22361077? ago

whats happening?

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Well, first off, no one would even know Epstain was/is MOSSAD without Trump being in office. Second, we wouldn't know the breadth and depth of the corruption today, without Trump being in office. Third, We wouldn't know, or have a better idea of just how many Clowns are in elected offices or the bureaucracy, without Trump being in office. Fourth, we'd still be saddled with Common Core, shitty school lunches, and ObamaCare, if it wasn't for Trump being in office. Fifth, the House wouldn't have voted to end the 2002 AUMF, if it wasn't for Trump being in office. Bin Talal woildnt be Crown Prince of S.A., Little Kim the Rocket Man would still be "testing" nukes. Soleimani would still be killing U.S. soldiers and innocent civilians. Brexit wouldn't have happened because May would still be UK P.M. Gorsuch and Kav wouldn't be SCOTUS members, etc.

We ALL know POSobitch is a Clown meant for mis/dis-info. Why would anyone here still listen to him? He's a [DS] hack people. He's already been called out on it and failed that litmus test, so why are we still having this discussion, and why have some of y'all forgotten where we're at and how far we've come in the past 3 1/2 yrs?

22346344? ago

Who’s Jewing who in the zoo?

22345560? ago

Simple, they are no longer under control

22345443? ago

Passive aggressive troll won't directly blame Trump so blames someone else then connects them to Trump.

I hate the POSobiec more than anyone else here, he IS a Mossad agent and deserves to be one of those who are afraid to walk down the street when truth is revealed.

You have no idea what type of actual relationship Trump has with Dershowitz, it's probably a Sun Tzu "converted spy". What did you expect, that Trump would publicly disavow every Mossad asset in public? If so you're fucking stupid.

22346808? ago

You’re anonymous, with a hot take, and no supporting evidence.

22347450? ago

This is QRV. Q drops are supporting evidence.

You want info on Posobiec being a piece of shit Mossad asset? No problem.

https://8ch.net/qresearch/res/2887121.html#2887813

You want proof on what I said is "probably" the case? Are you a native English speaker?

22347053? ago

There is 'supporting evidence' in another response to the same comment you are responding to.

22346484? ago

The question, for me personally, isn't:

"Why doesn't Trump disavow every Mossad agent in public right now?"

The question, for me, is:

"Will Trump ever disavow every Mossad agent in public?"

If the answer is "no", as a nihilistic defeated person might assume, then the question then becomes:

"How can you say power will be returned to the people if this is your stated opinion? How does this prevent against this happening even harder later, to the point that we're all killed for disagreeing?"

If the answer is "yes", then this is not an issue, as he will have demonstrated actually putting America first, rather than a foreign nation.

22347495? ago

McCain was executed for treason, decided by a military tribunal.

His plea deal will likely never be widely pronounced to the greater population.

Q already said 20% will be revealed. Later he upped that to 40%. You want that to be 100% ... sorry, that's not Q. Go follow some other alphabet letter who said they would reveal 100% of everything.

Don't act surprised, this is the most common knowledge piece of information in the Q community. If this is your first exposure to it then maybe you should lurk more before you whine.

22348165? ago

Or maybe I find that not good enough, and don't need to support a movement that is the new guard, same as the old guard.

If you want to willingly live in a world of vampires who suck the blood of children, fair enough. But how many pedophiles are going to survive this, and what is to happen them and their "fortunes"? They get tk keep it?

How is that different than any other time they've almost won? When we can't even speak of their evil openly? To accept further suppression? How is that "power to the people"?

And if you stand by it, fair enough, then at least have the courage to claim it.

I dunno. If it can't be answered that's fine. As long as I'm allowed to say that then whatever.

22348294? ago

Or maybe I find that not good enough

Literal definition of concern troll.

and don't need to support a movement that is the new guard, same as the old guard

Oh, you don't support Q and you don't support Trump? This is my surprised face. I'm so VERY surprised. I didn't predict that at all.

Again, literal definition of concern troll.

When we can't even speak of their evil openly?

What the fuck are you on about with your strawman argument? I literally said I hate POSobiec more than everyone else here. I literally said the truth should be revealed about him and that he shouldn't be able to walk down the street anymore.

That you inappropriately blame Trump for that fucktard because Trump hasn't "dealt with him yet", as if its Trump's job to swat every mossadquito, is fucking retarded.

It might not be illegal for a US private citizen to shill for $$$ on behalf of a foreign government. What the fuck would you expect Trump to do without violating POSobeic's constitutionally-protected right to say what he wants to, even if it's shilling for Mossad? As long as POSobiec isn't openly engaging in blatant sedition, nothing can be done about it.

22348380? ago

That you inappropriately blame Trump for that fucktard because Trump hasn't "dealt with him yet", as if its Trump's job to swat every mossadquito, is fucking retarded.

That's clearly not what I said. I said that as long as I'm allowed to complain about him supporting Mossad, and Mossad blatantly interfering in our politics at levels that the Russian Collusion Delusion could only dream of, and mention that a lot of them sure do seem to be Jewish, and they sure are being protected, like Weinstein, Anthony Wiener, and complain that pedophiles are being protected, I'm willing to move the needle. But if you're saying "no you're not allowed to talk about it otherwise you will be called a Nazi", then I do have a problem with it.

Can you explain how this is a controversial opinion?

It might not be illegal for a US private citizen to shill for $$$ on behalf of a foreign government. What the fuck would you expect Trump to do without violating POSobeic's constitutionally-protected right to say what he wants to, even if it's shilling for Mossad? As long as POSobiec isn't openly engaging in blatant sedition, nothing can be done about it.

Sedition is illegal. If he's working against the state, he's a traitor.

What are you talking about? What the fuck? "Well if we're conquered legally then you can't complain.".

What? Sorry can you explain the logic here?

22348624? ago

Can you explain how this is a controversial opinion?

Sure, no prob Bob.

Posobiec stumped when asked about Epstein being Mossad and how Trump can root out Epstein's Mossad network when his lawyers (Dershowitz & Starr formerly Epstein's) are part of same Mossad network.

The clear implication is that a) Trump hired Dershowitz, b) Dershowitz is Mossad, c) Trump has delegated 100% of all control regarding the situation to Dershowitz, d) Dershowitz isn't obeying Trump, but instead obeying Mossad, ergo Trump is directly responsible for covering up for Epstein's network because he delegated all decision-making to someone else in Epstein's network who will only work to cover up the network.

Is that a correct assumption of what the title says? I think even you would agree that is an accurate interpretation. But it's filled with logical fallacies and unknowable assumptions.

It assumes that either a) Trump is stupid because he doesn't know about the connection, or b) Trump is evil because he knows of the connection and approves of it.

First logical fallacy:

Trump has a lawyer (Dershowitz) who is helping with impeachment, and that has something to do with the DOJ's investigation of Epstein. That's just plain and simply wrong. Trump isn't involved legally, in any way, with Epstein. Dershowitz isn't involved in any lawsuit regarding Epstein.

Second logical fallacy:

Even if you were to assume that Dershowitz WAS involved with the DOJ's Epstein case, Trump is the President of the United States and Dershowitz is nothing but a lawyer. What makes you think that Dershowitz would be in the position to call all the shots?

We know that Trump esteems Sun Tzu, so much so that he named his book "The Art of the Deal" after Sun Tzu's "The Art of War". Look up "converted spies". Dershowitz would know where bodies are buried. For all you know, Trump would use him to better prosecute people in the Epstein network instead of hiding it.

Again, you're assuming that either Trump doesn't know of Dershowitz' connection to Epstein, or that Trump knows and approves of Dershowitz intentionally mangling the investigation.

Sedition is illegal.

Sedition must be proven. There is no provable sedition in POSobeic's twitter timeline. Trying to prove Q isn't real via Microchip isn't the definition of sedition. Reporting news wrong isn't sedition. State clearly and precisely how POSobeic has exactly committed sedition? In a way that would get him the death penalty in a jury of his peers. It isn't likely.

That doesn't mean patriots can't out him as a Mossad agent and have him afraid to walk down the street once Q finally deals with the government of Israel.

22348741? ago

The clear implication is that a) Trump hired Dershowitz, b) Dershowitz is Mossad, c) Trump has delegated 100% of all control regarding the situation to Dershowitz, d) Dershowitz isn't obeying Trump, but instead obeying Mossad, ergo Trump is directly responsible for covering up for Epstein's network because he delegated all decision-making to someone else in Epstein's network who will only work to cover up the network.

I agree completely that this is the dominant logic used. That's not mine. That's not what I'm arguing at all.

I agree with implications a and b, but c on I don't agree with. What I'm saying is given a and b are true, are we allowed to point it out? And say "hey it's weird that there are these people who seem to be closely working with the people who we're claiming of colluding who are working on this case. Can we get independent investigators to investigate the case fully? Or have we already conceded territory to paedophiles. If we've ceded territory, are we allowed to talk about it or are a we a conquered people who must accept the oppression, even if it's been reduced"?

If I'm allowed to say it, find. If I'm not, can you explain why?

Again, you're assuming that either Trump doesn't know of Dershowitz' connection to Epstein, or that Trump knows and approves of Dershowitz intentionally mangling the investigation.

No. Undoubtedly some people are, but I think I've made it clear that's not what I'm doing.

Sedition must be proven. There is no provable sedition in POSobeic's twitter timeline.

Agree. But don't we have to be able to talk about it in order to prove it? Or are we not allowed to talk about it until we prove it? Considering Q has already called out Posobiac as Mossad?

I don't find these points controversial, in light of the clarifications.

The clear implication is that a) Trump hired Dershowitz, b) Dershowitz is Mossad, c) Trump has delegated 100% of all control regarding the situation to Dershowitz, d) Dershowitz isn't obeying Trump, but instead obeying Mossad, ergo Trump is directly responsible for covering up for Epstein's network because he delegated all decision-making to someone else in Epstein's network who will only work to cover up the network.

22348838? ago

This is you, right?

"Will Trump ever disavow every Mossad agent in public?"

You expect Trump to make some grand announcement that Jack Posobiec has been determined to be a Mossad agent, and if Trump won't do that then ...

How can you say power will be returned to the people if this is your stated opinion?

Trump is the executive branch. It's not the chief executive's job to proclaim anyone's guilt or innocence. That's the judicial branch.

The best you could ever hope for is that he would be arrested for violating a law, which you already agreed upon that no public evidence of POSobeic's lawbreaking exists in his twitter feed.

You essentially set up an argument that Trump and Q will never have "power returned to the people" until Trump hunts down a petty Mossad agent and does something that isn't his constitutionally assigned role in the government.

Again, McCain was executed for treason based on a military tribunal, without the public knowing about it. Justice WAS served in that case, even though the public wasn't made aware of his plea deal. Likewise, even if POSobeic is addressed by the legal system in a way that the public is largely unaware of, that doesn't mean justice wasn't served.

Personally, I think the government of Israel's antics will be made known to the larger American public, POSobeic will be largely outed as a Mossad asset and will choose to withdraw from being a public figure based on shame and ridicule.

22348900? ago

You expect Trump to make some grand announcement that Jack Posobiec has been determined to be a Mossad agent, and if Trump won't do that then ...

Sorry, you need to be clear. What I specifically asked is "will he ever". Meaning, are we going to have to live under Mossad rule in perpetuity, or will we be allowed to talk about the issue publicly? Or are you going to destroy anyone who talks about it publicly.

Trump is the executive branch. It's not the chief executive's job to proclaim anyone's guilt or innocence. That's the judicial branch.

Irrelevant to my point. You're not addressing what I'm saying, you're picking quotes to disagree with. You're no different than a leftist. I'm arguing for prosecuting pedophiles. What, exactly, are you arguing for?

You essentially set up an argument that Trump and Q will never have "power returned to the people" until Trump hunts down a petty Mossad agent and does something that isn't his constitutionally assigned role in the government.

That's a straw man. I never asked for Trump to do that specifically. In fact, you're the one caught up on Posobiac, as I'm not asking questions about him, I'm talking about the whole power structure that CLEARLY exists in our government. Why are you making this about some lackey?

What I'm clearly saying is that if it's illegal to ask questions about foreign subversion, then we have been conquered, and people should just admit taht we can't get rid of the pedophiles because they're too powerful. It's at least honest.

Again, McCain was executed for treason based on a military tribunal, without the public knowing about it.

And yet you know about it? So clearly it can be known. Bush, Obama, Cheney, Clinton, can all be dead the same way. Will they? That's my question. And as long as they're not, it's a fair question. Otherwise you're just protecting them, and I don't understand why you'd do that.

Justice WAS served in that case

Secret justice is not justice. Sorry we just disagree there. If it's never released, it's not justice.

Personally, I think the government of Israel's antics will be made known to the larger American public, POSobeic will be largely outed as a Mossad asset and will choose to withdraw from being a public figure based on shame and ridicule.

If you're betting on the shame and ridicule of a Jew, you probably should look at what happened to Germany. That's my point. We can't just keep letting people come in, sow discord for 60 years, and then take over. That's the most ridiculous position in history, because it just begs for invasion.

Especially if we're not allowed to name the perpetrators publicly, and shame them. If, in spite of kicking them out, they still control our entire media establishment, and continue brain washing citizens so they can try again.

I'm so confused why you keep arguing the minutia of this case, and not the broader point I'm raising. Specifically:

Do you want to live in a world of vampires who are incredibly rich who are propagandizing the entire population into allowing their children to be sacrificed because that's all we can expect is an armistace?

Or:

Do you want to fight the vampires and out them to the public and have people actually care about their children, town, county, state, and country being raped by people who hate you and are literally sucking the life force out of you to fund their extravagance?

I mean I get that 1 is the safer play. But at that point my question is how is that not just playing a game of pass the ball where we gain power over evil and then just let it come back? And to be clear, I've literally just advocated for being able to talk about them. Nothing more.

22349810? ago

That's a straw man. I never asked for Trump to do that specifically. In fact, you're the one caught up on Posobiac, as I'm not asking questions about him

Yeah? Try not hopping in a 2 person conversation if nothing you have to say is relevant to what has already been said by the two. In fact, the entire thread is about POSobiec. What are you even doing in here again?

I'm so confused why you keep arguing the minutia of this case

It's not "minutia of this case" that the OP blames Trump for shit POSobeic or Dershowitz did. It is a blatant attempt to throw stones at Trump in a passive-aggressive way because people would just laugh at the OP if he came straight out anti-Trump.

Do you want to live in a world of vampires who are incredibly rich who are propagandizing the entire population into allowing their children to be sacrificed because that's all we can expect is an armistace?

And you want to complain about relevancy and bringing up unrelated crap, as well as bring up strawmen. I defy you to tie the above statement to anything anyone has said in this thread.

22352215? ago

Yeah? Try not hopping in a 2 person conversation if nothing you have to say is relevant to what has already been said by the two. In fact, the entire thread is about POSobiec. What are you even doing in here again?

I'm sorry, but that's clearly not what I said. What I said, from the beginning, was:

The question, for me personally, isn't:

"Why doesn't Trump disavow every Mossad agent in public right now?"

The question, for me, is:

"Will Trump ever disavow every Mossad agent in public?"

So if you didn't want to have a conversation about that, that's fine, but that's what I was talking about from the start. I think it's a valid line of questioning, as it speaks to the goal of the plan, which I kind of care about. I kinda want to know a bit of "where are we going and how are we getting there" before I sign up for something. Call me crazy.

It's not "minutia of this case" that the OP blames Trump for shit POSobeic or Dershowitz did. It is a blatant attempt to throw stones at Trump in a passive-aggressive way because people would just laugh at the OP if he came straight out anti-Trump.

It is minutiae in the context of what I've been talking about, which is answering the second question above. I feel like I've made that clear in our conversation. You keep wanting to not talk about what I'm talking about, and that's fine, but just say you don't want to answer these questions or don't respond.

I dunno why you think my line of questioning is not allowed because people were talking about a more specific point that I find dumb....

And you want to complain about relevancy and bringing up unrelated crap, as well as bring up strawmen. I defy you to tie the above statement to anything anyone has said in this thread.

Sure. I said my main problem is this:

"Will Trump ever disavow every Mossad agent in public?"

As in: he is a known Mossad agent trying to influence the US election and change US politics. That's sedition. HE should be removed. Are we allowed to talk about that, even if Trump cannot?

If the answer is "no", as a nihilistic defeated person might assume, then the question then becomes:

"How can you say power will be returned to the people if this is your stated opinion? How does this prevent against this happening even harder later, to the point that we're all killed for disagreeing?"

If we can't, by what right do you have to claim power is being "returned" to me, if my constitutional rights are being violated?

If the answer is "yes", then this is not an issue, as he will have demonstrated actually putting America first, rather than a foreign nation.

If I can, and we are moving towards removing the scum bag, then fair enough.

You replied and said:

It might not be illegal for a US private citizen to shill for $$$ on behalf of a foreign government. What the fuck would you expect Trump to do without violating POSobeic's constitutionally-protected right to say what he wants to, even if it's shilling for Mossad? As long as POSobiec isn't openly engaging in blatant sedition, nothing can be done about it.

From that, I thought you meant that the sedition and treason he's engaging in isn't illegal, so we can't talk about it or bring it up at rallies, or chant about how Mossad must go, etc, because what he's doing is "not illegal".

If that's your contention, then my contention is that is like living "in a world of vampires who are incredibly rich and powerful who are propagandizing the entire population into allowing their children to be sacrificed because all we can expect is an armistace", as Posobiac works for Mossad, and Mossad ran the pedophile ring centered around Jeffrey Epstein, among other things.

So I think it's fair to say that if you work for an organization which has organized the rape and murder of hundreds, if not thousands or millions, of children (Mossad) for their foreign goals, then you are supporting living in a world of powerful vampires you can't name.

Perhaps you disagree?

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I thought you meant that the sedition and treason he's engaging in isn't illegal, so we can't talk about it

I literally said

I hate the POSobiec more than anyone else here, he IS a Mossad agent and deserves to be one of those who are afraid to walk down the street when truth is revealed.

How could you possibly infer from that that we shouldn't talk about POSobiec in public or at rallies? Whenever I hear the name POSobiec I hop up on a soapbox and tell everyone how bad he is.

My only contention with you off the top of my head is this:

"Why doesn't Trump disavow every Mossad agent in public right now?"

Have you ever seen a POTUS in your however many years stand up on a podium and from this official position start naming guilty people? Ever? Can't think of one example huh?

Because that's not the responsibility of the POTUS. Executive arrests, judicial proclaims guilt or innocence. If Trump declared guilt then he would be judge jury and executioner, and this wouldn't be the US.

22357519? ago

How could you possibly infer from that that we shouldn't talk about POSobiec in public or at rallies? Whenever I hear the name POSobiec I hop up on a soapbox and tell everyone how bad he is.

Well mainly because of the text I highlighted. If you're saying you meant the other thing and not what I said, then fair enough, but you've not addressed my point. For example.

My only contention with you off the top of my head is this:

"Why doesn't Trump disavow every Mossad agent in public right now?"

Have you ever seen a POTUS in your however many years stand up on a podium and from this official position start naming guilty people?

Yeah. He said Bill Clinton was going to have problems coming up because of his relationship with Epstein and his island in 2015. During the 2016 Presidential debates he said Hillary Clinton would be in jail if he was elected.

Ever?

Oh you wanted more? How about when he called out Creepy Joe Biden and Hunter? Where he pointed out they were blatantly corrupt? I mean I though I saw that this past few weeks. Call me crazy.

Can't think of one example huh?

Oh sorry was that supposed to stump me? Please don't strawman me, and take me a bit more charitably. The question is sincere and I think we can both agree you were being overly pedantic there. I'm not arguing for what you're arguing against, so please stop painting me as a Nazi.

Because that's not the responsibility of the POTUS. Executive arrests, judicial proclaims guilt or innocence. If Trump declared guilt then he would be judge jury and executioner, and this wouldn't be the US.

Isn't he in charge of the DOJ and the military? Didn't he swear an oath to the Constitution? I believe in there somewhere there is some kind of clause? I get kinda confused in clown world what people think reality is.

22357669? ago

He said Bill Clinton was going to have problems coming up because of his relationship with Epstein ... he called out Creepy Joe Biden and Hunter. ... Where he pointed out they were blatantly corrupt?

In all cases he was responding to questions asked by news reporters. Do you ever think a news reporter will ask Trump about Mossad agents?

In all cases, he was repeating what was already public knowledge. Everyone has seen photos of Clinton with Epstein, and "have problems" is very general. He was able to call out Joe Biden and Hunter because they're already in the news as being corrupt.

In both cases, justice would be served if either went to jail, regardless of whether Trump hops up on his podium and "disavows" them. We both know they have met the threshold for being jailed for what they have done, and I fully expect that Trump will have them jailed someday and will be disappointed if they aren't.

But as much of a piece of shit that POSobeic is, I can't state specifically what he might have done that is illegal. That being the case, why would Trump ever hop up on his podium and "disavow" POSobeic? With that in mind, this is a ridiculous statement: "How can you say power will be returned to the people if this is your stated opinion".

Really? You can't imagine how power will be returned to the people if Trump doesn't somehow publically disavow Posobeic? What about if he doesn't hop on a his podium and disavow every bad deep state who was fired from the FBI and CIA individually, by name? No justice will be served then either? That's called concern trolling.

22357953? ago

In all cases he was responding to questions asked by news reporters. Do you ever think a news reporter will ask Trump about Mossad agents?

That's not what I'm arguing.

In all cases, he was repeating what was already public knowledge. Everyone has seen photos of Clinton with Epstein, and "have problems" is very general. He was able to call out Joe Biden and Hunter because they're already in the news as being corrupt.

Ok I don't know what this has to do with my question.

In both cases, justice would be served if either went to jail, regardless of whether Trump hops up on his podium and "disavows" them. We both know they have met the threshold for being jailed for what they have done, and I fully expect that Trump will have them jailed someday and will be disappointed if they aren't.

I don't know what the point of this paragraph is. I don't know what you're arguing against, because it's nothing I've said.

But as much of a piece of shit that POSobeic is, I can't state specifically what he might have done that is illegal.

How is working for Mossad to influence American elections not illegal? How are you more angry at me for pointing it out than at them for it happening? How are you squaring that circle in your head.

That being the case, why would Trump ever hop up on his podium and "disavow" POSobeic? With that in mind, this is a ridiculous statement: "How can you say power will be returned to the people if this is your stated opinion".

Not even a little bit. You've still not addressed what I've said. You keep using straw men, and I don't know why.

You really are concerned about some perceived slight that you're lying I'm creating. Why are you defending foreign nationals?

Really? You can't imagine how power will be returned to the people if Trump doesn't somehow publically disavow Posobeic? What about if he doesn't hop on a his podium and disavow every bad deep state who was fired from the FBI and CIA individually, by name? No justice will be served then either? That's called concern trolling.

That's not the question I asked, much less is it my argument. I said:

As in: he is a known Mossad agent trying to influence the US election and change US politics. That's sedition. HE should be removed. Are we allowed to talk about that, even if Trump cannot?

If the answer is "no", as a nihilistic defeated person might assume, then the question then becomes:

"How can you say power will be returned to the people if this is your stated opinion? How does this prevent against this happening even harder later, to the point that we're all killed for disagreeing?"

You cut off half of what I said for some bizarre reason.

I said:

"How can you say power will be returned to the people if this is your stated opinion? How does this prevent against this happening even harder later, to the point that we're all killed for disagreeing?"

You ignored part of it for some reason. Can you try to stick to what we're talking about, and not attack me for things I never said?

Thanks.

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I don't know guy. All I see skimming over your response is "That's not what I'm arguing" and "not the question I asked".

Next time you hop into a conversation, try not to hijack it and carry it off into completely unrelated tandems, because I can guarantee you that everything I've said is 100% related to the thread I originally responded to.

22363990? ago

You still haven't addressed my original question. Do you need me to repeat it?

The question, for me personally, isn't:

"Why doesn't Trump disavow every Mossad agent in public right now?"

The question, for me, is:

"Will Trump ever disavow every Mossad agent in public?"

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22345366? ago

Probesack is a moron. An NPC they can program, thats all.

22344958? ago

I wonder why he was stumped? The DS tried to blackmail Dersh and they failed, and Dersh escaped. Probably a similar story for Starr.

22345663? ago

I think the Dersh is just staying out of jail by keeping is underwear on, so to speak.

22346544? ago

Smart move on his part. I'm sure there was a lot of pressure from his demonrat "friends" to go all in.