadibility of reminiscent of math texts composted of theorems & proofs; they are fine as reference material, but highly inefficient for initial learning. What is presented is essentially, a table. It is a wonderful reference, but needs text.
As a member of almost 2 years, I find this extraordinarily off-putting. Also, shouldn' this be stickied to the top??? Thanks for soliciting comments & asking us whether we wanted this before implementation. /s
BTW folks, I have the same username on poal. @puttitout
AmaleksHairyAss ago
"Election" only means for people.
PuttItOut ago
I have the opposite vision, but I get the concern. I've been paying attention to the dynamics of Voat for a long time, and I think we can pull this off.
We'll see, if it doesn't work it won't be fully released.
Dismember ago
The real problem is VPN/Tor/etc giving users the ability to switch IP on the fly and those same people having multiple accounts that have aged up to 4 years. This method has been very effective in the past on enacting change on Voat because voting is one thing but multiple "respected" and aged users voicing their opinions along with the vote carries a lot of weight.
offender ago
As long as Voat has a "constitution" or set of extremely hard/impossible to change, but basic rules everything should be fine.
willynelly ago
Define "doesn't work." Can we get objective criteria by which the success or failure of this feature will be judged? Something in the form of a checklist that can be verified by anyone.
totes_magotes ago
Only for a while. With each wave of users from reddit, we get more and more people with bad habits, bad views on speech, power tripping users, and so on. At some point, it will be more than the number of users who value such things. At that point, voat is just lost.
Doglegwarrior ago
You sir are correct. Ive been at war with shills and trolls for about 6 months. The one liners that just attack personaly and offer nothing positive those people are a problem but i see no good solution because im 100 perfent against banning and censorship. Thanks for your statement it need to be said.
GrandmasWarmPie ago
And you're a hateful faggot with no value to society.
DietCokehead1 ago
You deserve to die for your username, you degenerate nigger.
totes_magotes ago
REE REE REE cry some more.
GrandmasWarmPie ago
The fact that you responded is just proof you're a horrible little faggot with nothing better to do than make himself angry on the internet.
Instead of frittering away your time, go to the gym fatty.
totes_magotes ago
You're just mad because you and your little butt-buddy jewfags have their secret spilled. Go back to Israel, retard.
GrandmasWarmPie ago
kek
totes_magotes ago
Cry some more, little pathetic baby. Your tears are tasty.
GrandmasWarmPie ago
k e k
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totes_magotes ago
werpwerpwerp, cry some more.
thantik ago
Ooooooh, seriously liking this. Looks like a lot of thought went into it.
It also allows moderators to clearly set the type of sub they want, and if people are worried about 'censorship' they can just avoid those subs. If someone wants to join a sub that's 'curated', they can join a Dictatorship if they agree with that dictator's rules.
It'll take some time for people to get used to and accept - but it looks like it's a great choice to advance the whole site.
Ina_Pickle ago
We can already avoid subs with censoring asshole mods.
0fsgivin ago
Yea but unless you restrict CCP they can be used for karma farms to crank out legions of accounts capable of downvoating.
Not to mention some group or another invades voat, starts blasting propaganda to front page and removing all comments showing dissent or counters to said propaganda. Now the front page of /v/all is just a propaganda board with any and all dissenting information scrubbed.
willynelly ago
Why would you want to advance the site by creating a Reddit clone? If you want dictatorial control, just use Reddit.
thantik ago
How is this a Reddit clone? I haven't been there in a while, but I don't remember any kind of thing such as this. This actually puts it further away from being a Reddit clone.
SharpSliceOfMango ago
Are you going to push those changes to the github repo?
GoofyGrape ago
You might want to sticky this Putt.
I am on mobile and at first it wasn't stickied, then it was, and now it is back to no sticky.
thantik ago
I'm glad it isn't stickied, because the people who use Voat the most have the ability to speak up about this initially. Stickying it just draws out the dregs.
GoofyGrape ago
Good point.
FuckPopcorn ago
Hey Putt I've run micro governments for game development / feature development and direct population votes are not good. I've found having the people vote on a direct list of intelligent people who care about the project to represent them, and then their votes taken in private work best (extremely well). In fact this system worked so well it boosted participation in the game significantly because they felt they were represented and stuff was getting taken care of.
Ina_Pickle ago
No one really knows anyone on an anonymous site. I can not think of a single user beyond Putt that I would trust with any major decisionmaking for this site. I dont know Putt either, but have to assume he cares for his site more than anyone else.
drstrangegov ago
Muh democracy!
maxmayer221 ago
i think so too
PuttItOut ago
We're going to roll this out slowly and with caution, making changes/adjustments over time. You see the risk, I see the reward (if done right).
AR47 ago
What is wrong with the old way? How is the current method for the site in need of such change? Make no mistake I understand that ultimately this is your site and you can do whatever it is you want and either we as users adapt, or leave.
Thing is that with certain users people call them out and nothing is done to curb their behavior or even place it in check for a while.
Surely you can see the users that are gaming the system or at least do something to label them? Even a way that we can identify them like a global tag? Making them know publicly like as what Hitler did with Jews will work? Lol
SIayfire122 ago
I'd say it's best to have a backup copy of all subverse rules and moderators just in case. With a minimum of 200 votes, I hardly see anything passing though.
Salicaz ago
I thought saying niggerfaggot was how we down voated?
willynelly ago
Yeah, but the new "investor" has needs too, you know?
slevin_kelevra ago
Hmmm. Is this really necessary?
dunklederf ago
yeah, thats exactly what i'm thinking, what's the potential GAINS here?
Rotteuxx ago
This subject was discussed extensively on preview.voat.co
Hop on over to catch up :)
NeoGoat ago
Good way to keep it out of the eye of the userbase at large.
Rotteuxx ago
It's not a private club.
Besides, it's not the first time it's mentioned on Voat either.
NeoGoat ago
Obviously, its not private, but it is not something that many go to. When was this stuff mentioned previously on voat?
slevin_kelevra ago
Thanks.
GnashingOfTheTeeth ago
Muh "angel" investor cough
AmaleksHairyAss ago
No, he was talking about this before that.
AmazingAutist ago
(((angel)))
GnashingOfTheTeeth ago
My bad. You got the correct punctuation mark