22153999? ago

Thank you President Trump!

22153578? ago

$50 billion? Will need to ramp that up at least 100 fold to start putting a dent in the National $20 trillion debt...

Oh the debt is just imaginary money.. Trump can pull the plug on the fed reserve anytime to clear the debt, but then agai. Why would he? Then suddenly we need to have budget balances while at the moment we just borrow more imaginary money to balance to cover the deficit. Hmm but those profiting form govt set are evil. Hmm the. We start our own central bank until a new decentralised system is established

22151728? ago

This is all still surreal to me and this is just Phase 1. He is restructuring the entire global trade flow starting with the biggest dragon which is China and he’s setting the stage for a transition away from the Federal Reserve System.

22150737? ago

No wonder the Dems want to impeach Trump! How dare Trump be so successful!

22150606? ago

Unless they have found the magic replacement to crude oil and natural gas, that is the biggest fuck up of all time.

It was spurred by big oil so that they could tap the European market were a liter of gas is going for $10. If you think this is good for the American people you are a God damned idiot.

22149946? ago

Call me silly, but I'd rather have burned up the rest of the world's oil, before we start tapping into the supply at home. Use up the saudi oil and whoever else is selling first, and work on transitioning towards fuels we won't run out of (Bio-butanol, for one), and laugh as we're the only country not crippled by the lack of oil.

22149402? ago

Work this into the thought mix patriots -- peak oil is real. Production of LIQUID petroleum, not tar sands, not coal, not bio mass, peaked around 2005. Saudi production, pumping flat out at times for years, is dropping. Production is a bell curve, the world is on the downside -- USA too. The future means slimmer supplies, higher demand, more competition for resources. As you were.

22155873? ago

Abiotic oil is real.

But I think I get your point -- our use of oil has peaked, and we're moving to other technologies?

22158656? ago

My point is this. Liquid petroleum production world wide has peaked. If abiotic oil is real, it cannot supply 80 million barrels a day.

22161840? ago

Okay, they I don't get your point at all. Well, I do, in terms of those decrying the advancements beyond the abacus.

22163685? ago

Nothing replaces liquid petroleum. There are no substitutes. Production is slowly falling. Abiotic oil cannot replace it fast enough. The results are less oil and more competition for it. It's simple really.

22171734? ago

yeah and nothing replaces the horse and buggy, carry on luddite

22172370? ago

Nope. I'm all in on energy - use lots of it. My socks are machine made, not hand woven. I watch liquid petroleum production data. It peaked around 2005 - downhill since then. That's peak oil. SolUmSain

22149126? ago

6 downvotes. 6 anti-american buffoons parading in QRV.

22148584? ago

Best President ever! And all this while the demented Dems have been breathing down his neck, working on getting him impeached. Hahahahaha! Keep it up! I think the challenge makes him stronger

22148536? ago

Instead of selling to a rival foreign power, why not pump our market and knock prices down here by a third?

22148133? ago

Why the hell are we selling the enemy the means to kill us???!! Energy is a strategic resource.

22147847? ago

Did the chinks say please and bow to us when they asked us to buy our oil? They've been fucking with us for decades and it's time for a lot of payback.

22147154? ago

This is what happens when a REAL LEADER becomes POTUS. We are so blessed that Hillbags lost the election. Its a miracle.

22147000? ago

Whenever I think about the u.s and oil l, this is where my brain goes instantly

https://invidio.us/watch?v=wQ1TgMXqZ6Y

22146878? ago

Or that we are just at the tip of much of that oil ... and remember how Obama was blocking the pipelines that made thus possible? He and the dems were destroying the us ma intentionally!!

22146853? ago

One small shout out for the previous POTUS. At least he could not STOP our energy independence from occurring...try as he may.

22146630? ago

So Us has 200 years of natural gas. Why the fuck are we selling it and not running all our cars on it ffs. Trump Needs to address this !

22146535? ago

This is some Charlie Sheen type Winning.

22146130? ago

Trump is a genius in comparison to all the self-congratulatory, self-serving corrupt DS pols who came before him.

22145861? ago

So I can expect $25 fillups soon?

22145368? ago

Then why aren't gas prices cheap?? lol you idiots

22147254? ago

Ever hear of 'supply and demand' and market prices? You are looking into the mirror when you call us idiots.........its called projection. Go shill somewhere else, shill.

22147391? ago

oy vey there's plenty of oil, goys, but oy vey we need to sell it for many times its worth praise israel and jews

22145236? ago

We always had huge oil

22145194? ago

And it will only cost us our tech companies and the surveillance state. Amazing deal.

Fucking KEK.

22145135? ago

Then why aren't we paying under a buck a gallon.

22144877? ago

Yay!!! Now we have $50B more to give to Israel!!

22144774? ago

It is THE biggest red pill > NO MORE BLOOD AND TREASURE FOR OIL. <

Numero Uno.

22144675? ago

what do you mean YOU PEOPLE, REEEE.

No it is great, will help offset the cost of giving kikes $40B over the next decade as a thank you for wiping out half the white male population at the beginning of last century.

22144609? ago

No wonder the Democrats want the Green Agenda so bad because they want us destroyed not independent.

22144589? ago

Me thinks we should sell them all that crude shit, make bank and then release free energy to our people!

22144470? ago

Unfortunately not many realize the significance. The only news covering it is Fox and they’re doing a bad job at it. Eventually people will realize how much greater the economy is, even if they don’t know it’s because of the USMCA.

22144337? ago

Does anyone realize how amazing it is we get overcharged and taxed on a product we produce in excess to the point of export?

22144217? ago

USA was never dependent on Saudi oil, Hell it never imported Saudi oil. We were always a combo of domestic supply and importing from Canada, Mexico, and South America. Butt Europe was and is utterly dependent on Arab oil. Thus our constant worry about Arab oil, because if prices skyrocket in Europe, then they will follow suit in the USA because its a global oil market.

Come on people get this one right.

22144203? ago

My personal opinion, but I am not the only one who shares it... it goes like this:

The USA was never short of oil, but they decided back in the sixties to turn off US oil and go long on Saudi oil instead, end the gold standard, and create the petro dollar, partly to finance the Vietnam war, partly to stop the draining of the gold reserves, and partly to use up Saudi oil reserves instead of American oil reserves.

But that was then and this is now. Now solar is getting dirt cheap, and both hot and cold fusion are right around the corner. Now is a good time to sell off those oil reserves while they still have some sale value. If the price trend in solar continues over the next twenty years as it has done in the last twenty years, solar will become the cheapest form of energy on the planet over all other sources. Fusion may come in as even cheaper than that, but you won't be able to raise the price above solar, so the profits will be suppressed for fusion as well.

Oil is still the largest energy market on the planet, and will remain so for some time to come, but it is absolutely in the later half of it's lifecycle as a viable energy source, for economic reasons. Coal used to be king at one time too, and America has at least 400 years worth of coal reserves... but at the end of 2019 you could buy a thermal ton of coal for $67. There's not a lot of profit there even on the largest scale of production. The price for wood pellets in Mass at the end of 2019 started about $275 per ton.

People may criticize Musk and his Tesla company, and with good reason, but they may have also failed to notice that every major car manufacturer is now producing electric vehicles as well.

They are not worried about peak oil supply. They are worried about peak oil demand.

22144188? ago

As I still pay 2.50 at the pump..

22144110? ago

Exact reason why the dems wanted to ban fracking and oil drilling in Alaska.

22144050? ago

They haven't been dependent for a long time. That was the whole problem. - The US never actually TOOK the damn fucking oil in iraq. That's the irony but all those stupid wars supposedly started for "oil" - We never needed it in the first place.

22144453? ago

Oil companies make the most profit with oil from materials made other than gas or diesel.

22144281? ago

They weren't started for oil.

Look at the people who actually made money. Halliburton started mass production of those mobile housing pods for soldiers in 2002. Far more than were needed for Afghanistan. We went to Iraq in 2003.

That's just one example of the bullshit that went into the Iraq war. Even if Sadam surrendered when given that "24 hours to comply," I guarantee we still would have invaded.

22144997? ago

And the Shock N Awe references are a play on words of Shekinah, the presence of God.

22143984? ago

And that we are 20 plus trillion in debt . And that we been at war for 19 years. Yah AMAZING STUFF. iT IS SO AMAZING. YA LOOK WE MAKE THE MONEY FROM OIL SELLS. HAHAHA LOOK WE DO GOOD VERY GOOD BEST AMERICA

Sorry pal but it is all shit.

22143757? ago

". . . and just sold $50 billion in crude oil and natural gas to China"

Why the f_ck are we selling this strategic resource abroad, let alone to China?

Don't be confused my the statistics related to the USMCA given above. These are two separate issues.

22143665? ago

Didn't he sell rice to China also?

22143620? ago

Decouple the dollar from oil

22143619? ago

Not only is it the biggest producer. Canada which basically only has crude oil as a source of income, sells all of it to the US, still! And Canada imports processed oil from the US.

It's fucking pathetic! Refine the oil yourselves, it will create jobs and save money how obvious does it need to be. And for gods sake stop selling oil to the country that has the most oil, they just resell it! Sell it yourselves!

For fucks sake I'm just a dude sitting around doing basic normal work and I feel like I could administrate the country better than he Prime Minister.

22143538? ago

Winning!

22143245? ago

Remember that when US price doubles and triples.

Because it is coming,west Texas is ready to ramp up production along with N Dakota.

Watch for it

22143219? ago

This is simply amazing

22143207? ago

Our Gen X grew up with that albatross around our neck. We recognized the dangers of dealing with the Middle East, but we had to because, at on time, I think we were getting 60 percent of our oil from foreign sources, very few of them particularly friendly.

22143192? ago

The US was never really dependent on foreign oil...the deep state just made it appear like we were so they could manipulate the market and charges us more for it...that was the point of the oil crisis of the 70ies that just got worse as time pasted...

Is also why they are keeping the price of lithium batteries artificially high to prevent the explosion of electric cars and off grid solar powered home sales...which there would be 1000x more of if not for the illegal price fixing being committed by ALL the lithium battery manufacturers...who have all been charged and convicted for it...but the fines they receive are peanuts compared to the profits...and someone within the government is allowing them to get away with it rather then giving harsher penalties for repeat offenders...

And take a guess who the biggest offender is...I will give you a hint...they are partners with the largest electric car company in the world that doubled world lithium battery production in the last 10 years...

Lithium battery prices should be less then half what they currently are...and I don't think most even realize what that would mean if it were a reality.....Probably at least 50% of the cars on the road would be electric and growing fast annually...

Likely the same for off grid solar powered homes...it would spread like wild fire.

Especially when they are so desperate to push the man made climate change hoax on us...yet do everything they can to keep us burning their oil...

Lithium batteries are dangerous...they explode...they catch fire...they pollute more to produce ect ect...big oil has had a disinformation campaign going on doing everything the can to demonize lithium batteries...which also ended the sale of cheaper lithium batteries from China by getting them declared a hazardous goods which more then tripled shipping costs...

Just a couple ways the greedy Deep State has lied to and manipulated the people of the world...suppressing technology to maximize profiting off us...which I seriously don't know why I even bother wasting my time saying it...SMFH.

22166112? ago

I never heard about this before. Thanks for your comment.

22145027? ago

I am listening intently Sir. <

22143560? ago

I read every word. Thank you for sharing.

22143177? ago

Do you all know how Alaska was made "American"?

Sooner or later, FRNs will collapse. We will go into a depression worse than any experinced in US before. The slavers are already positioning CA to be acquired more than it already is, but they will again hold depression in place until they have acquired as much as possible.

If Trump makes a deal for Greenland, look for the same incentives that encouraged people to make Alaska "American".

If Trump is looking to acquire regions for the US, and not for other nations as every administration has done for a while... anticipate incentives to take part in Greenland. It would be a fantastic opportunity for good, K selected, people. It could be that an artic island is the only place decent people might be allowed to live and let live... but probably not.

Who else wants Greenland?

With freedom comes wealth. With wealth comes everyone else. If you want to keep freedom, freedom should be the most attractive thing about the free society.

It''ll be difficult to free "paradise" along the equator where any r selected folk can easily survive. It'll be a tougher sell to bribe r selected people to invade a harsh, artic, frontier.

Though I suspect it would be infeasible to bribe an r selected invasion to displace the K selected citizens if the K selected citizens defended freedom, and didn't allow for the dysgenics that is forced redistribution of wealth.

22147224? ago

Excellent theory.

Note however the 100,000 Somalians that 0zer0 shipped to MN. Nastiest state for winter and you'd figure these Saharan Africans could not tolerate it all. (I'd figure they migrate from to the south or west). But they're staying put! Even elected a Islamic to Congress.

So Greenland being cold may not be enough to keep out such people.

22147662? ago

I agree. Freedom is the way.

22143142? ago

I remember waiting for hours in line to buy gas and not being allowed to buy gas on certain days so this is actually very huge

22143791? ago

I remember those days vividly. I also remember that until recently it was illegal to sell US oil abroad.

22149985? ago

It still ought to be. that should be OUR oil, hang onto it for a rainy day.

22143090? ago

It truly is amazing, and often overlooked. Trump wouldn’t be able to pursue his current foreign policy without energy independence. This is probably why the left is so obsessed with crippling North American energy infrastructure.

22150912? ago

I was just thinking the exact same thing today. And explains a big part of why it’s important to do things in the right order. This is important for the “arrests or GTFO” people to understand. Done in the wrong order it would hold our economic stability hostage.

22143058? ago

What we're dependant on is debt. All sectors; debt securities and loans; liability, 74 trillion https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TCMDO

Derived from: https://www.federalreserve.gov/apps/fof/SeriesAnalyzer.aspx?s=FL894104005&t=

What President Trump is playing for is the day after.

22143275? ago

That is a project that will have to be taken up. I assume it is on Trump's agenda to tackle once some of this other stuff is meted out and Congress is not so full of Democrats and RINO's. The only way you can get those guys to sign off on anything is by giving them a bunch of pet pork projects.

22143045? ago

do you realize how stupid america is we start selling when the prices are at the very bottom opec and other nations where selling a bunch more when prices where sky high. brilliant

22143029? ago

I think it's great but fracking on fault lines seems dangerous. Particularly in California.

22143000? ago

Do people realize how amazing it is that the U.S. is no longer dependent on middle east oil, is now the largest producer of crude oil, and just signed a $50 billion oil/gas deal with China?

Yes. People do realize this. Hundreds of millions of people realize this. In fact, many of those people have written extensively on the topic. Here are a few samples. Many, many more available:

Sample one

Sample two

Sample three

22142976? ago

And we have not even touched Gull island reserves, the largest pool of oil on Earth.

22144948? ago

http://www.petroleumnews.com/pntruncate/690171677.shtml

Gull Island buzz: 200 years of oil from Alaska’s North Slope?

Along with a surging interest in fuel-efficient automobiles and biking to work, the legend of Alaska’s Gull Island, a speck of land four miles or so offshore the North Slope in the middle of Prudhoe Bay, seems to have an uncanny ability to appear when the United States is facing soaring oil and gasoline prices.

Back in 1981 when crude oil prices hit unimaginable highs in excess of $30 per barrel, a letter from U.S. Rep. Bob Stump of Arizona popped into the mail bag of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in Anchorage, Alaska.

“I have been contacted by several constituents concerning the recent allegations of a massive oil find off the North Slope on Gull Island. Those allegations range from a business cover-up to a giant federal conspiracy to perpetuate our energy crisis,” Stump said. “I would appreciate any information that you can offer me that will aid with my correspondence with these constituents.”

Some of Stump’s constituents had presumably been reading a book called “The Energy Non-Crisis,” written by sometime Baptist missionary Lindsey Williams and published in 1980. Williams’ book included a description of the Gull Island field.

And, as oil prices started climbing in 2006, this time past $60 per barrel, Williams told a meeting of the Midwest Concerned Citizens group in Kansas City about how the fabulous Gull Island field could supply the United States with oil for 200 years. Gasoline prices could drop to just $1.50 per gallon if only the U.S. government and the oil companies were to open the spigots on the vast, undisclosed North Slope oil reserves, he said.

North Slope chaplain

Williams said that in the 1970s Alyeska Pipeline Service Co. had given him a position as chaplain for people working on the northern section of the trans-Alaska oil pipeline and the camp at Prudhoe Bay. He said that Alyeska became so pleased with his success in counseling workers that they gave him executive privileges on the North Slope, thus enabling him to sit in on board meetings held by company executives.

Williams said that in 1976 he stumbled across the discovery of a vast oil field penetrated by an exploration well drilled on Gull Island by ARCO. He said that at the time of the discovery he had attended the management meeting in ARCO’s North Slope base camp, in which the “top eight oil company men of the world” had confirmed the find. But ARCO refused to make public the Gull Island discovery and the field has remained a closely guarded secret ever since, Williams said.

Williams outlined the field’s characteristics in a second edition of the “The Energy Non-Crisis.” The Gull Island field has a 1,200-foot thick pay zone and an area four times the size of the giant Prudhoe Bay field, he said. He said that three wells drilled from Gull Island had encountered the field, as did a well at East Dock. All wells drilled in an area extending 40 miles to the east of Gull Island had struck oil, thus demonstrating the huge areal extent of the field, he said.

And now, with oil prices moving through $130 per barrel, a flood of Internet chat has appeared on the subject of the supposed government and oil industry Gull Island secret — at the time of writing this article a Google search for “Gull Island” resulted in multiple pages of hits. Although some Web sites question Williams’ claims, many seem to view the claims as evidence of government manipulation of the price of oil and a cover-up of the real status of world oil reserves.

“The public needs to demand the opening of the Gull Island oil field,” appears as a call in some sites.

And Petroleum News has heard of congressional staffers in Washington, D.C., asking questions about the truth behind the Gull Island story.

One Internet site quotes an official in Alaska’s Division of Oil and Gas expressing concern that Gull Island might explode because of excessive amounts of underground oil, thus causing an environmental disaster (hint: the url for the Web site begins with the word “sirsatire”).

Three wells

So what are the facts concerning oil drilling at Gull Island?

There have been three wells drilled from the island. And, although these wells were tight at the time of the drilling, the data from the wells are now in the public record. Williams’ supposed Gull Island field discovery presumably relates to the Gull Island State No. 1 well, completed and suspended by ARCO in 1976.

In a response to Rep. Stump’s 1981 letter AOGCC Commissioner Harry Kugler set the record straight on the two Gull Island wells that had been drilled at that time (Gull Island State No. 3 wasn’t drilled until 1992). The Gull Island No. 1 well tested 1,144 barrels of oil per day in “the equivalent of the North Prudhoe Bay (Permo-Triassic) reservoir,” while the Gull Island No. 2 well tested 2,971 barrels of oil per day from the Lisburne, Kugler said.

“We do not believe the evidence from these two wells indicates a massive new oil find,” Kugler said. “Additional wells will have to be drilled and additional studies made before the economic feasibility of developing these known reservoirs is determined.”

Geologist Peter Barker didn’t sit in on senior oil company executive board meetings, but he did sit the Gull Island No. 1 well in 1976 (“sitting a well” is geologist speak for monitoring and interpreting the geologic evidence from a well while the well is being drilled). The objective of the Gull Island drilling was to test a deep structure on the north side of a geologic fault, to the north of the Prudhoe Bay field, Barker told Petroleum News July 7. The drilling proved disappointing, he said.

“There was an (oil and gas) trap there but there wasn’t an economic quantity of oil,” he said.

However, the drilling team did recover a beautiful core sample from the Ivishak formation, the main reservoir rock in the Prudhoe Bay field. Because Gull Island is closer to the inferred source of the sand that constitutes the Ivishak sandstone, the sandstone is coarser grained at Gull Island than in the Prudhoe Bay field, Barker said.

Barker said that the drilling results were extremely confidential at the time of drilling — the critical data display instrumentation was even covered, to prevent unauthorized viewing of data. “We ran it as a very tight hole,” he said. “… There was no information that got out of there.”

In fact, the electric well logs were taken off the North Slope in a very secure manner and were unlikely to have even been seen in ARCO’s North Slope camp, Barker said.

Long-time Alaska geologist David Hite also sat the well briefly and told Petroleum News that only ARCO personnel were allowed on the rig and rig floor. If necessary, one expert from the mud logging company was allowed to come in to troubleshoot the mud logging, Hite said. And Barker recalls the expert having to determine, without being allowed to see the instrumentation, why the gas detectors failed to signal gas as the well penetrated the Sag River formation, the uppermost reservoir rock at Prudhoe Bay. It turned out that mud from the well had formed a dam, blocking new mud from reaching the detectors, Barker said.

Ken Bird, a U.S. Geological Survey geologist and an expert on North Slope geology, provided Petroleum News with some geologic perspective on the Gull Island drilling.

“Three directional wells have been drilled from Gull Island in Prudhoe Bay to different subsurface targets, all of which tested different geologic ‘prospects’ in and beyond the northern boundary of the earlier discovered Prudhoe Bay oil and gas accumulation,” Bird said.

The Gull Island State No. 1 well drilled a faulted block of rock known as a horst and recovered oil from a very thin, 9-foot-thick interval at the base of the Shublik formation, Bird said. Gull Island State No. 2, completed in 1977, was deviated to the southeast to delineate the gas cap of the previously discovered Prudhoe Bay field and the underlying Lisburne oil pool, he said. The Gull Island State No. 3 well drilled in 1992 targeted a Cretaceous horizon in an area between the two older wells but proved to be a dry hole, Bird said.

Since 1980 at least four oil pools, the West Beach, Niakuk, Point McIntyre and North Prudhoe pools, as well as Prudhoe Bay satellites, have been delineated and developed in the area immediately around the Gull Island wells, Bird said. The four pools in the immediate Gull Island area are all currently in production: According to Alaska’s Division of Oil and Gas 2007 annual report, Point McIntyre had a cumulative production of 395.6 million barrels of oil at the end of 2006, with 164 million barrels of remaining reserves. The other three pools are much smaller than Point McIntyre.

“Both the geologic evidence and the small area not yet developed into oil fields around the Gull Island wells preclude the possibility of a giant oil accumulation,” Bird said.

But the Gull Island legend seems to persist. And just to cap it all, used versions of Williams’ book “The Non-Energy Crisis” have appeared on Amazon.com as collector’s items — on July 7 three copies were listed with prices ranging from $1,299 to $1,499.

Maybe there’s money to be made from Gull Island after all.

—Alan Bailey

22142842? ago

I do and others should too. It’s just that the msm creates the reality for the world and if they don’t make a big deal about it, nobody will know.

22142821? ago

Wages have grown for the low income workers because of state minimum wage increases. The current federal administration had nothing to do with that.

22142871? ago

That’s fake growth. Forced wages is antithetical to capitalism. To force a wage increase, inevitably forces the price for that good or service to increase, causing less business, causing less profit, which will cause layoffs. The hand is supposed to be invisible or haven’t u taken Econ 101 yet?

22143075? ago

I have had Statistics classes too and know that numbers can be manipulated to show what you want to show.

The jobs numbers, for instance. Do those numbers come from the unemployment rolls? Do the new state laws mandating you search for work remove those unwilling or unable to comply from the unemployed rolls? If so, instant better jobs numbers (also from state laws, not federal).

22143130? ago

Not sure anon, I’d have to really look the sectors over and we’d have to agree upon a proper accounting method because as u claim, these numbers are almost always susceptible to rigging. But one thing I am sure about, regardless of industry sector and that is that forced wages is basically the opposite of a capitalistic system.

22144062? ago

Agreed. I also have conflicted opinions about unions, too.

22144073? ago

Lol me too.

22142816? ago

I do not think it is a coincidence how, when the US achieved energy independence, the international mass media started ramping up "climate change" a thousand times over.

22151708? ago

This is the most retarded thing ever. We should be using up THEIR oil FIRST. Morons. Morons. Morons. We should TAKE their oil since we have greater use for it. We can then use our oil here after our oil supply there dries up or becomes too expensive to extract.

22167725? ago

What if oil is a renewable resource? How do dead animals turn into energy rich oil anyways?

22155610? ago

I think the days of oil are numbered, anyway.

22149691? ago

...and has pushed to vilify nuclear ... because of course you can't have a super-abundant, cheap, reliable source of essentially non-polluting and zero-emission power if your goal is to drive power prices to the moon, now can you!?

...supposedly, there are 3 if not more plants rigged to blow just like Fukushima was -- if you've never looked into it, Fukushima was another 9/11 -- Just like Building 7 fell "all by itself" (no fire, no plane...) -- The 2nd reactor that "melted down" at Fukushima was DISASSEMBLED and DE-FUELED for maintenance. They've since made up other possible 'causes', but they're ALL bullshit. Only nukes can turn 12 foot thick concrete to dust ... and what do you know, our miniaturized nuke technology was stolen / exported recently.

...read about the >1000 pound "security cameras" ("they're STEREOSCOPIC, that's why their so big!" [aren't new iPhones stereoscopic!?]) installed INSIDE the reactor containment domes @ Fukushima shortly before the "disaster" ... read about the 'moving' earthquake epicenter, which the news made stronger and stronger as weeks passed from the disaster (originally much smaller than 9.0).

The kicker: can you guess where the company that installed the "security cameras" in Japan's reactors is based out of!? c'mon, three guesses ... (you won't need 'em!)!

22148451? ago

Freaking amazing!

22145138? ago

Remember -- they will credit Obama with achieving US energy independence. It was in Obama's written platform.

22142786? ago

So what's up with freshman Senator Rick Scott (R-FL)?

2 days ago he had what now appears to be an audition for Fox and then yesterday he was interviewed (again) so he could bash the China trade deal.

On and on re the many times China swore to uphold whatever they signed (trade deals with previous admins) only to ignore the promises with no repercussions.

He did kiss his own ass by stating he "hopes" history will be changed with #45"s deal but doubts it.

Was he just a stand in for Romney?

22142731? ago

We haven't been dependent upon foreign oil ever. It's shit oil companies making money on exports that raise prices at home. So if Saudi were to turn off their taps completely, even though we don't use Saudi oil, oil prices here would skyrocket because of the global supply and demand. Petroleum companies here have foreign investors and aren't completely US owned, so they wouldn't be okay with them not exporting.

22143074? ago

But, the US increased it’s available supply, which caused prices to drop or remain flat. Had the US not done this then the prices would be much higher. You are correct that if opec cut supply then the price rises. What’s your point?

22144141? ago

The US hasn't been dependent upon foreign oil in the last century.

22142722? ago

could have been shipping more clean USA coal to China, but the shitstain communist in Seattle blocked that from happening a few years ago (before Pres. Trump on the scene) - didn't want the train loads of coal passing through their city on the way to a new super tech coal handling facility to be built in Bellingham, WA

22142763? ago

No such thing as clean coal you retard

22143317? ago

Yeah there is, and the US is the world's leading producer of it. I think it's properties make it harder with so that it burns cleaner than some other coal. Plus, with the use of smoke stack scrubbing technology, the "smoke" is actually mostly just water vapor.

22143799? ago

I’m a chemical engineer. Please tell me what you THINK clean coal is?

22144520? ago

It is well known that the US has a much larger supply of cleaner burning coal than that mined in China. It is one of a number of reasons that China has such a problem with wintertime smog when people are burning their coal to keep warm.

22144556? ago

You didn’t answer the question. What do you think clean coal means?

22145163? ago

Part 6 >

Zero Emission Platform (ZEP), founded in 2005, is a European CCS lobby group involving major utilities. ZEP serves as advisor to the European Commission on the research, demonstration and deployment of CCS. However, early in 2015 RWE, Vattenfall and Gas Natural Fenosa (also apparently EdF) dropped out, pleading restricted time and budget and saying that “we do not have the necessary economic framework conditions in Europe to make CCS an attractive technology to invest in.”

In Netherlands, the Rotterdam Opslag and Afvang Demonstratieproject (ROAD, Rotterdam Capture and Storage Demonstration Project) set up by E.On and GdF Suez/ Engie aimed to capture 1.1 Mt CO2/yr from a 250 MWe coal-fired plant at the Maasvlakte-3 plant in Rotterdam. However, it was abandoned in mid-2017, leaving no other European CCS power projects.

In Germany, Vattenfall’s Schwarze Pumpe lignite power plant started a 30 MW pilot CCS project in 2007, but never proceeded past this and the company will abandoned the project in 2018. In 2014 Vattenfall announced it would abandon CCS altogether.

Rest of world

In China, the first phase of Huaneng Group’s $1.5 billion GreenGen project – a 250 MWe oxyfuel IGCC power plant burning syngas (mainly hydrogen and carbon monoxide) from coal feed – commenced operation at Tianjin in 2012 and has been fully operational since 2014. The second phase involves a pilot plant which draws about 7% of the syngas from the IGCC power plant, shifts CO and water to CO2 and H2, then separates the CO2 from the H2 after desulphurisation, and produces electricity from hydrogen. The 60,000 to 100,000 tpa CO2 is used for enhanced oil recovery. Phase 3 will be a 400 MWe commercial IGCC plant with CCS to capture up to 2 million tonnes of CO2 per year, from about 2020.

The Sinopec Shengli power plant CCS project is planned to come online in 2018, with post-combustion capture and 1 Mt/yr CO2 used for EOR.

The Uthmaniyah project in the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia commissioned in 2015 will capture around 800,000 tonnes of CO2 per year from the Hawiyah natural gas liquids recovery plant to be injected for enhanced oil recovery (EOR) at the Ghawar oilfield.

In Australia the $240 million Callide Oxyfuel project in Queensland aims to demonstrate oxyfuel capture technology retrofitted to a 30 MW unit of an existing coal-fired power plant and to research how it might be applied to new power stations. The plant was commissioned in 2012 and was to run for an extended test period until November 2014. By mid-2013 the project had demonstrated CO2 capture rates from the oxyfuel flue gas stream to the CO2 capture plant in excess of 85%, and produced a high quality CO2 product suitable for geological storage. The project achieved more than 10,000 hours of oxy-combustion and more than 5,000 hours of carbon capture from Callide A. The plant was then decommissioned. CS Energy led the project and is working closely with an international team of partners including IHI Corporation (Japan), J-Power (Japan), Mitsui & Company (Japan), and Xstrata Coal.

Also in Australia the $150 million Delta Post Combustion Capture project hosted at Delta’s 1320 MWe Vales Point coal-fired power station in NSW aimed to demonstrate capture and sequestration of 100,000 t/yr of CO2 by 2015. However, after massive losses the plant was sold for a token sum in November 2015, with no mention of the CCS project.

Both Australian projects were funded by federal and state governments and the coal industry.

Gasification processes

In conventional plants coal, often pulverised, is burned with excess air (to give complete combustion), resulting in very dilute carbon dioxide at the rate of 800 to 1200 g/kWh.

Gasification converts the coal to burnable gas with the maximum amount of potential energy from the coal being in the gas.

In Integrated Gasification Combined Cycle (IGCC) the first gasification step is pyrolysis, from 400°C up, where the coal in the absence of oxygen rapidly gives carbon-rich char and hydrogen-rich volatiles.

In the second step the char is gasified from 700°C up to yield gas, mostly CO, leaving ash. With oxygen feed, the gas is not diluted with nitrogen.

The key reactions today are C + O2 to CO, and the water gas reaction: C + H2O (steam) to CO & H2 – syngas, which reaction is endothermic.

In gasification, including that using oxygen, the O2 supply is much less than required for full combustion, so as to yield CO and H2. The hydrogen has a heat value of 121 MJ/kg – about five times that of the coal, so it is a very energy-dense fuel. However, the air separation plant to produce oxygen consumes up to 20% of the gross power of the whole IGCC plant system. This syngas can then be burned in a gas turbine, the exhaust gas from which can then be used to raise steam for a steam turbine, hence the "combined cycle" in IGCC.

To achieve a much fuller clean coal technology in the future, the water-shift reaction will become a key part of the process so that:

C + O2 gives CO, and
C + H2O gives CO & H2, then the
CO + H2O gives CO2 & H2 (the water-shift reaction).

The products are then concentrated CO2 which can be captured, and hydrogen. (There is also some hydrogen from the coal pyrolysis), which is the final fuel for the gas turbine.

Overall thermal efficiency for oxygen-blown coal gasification, including carbon dioxide capture and sequestration, is about 73%. Using the hydrogen in a gas turbine for electricity generation is efficient, so the overall system has long-term potential to achieve an efficiency of up to 60%.

Present trends

The clean coal technology field is moving in the direction of coal gasification with a second stage so as to produce a concentrated and pressurised carbon dioxide stream followed by its separation and geological storage. This technology has the potential to provide what may be called "zero emissions" – in reality, extremely low emissions of the conventional coal pollutants, and as low-as-engineered carbon dioxide emissions.

This has come about as a result of the realisation that efficiency improvements, together with the use of natural gas and renewables such as wind will not provide the deep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions necessary to meet future national targets.

The US DOE sees "zero emissions" coal technology as a core element of its future energy supply in a carbon-constrained world. It had an ambitious program to develop and demonstrate the technology and have commercial designs for plants with an electricity cost of only 10% greater than conventional coal plants available by 2012, but this is at least postponed.

Australia is very well endowed with carbon dioxide storage sites near major carbon dioxide sources, but as elsewhere, demonstration plants will be needed to gain public acceptance and show that the storage is permanent.

Natural gas as alternative fuel

There are many advocates for the use of natural gas as an alternative to coal for electricity generation, on the grounds that it emits much less CO2 per kWh generated. This is true on almost any basis of comparison, but it ignores the global warming potential of leaked natural gas, and the CO2 emissions in transporting it as LNG (up to one third of the energy is consumed in transport). Leakage of 3% of the natural gas will bring it into approximate parity with coal-fired electricity in terms of global warming effect.

There is a range of ways of using natural gas primarily for power generation:

Central Heat and Power (CHP) – Typically burn in a combined cycle gas turbine (CCGT) for electricity, using exhaust gas to heat steam boiler to make more electricity, and finally using "the exhaust stream to heat buildings or other purposes. Thermodynamic efficiencies of 80% for this have been reported.

Combined cycle gas turbine – On its own, the best efficiency is GE's H series, which claims 60% efficiency.

Direct gas turbine – high 30's% efficiency, or straight steam boiler with about 40% efficiency (now obsolete).

All of these have potential for CCS. Methane when burned gives CO2 and water, the latter is easily separated. With high efficiencies the nitrogen proportion should be less that that with low efficiency, such as most coal.

Sources:

International Energy Agency, World Energy Outlook 2018

Prime Minister's Science Engineering and Innovation Council, Australia 2002, Beyond Kyoto report

David Cain & staff, Rio Tinto, pers. comm.

Smith, D 2002, CO2 capture articles in Modern Power Systems, Nov-Dec 2002

World Coal Institute, publications on Clean Coal Technologies

Australian Coal Association (integrated into the Minerals Council of Australia in 2013)

COAL21 Fund

World Coal Institute, Sustainable Entrepreneurship: the Way Forward for the Coal Industry

International Energy Agency 2002, Key World Energy Statistics

International Energy Agency 2002, Solutions for 21st Century – Zero emissions technologies for fossil fuels

US DOE 27/2/03 announcement

US DOE NETL 21/3/03, Carbon sequestration – technology roadmap and program plan.

Gale, J., Geological storage of CO2: What do we know, where are the gaps and what more needs to be done?, Energy, Vol. 29, issue 9, pages 1329-1338 (2004)

US DOE Clean Coal Research

National Enhanced Oil Recovery Initiative (NEORI)

Michel J.H., Lost hopes for CCS – added urgency for renewable energy, Air Pollution & Climate Secretariat, Air Pollution and Climate Series 28, June 2013

International Energy Agency, Energy Technology Perspectives 2016 & 2017

Royal Academy of Engineering, CCS Forum Report, 10-12 February 2016

Carbon capture and storage a global priority, Engerati (3 August 2016)

A pathway to zero emissions from coal, World Coal Association website

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Other demonstration projects

North America

The US Department of Energy (DOE) has said that funding would be made available to assist other projects that aim to add carbon capture and storage (CCS) to existing coal plants, but will no longer include hydrogen production as part of the project. Over half of the CO2 capture projects in development or operation globally are in North America, and all but one of these is oriented to provide CO2 for enhanced oil recovery (EOR).

Duke Energy Corp in the USA is building a $3 billion, 618 MWe, IGCC plant at Edwardsport, Indiana ($4850/kW). This is a regulated plant, but Duke says that consumers will not be asked to pay for more than $2.72 billion of its final construction cost, excluding financing.

In Texas, the Petra Nova project near Houston, a partnership of the US DOE, NRG Energy and JX Nippon, is set up to capture 1.4 million tonnes of CO2 per year (90%) from NRG's WA Parish 240 MWe power plant and use it for enhanced oil recovery. In a post-combustion process the flue gas is cooled and the CO2 removed by amine scrubbing. The CO2 is released from the solvent with low-pressure steam. The Petra Nova Parish plant started up late in 2016 on time and on budget, and is the largest post-combustion carbon capture project installed on an existing coal-fuelled power plant.

By April 2017 it had delivered 300,000 tonnes of CO2 through a 30 km pipeline to the West Ranch oilfield to increase oil production from 300 to 15,000 barrels per day. The system captures more than 90% of carbon emissions from a 240 MW equivalent stream of flue gas, and is rated at 4,776 tonnes of CO2 captured daily, effectively 1.4 million tonnes per year. The plant is reported to cover costs through the economic benefit of enhanced oil recovery. The $1 billion plant was financed with loans from the Japan Bank for International Cooperation and Mizuho Bank, supported by Nippon Export and Investment Insurance. The project also obtained $167 million in grants from the US DOE’s Clean Coal Power Initiative program.

Summit Power Group's Texas Clean Energy Project (TCEP) at Penwell is a 377 MWe IGCC power plant burning coal with CCS, capturing 90% of CO2 and 90% of NOx. It has $450 million funding from the DOE Clean Coal Power Initiative towards its $2.4 billion cost. It was due to operate from 2015, but construction start is not yet in sight. Of the approx 2.9 million t/yr of CO2 captured, 83% will be used for enhanced oil recovery in the West Texas Basin. Of the 377 MWe, 106 MW will be used to run the major project equipment on site, 16 MW will be used to compress CO2, and 42 MW will be used to produce urea, leaving 214 MWe for the grid. In December 2015 Summit signed an engineering, procurement and construction (EPC) contract with China Huanqui Contracting & Engineering Corporation (HQC), a subsidiary of China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC), and SNC-Lavalin.

Mississippi Power and Southern Company's Kemper County Energy Facility in Mississippi was due to start up in 2016, but costs have blown out from $2.9 billion to over $7.5 billion. In June 2017 the company suspended start-up and operations activities involving the lignite gasification portion of the project in response to an order from the Mississippi Public Service Commission to remove financial risk to ratepayers over “unproven technology”. Though the company said that the lignite gasification part of the plant worked, the combined-cycle plant is being fully converted to operate using natural gas, as it has been for over two years, and the Mississippi Public Service Commission will relicense it accordingly. The plant aimed to gasify lignite using two transport integrated gasification (TIG) units and burn the syngas, principally hydrogen, using IGCC to generate 582 MWe of electricity, then capture 65% of the CO2 – 3 Mt/yr – which would be sold for enhanced oil recovery. Southern Company planned to pass on $4.2 billion in costs to (its subsidiary) Mississippi Power ratepayers, but in mid-2017 announced that it would absorb $5.87 billion in losses on the project. The lignite gasification plant is not expected to be competitive with gas prices below $5 per million BTU.

Net Power, backed by Toshiba, Exelon and others, has started to construct a 50 MWth plant in La Porte, Texas in March 2016 with oxy-fuel combustion of natural gas and recycled CO2 driving a turbine (Allam cycle) so that the plant produces only electricity, water and pipeline-ready CO2. Net Power stated in May 2018 that the project achieved first firing of a commercial-scale combustor made by Toshiba Energy Systems & Solutions. The companies are aiming to develop larger 300-MWe commercial-scale plants by 2021.

In Canada, a 110 MWe coal-fired plant is the world’s only commercial-scale CCS power station, operating from early 2015. SaskPower’s Boundary Dam unit 3 plant came online in October 2014. Prior to upgrading it at a cost of C$ 1.47 billion, with C$ 900 million of this for the CCS system, it operated at 139 MWe and released 3604 t CO2 per day. It now releases 354 t/day, so captures about 90%, more than one million tonnes per year. However, SaskPower is not installing CCS on units 4&5.

The Quest project in Canada’s oil sands commissioned in 2015 captures up to 1 million tonnes of CO2 per year from hydrogen production at the Scotford Oil Sands Upgrader for storage at a depth of about 2 km in an onshore saline aquifer.

Europe

In 2007, EU leaders endorsed a European Commission plan for up to 12 CCS demonstration power plants by 2015. In mid-2017 there are no such plants, nor any plans. CCS was also promoted by the International Energy Agency (IEA) and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) as a promising means of transition to a low-carbon economy.

The CCPilot 100+ project at Ferrybridge in West Yorkshire, UK, has commenced operation. It can capture 100 tonnes of CO2 per day from 5 MWe of coal-fired power plant. The operator is Scottish & Southern Energy in collaboration with Vattenfall and Doosan Babcock. It uses a post-combustion amine scrubbing process and is subsidised by the government. Vattenfall expected to apply experience from it to a much larger demonstration plant at Jaenschwalde in Germany, to operate from 2015, but cancelled the project at the end of 2011.

In the UK a competition was launched by the UK government in 2007 to support a coal-fired power plant demonstrating the full chain of CCS technologies (capture, transport, and storage) on a commercial scale. The winning project bid would have to demonstrate post-combustion capture (including oxyfuel) on a coal-fired power station, with the carbon dioxide being transported and stored offshore. The project would have to capture around 90% of the CO2 emitted by the equivalent of 300MW-400MW generating capacity. The successful project bid should demonstrate the entire CCS chain by 2014. A further CCS commercialisation competition was launched in 2012, and in 2013 the government selected two proposals, the White Rose Project and the Peterhead project, which were both funded to undertake engineering work. It was envisaged that the companies would make final investment decisions about the end of 2015, with the government taking funding decisions then. However, in November 2015 the government announced withdrawal of funding for both projects.

Scottish & Southern Energy and Shell UK agreed in November 2011 to build the first commercial-scale CCS demonstration project at Peterhead in the northeast of Scotland, at a cost of £1 billion. The project aimed to design and develop a full chain, post-combustion CCS facility which would capture 85% to 90% of the CO2 from one 385 MW combined cycle gas turbine unit at SSE's Peterhead Power Station. It was planned that the 1 million tonnes per year of CO2 would then be pumped 100 km to Shell's Goldeneye gas field 2.5 km beneath the North Sea which will have ceased production using, as far as possible, existing infrastructure. Some £1bn from the EU and UK government was expected for the project. Earlier Scottish Power cancelled plans for a similar project at Longannet coal-fired power station. Shell said it remained committed to CCS.

Capture Power Ltd had applied for planning permission for a 448 MWe coal-fired unit with oxyfuel combustion and CCS at the Drax power station in Yorkshire. This White Rose project was designed to capture 90% of carbon emission, about 2 million tonnes per year, which would be piped by National Grid to to a ‘saline rock formation’ below the North Sea. The EU in 2014 provided €300 million funding.

In Denmark a pilot project at the 420 MWe Elsam power plant is capturing CO2 from post-combustion flue gases under the auspices of CASTOR (CO2 from Capture to Storage). Flue gases are passed through an absorber, where a solvent captures about 90% of the CO2. The pregnant solution is then heated to 120°C to release pure CO2 at the rate of about one tonne per hour for geological sequestration. Cost is expected to be €20-30 per tonne.

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A 2000 US study put the cost of CO2 capture for IGCC plants at 1.7 c/kWh, with an energy penalty 14.6% and a cost of avoided CO2 of $26/t ($96/t C). By 2010 this was expected to improve to 1.0 c/kWh, 9% energy penalty and avoided CO2 cost of $18/t ($66/t C), but these numbers now seem unduly optimistic.

Figures from IPCC Mitigation working group in 2005 for IGCC put capture and sequestration cost at 1.0-3.2 c/kWh, thus increasing electricity cost for IGCC by 21-78% to 5.5 to 9.1 c/kWh. The energy penalty in that was 14-25% and the mitigation cost $14-53/t CO2 ($51-200/tC) avoided. These figures included up to $5 per tonne CO2 for transport and up to $8.30 /t CO2 for geological sequestration.

In 2009 the OECD’s International Energy Agency (IEA) estimated for CCS $40-90/t CO2 but foresees $35-60/t by 2030, and McKinsey & Company estimated €60-90/t reducing to €30-45/t after 2030.

ExxonMobil is proposing that, where amine scrubbing is employed, the whole power plant exhaust is directed to a carbonate fuel cell which will generate over 20% more power overall, instead of costing 10% of the power due to diversion of steam. The CO2 still needs to be disposed of.

A 2017 study by Energy Innovation in the USA comparing ultrasupercritical coal with and without CCS (90% capture) showed that the LCOE figures were $151.34/MWh and $92.46/MWh, respectively – nearly two-thirds more. This was attributed largely to the extra energy required to extract, pump, and compress the CO2, and hence not amenable to great improvement.

FutureGen demonstration projects, USA

About 2005 the DOE announced the $1.3 billion FutureGen project to design, build and operate a nearly emission-free coal-based electricity and hydrogen production plant. Some $250 million of the funding was to be provided by industry, from about eight companies. The FutureGen initiative would have comprised a coal gasification (IGCC) plant with additional water-shift reactor, to produce hydrogen and carbon dioxide. It would also involve development of the ITM oxygen separation technology. About 700,000 tonnes of CO2 (some 60% of throughput) per year would then be separated by membrane technology and sequestered geologically. The hydrogen would have been be burned in a 275 MWe generating plant and in fuel cells. Later FutureGen figures referred to 90% CO2 capture and 330 MWe gross, 240 MWe net generation.

Construction of this original FutureGen was due to start in 2009, for operation in 2012, with target of 90% carbon capture. The project was designed to validate the technical feasibility and economic viability of near-zero emission coal-based generation. In particular it aimed to produce electricity with only a 10% cost premium and to show that hydrogen can be produced at $3.80 per GJ, equivalent to petrol at 12.7 cents per litre. In December 2007 Mattoon Illinois was chosen as the site of the demonstration plant. However, in January 2008 the DOE announced that it would withdraw its funding for the project, expressing concerns over escalating costs – its 74% share having doubled to $1.3 billion. The Mattoon site in Coles County was subsequently sold.

Under the new Administration in 2010 however, the project was reconsidered, and design work, geological investigations and a revised cost estimate proceeded. In August 2010 DOE said that it would abandon the original FutureGen idea and would now retrofit unit 4 of Ameren's existing oil-fired plant in Meredosia, Illinois, with oxy-combustion rather than IGCC, calling this FutureGen 2.0 – "a clean-coal repowering program and carbon dioxide storage network." It would burn pulverised coal and capture over 90% of the CO2 produced (1.3 Mt/yr over 30 years), to produce 166 MWe net. A pipeline would link it to a regional CO2 storage hub, and a site will be sought for this to enable sequestration in the Mt Simon Formation. Ameren would use B&W technology for oxy-combustion repowering of the plant, and FutureGen Alliance will focus on the pipeline and storage, with a view to also drawing on other CO2 sources within 160km, so that some 500 million tonnes capacity was sought.

The DOE said that it would be prepared to contribute $1.1 billion of the $1.65 billion cost to it as a public-private partnership involving the FutureGen Industrial Alliance (FGA), Ameren Energy Resources, Babcock & Wilcox, and Air Liquide Process & Construction, Inc. Late in 2010 members of the FGA included domestic coal companies Peabody, BHP Billiton, Rio Tinto and Consol Energy, plus E.On. No domestic utilities remained, though Exelon had indicated an intention to join. In December 2012, the Illinois Commerce Commission mandated that Commonwealth Edison (ComEd) and Ameren Illinois had to purchase the electricity from the project for 20 years, but the utilities challenged this on the grounds of cost.

After identifying a suitable sequestration site in Morgan County, the design phase of the project was announced in February 2013. Construction was due be completed in 2015, with the project being on line mid-2016, but this was delayed as most members of the FGA dropped out, leaving only Peabody, Glencore and Anglo American. In February 2015 DOE cancelled further funding for the project, after having spent $202 million on it.

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In Texas, the Port Arthur demonstration project aims to capture 1 Mt/yr of CO2 from two steam methane reformers at Valero Energy Corporation’s refinery, selling it for use in enhanced oil recovery. Another scheme separating CO2 and using it for enhanced oil recovery is at In Salah, Algeria.

Depleted oil and gas fields

Total in France has been testing the first complete industrial-scale CCS chain in Europe. CO2 is captured from a 30 MW boiler modified for oxycombustion, piped 27 km, and injected into a depleted gas field 4500 metres deep. Over two years 120,000 tonnes of CO2 is expected to be stored (50,000 t so far to early 2013), and intensive monitoring is being undertaken over three years.

In Australia the CO2CRC Otway project injected approximately 65,000 t CO2 into a depleted gas reservoir in Victoria between April 2008 and August 2009. This made it the largest injection project using a depleted oil or gas field in the world.

Coal seams

Injecting carbon dioxide into deep, unmineable coal seams where it is adsorbed to displace methane is another potential use or disposal strategy. The displacement effect means that coal seam CO2 injection could be most effective as part of the commercial production of coal seam methane (also known as coal bed methane, effectively: natural gas), an increasingly important and relatively new energy source.

Storage in coal seams is different since the CO2 is adsorbed in the coal matrix instead of being held within the pores of the rocks as in saline aquifers and oil-gas systems. The properties of the coal strongly influence whether CO2 will adsorb into it. Currently the economics of enhanced coal bed methane extraction with CO2 disposal are often not as favourable as with enhanced oil recovery, but the potential is large as coal seam gas is increasingly tapped.

Saline aquifers

These are underground formations of deep porous sedimentary rock such as sandstone, that are saturated with salty water which is unfit for human consumption or agricultural use, and covered by a layer of impermeable cap rock (such as shale or clay), which acts as a seal. Once injected into the formation, the CO2 dissolves into the saline water in the reservoir rock. CO2 storage in deep saline formations usually takes place at depths below 800 metres. At this depth, the CO2 will be at high enough pressures to remain in a liquid-like state.

The world's first industrial-scale CO2 storage was at Norway's Sleipner gas field in the North Sea, where about one million tonnes per year of compressed liquid CO2 separated from methane is injected into a deep reservoir (saline aquifer) about a kilometre below the sea bed and remains safely in place. The $80 million incremental cost of the sequestration project was paid back in 18 months on the basis of carbon tax savings at $50/tonne. (The natural gas contains 9% CO2 which must be reduced before sale or export.) The Utsira sandstone formation there, about one kilometre below the sea bed, is said to be capable of storing 600 billion tonnes of CO2. To 2017, over 17 million tonnes of CO2 had been stored over 20 years. In 2007 the Snohvit project, with 8% reservoir CO2 content, joined Sleipner in CCS there.

West Australia's Gorgon natural gas project will tap natural gas with 14% CO2. Capture and geosequestration of this is expected to reduce the project's total emissions from 6.7 to 4.0 million tonnes of CO2 per year. The project will have capacity for up to 3.4 million tonnes per year of pressurised supercritical CO2 to be injected into the Dupuy formation – a saline aquifer 2500 metres deep below Barrow Island. This is at least 80%, and ultimately 95%, of the reservoir CO2 extracted. This will be the world's largest commercial-scale CO2 injection facility and the Gorgon joint venture is investing approximately $2 billion in the design and construction of it. The Australian Government has committed $60 million to the Gorgon Carbon Dioxide Injection Project as part of the Low Emissions Technology Demonstration Fund.

Some CO2 injection to saline aquifers involves acid gas, disposing of hydrogen sulphide and CO2 separated for a natural gas stream. Chevron’s Acheson Field in Canada was one of the first to use this acid gas injection.

Saline formations have the largest storage potential globally and a number of CO2 storage demonstration projects are proving their effectiveness to maximise storage capacity and containment.

R&D general

While the scale of envisaged need for CO2 disposal far exceeds today's uses, they do demonstrate the possibility. Safety and permanence of disposition are key considerations in sequestration.

IEA member governments spent less than $400 million per year on CCS up to 2008, but the total then jumped to over $1 billion from 2009 to 2013, before falling sharply in 2014. In 2012 this was about 6.6% of their total energy research, development and demonstration (RD&D) expenditure. The share of CCS in fossil fuel RD&D expenditure increased significantly, from around 20% in 2008 and 2009 to over 50% in 2010-13.

Research on geosequestration is ongoing in several parts of the world. The main potential appears to be deep saline aquifers and depleted oil and gas fields. In both, the CO2 is expected to remain as a supercritical gas for thousands of years, with some dissolving.

In 2016 it was reported that Iceland had trialled pumping CO2 and water into hot underground rocks and turning it into limestone over about two years.

Large-scale storage of CO2 from power generation will require an extensive pipeline network in densely populated areas. This has safety implications.

Given that rock strata have held CO2 and methane for millions of years there seems no reason that carefully-chosen chosen ones cannot hold sequestered CO2. However, the eruption of a million tonnes of CO2 from Lake Nyos in Cameroon in 1986 asphyxiated 1700 people, so the consequences of major release of heavier-than-air gas are potentially serious.

Producing oxygen for oxyfuel and IGCC

Today most oxygen is recovered cryogenically from liquid air, which is a relatively expensive process.

The main prospective means of economically producing large amounts of oxygen is the ion transport membrane (ITM) process. It is being developed for use in feeding integrated gasification combined cycle (IGCC), oxyfuel combustion, and other advanced power generation systems including underground coal gasification. In the USA, EPRI is involved on behalf of the electric utilities in helping to scale-up ITM technology for clean energy.

ITM technology uses a ceramic material which, under pressure and temperature, ionizes and separates oxygen molecules from air. No external source of electrical power is required. Relative to traditional cryogenic air separation units, ITM technology could decrease internal power demand by as much as 30% and capital costs by approximately 30% in the oxygen supply systems at oxyfuel and IGCC power plants.

The oxygen requirements for the power generation industry could grow substantially in supporting advanced coal-based power generation and integrated carbon capture technology. EPRI estimates the current US power generation industry share of the oxygen market is about 4%, but it could become the dominating market driver, accounting for more than 60% of the future market, or approximately two million tones per day of oxygen by 2040.

Carbon capture and utilisation/use (CCU)

Obviously enhanced oil recovery outlined above amounts to utilisation as well as storage, hence CCS, but beyond that the CO2 may be used with hydrogen to make methanol, which is a plausible substitute for petrol/gasoline, and also dimethyl ether from that, a good diesel substitute. There are other possibilities for embedding the carbon in materials such as polycarbonates, which are long-lasting. However, the CO2 quantities involved are trivial compared with the accepted need to reduce carbon emissions. See further in information paper on Transport and the Hydrogen Economy.

Economics

The World Coal Institute noted that in 2003 the high cost of carbon capture and storage (estimates of $150-220 per tonne of carbon, $40-60/t CO2 – 3.5 to 5.5 c/kWh relative to coal burned at 35% thermal efficiency) made the option uneconomic. But a lot of work is being done to improve the economic viability of it, and the US Department of Energy (DOE) was funding R&D with a view to reducing the cost of carbon sequestered to $10/tC (equivalent to 0.25 c/kWh) or less by 2008, and by 2012 to reduce the cost of carbon capture and sequestration to a 10% increment on electricity generation costs. These targets now seem very unrealistic.

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In mid-2010 the IEA published a report saying that CCS was challenging, and quoting $26 billion committed in the previous two years to CCS projects.

In mid-2016 the Global CCS Institute said that there were 15 large-scale CCS projects in operation, with a further seven under construction. The total CO2 capture capacity of these 22 projects is around 40 Mt/yr. There are another six large-scale CCS projects at the most advanced ('define') stage of development planning, with a total CO2 capture capacity of around 6 Mt/yr. A further 12 large-scale CCS projects are in earlier stages ('identify' and 'evaluate') of development planning and have a total CO2 capture capacity of around 25 Mt/yr.

Post-combustion capture

Capture of carbon dioxide from flue gas streams following combustion in air is much more difficult and expensive than from natural gas streams, as the carbon dioxide concentration is only about 14% at best, with nitrogen most of the rest, and the flue gas is hot. The main process treats carbon dioxide like any other pollutant, and as flue gases are passed through an amine solution the CO2 is absorbed. It can later be released by heating the solution. This amine scrubbing process is also used for taking CO2 out of natural gas. There is a significant energy cost involved. For new power plants this is quoted as 20-25% of plant output, due both to reduced plant efficiency and the energy requirements of the actual process.

No commercial-scale power plants are operating with this process yet. At the new 1300 MWe Mountaineer power plant in West Virginia, less than 2% of the plant's off-gas is being treated for CO2 recovery, using chilled amine technology. This has been successful. Subject to federal grants, there are plans to capture and sequester 20% of the plant's CO2, some 1.8 million tonnes CO2 per year.

Oxyfuel combustion

Where coal is burned in oxygen rather than air, it means that the flue gas is mostly CO2 and hence it can more readily be captured by amine scrubbing – at about half the cost of capture from conventional plants. A number of oxyfuel systems are operational in the USA and elsewhere, and the FutureGen 2 project involves oxy-combustion. Such a plant has an air separation unit, a boiler island, and a compression and purification unit for final flue gas.

The Integrated Gasification Combined Cycle (IGCC) plant is a means of using coal and steam to produce hydrogen and carbon monoxide (CO) from the coal and these are then burned in a gas turbine with secondary steam turbine (ie combined cycle) to produce electricity. If the IGCC gasifier is fed with oxygen rather than air, the flue gas contains highly-concentrated CO2 which can readily be captured post-combustion as above.

Pre-combustion capture

Further development of the IGCC process will add a shift reactor to oxidise the CO with water so that the gas stream is basically just hydrogen and carbon dioxide, with some nitrogen. The CO2 with some H2S & Hg impurities are separated before combustion (with about 85% CO2 recovery) and the hydrogen alone becomes the fuel for electricity generation (or other uses) while the concentrated pressurised carbon dioxide is readily disposed of. (The H2S is oxidised to water and sulfur, which is saleable.) No commercial-scale power plants are operating with this process yet but see demonstration project sections below.

Currently IGCC plants typically have a 45% thermal efficiency.

Capture of carbon dioxide from coal gasification is already achieved at low marginal cost in some plants. One (albeit where the high capital cost has been largely written off) is the Great Plains Synfuels Plant in North Dakota, where 6 million tonnes of lignite is gasified each year to produce clean synthetic natural gas.

Oxy-fuel technology has potential for retrofit to existing pulverised coal plants, which are the backbone of electricity generation in many countries.

In China, the major utility China Datang Corp is teaming with Alstom to build two demonstration CCS projects. A 350 MWe coal-fired plant at Daqing, Heilongjiang province, will be equipped with Alstom's oxy-firing technology, and a 1000 MWe coal-fired plant at Dongying, Shandong province, will use an Alstom's post-combustion capture technology, either chilled ammonia or advanced amines. The two projects are expected to be operational in 2015 and each capture over one million tonnes of CO2 per year, which would be about 40% of output from Daqing and 15% from Dongying, though Alstom says that the actual levels of capture and storage have not yet been defined and will be in the scope of the first feasibility studies of the respective projects. Adjacent oilfields will be used for sequestration, enabling enhanced oil recovery.

Storage & sequestration of carbon dioxide

There are three main categories of geological storage for CO2: oil and gas replacement – notably enhanced oil recovery (EOR); coal seam storage; and deep saline aquifers. The first can have direct economic benefit offsetting the cost. To 2014, 55 million tonnes of CO2 had been sequestered with monitoring. At the end
 of 2016, 17 large-scale operational projects had a total potential capture rate of 30 Mt CO2 per year,
 but only one-quarter of the captured CO2 was being stored with appropriate monitoring and verification, according to the IEA's Energy Technology Perspectives. Most of this CO2 is from natural gas processing.

The UK-based CCS Forum reported in February 2016 that in order to meet the Paris Agreement it is expected that 120-160 Gt of CO2 needs to be stored from now until 2050. The theoretical storage capacity is estimated at approximately 11,000 Gt of CO2 with 1,000 Gt provided by oil and gas reservoirs and 9,000-10,000 Gt provided by deep saline aquifers. In addition, there is significant potential capacity in unmineable coal seams. At the 120-160 Gt by 2050 level, there is enough storage capacity for global CCS needs to be met well beyond the next century.

Enhanced oil recovery

Captured carbon dioxide gas can be put to good use, even on a commercial basis, for enhanced oil recovery (EOR), and a majority of CCS projects are oriented thus. This is well demonstrated in West Texas, and today over 5800 km of pipelines connect oilfields to a number of carbon dioxide sources in the USA. The CO2 acts to reduce the viscosity of the oil, enhancing its flow to recovery wells. It is then separated and re-injected.

At the Great Plains Synfuels Plant, North Dakota, some 13,000 tonnes per day of carbon dioxide gas is captured and 5000 t of this is piped 320 km into Canada for enhanced oil recovery. This Weyburn oilfield sequesters about 85 cubic metres of carbon dioxide per barrel of oil produced, a total of 19 million tonnes over the project's 20-year life. The first phase of its operation has been judged a success.

Chevron’s Rangely project in the Rocky Mountain area injects 3 million tonnes of CO2 per year supplied by pipeline for EOR in sandstone formations 1800 m deep.

Overall in the USA, over 6200 km of pipelines transport up to 72 million tonnes of CO2 per year that the oil industry uses in enhanced oil recovery, 55 Mt from natural sources, 17 Mt anthropogenic. This produces 281,000 barrels of domestic oil per day, or 6% of US crude oil production. The EOR industry has captured, transported, and injected large volumes of CO2 for oil recovery over four decades with no major accidents, serious injuries or fatalities. Present EOR technology has the potential to recover at least an additional 26 billion barrels of US oil, and improved technology could double this, while sequestering over 20 billion tonnes of CO2. The USA in 2011 set up a National Enhanced Oil Recovery Initiative (NEORI) to help realize CO2-EOR’s full potential as a national energy security, economic and environmental strategy. Its central recommendation is for a production tax credit for CO2 capture and sequestration with EOR.

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22145089? ago

https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/energy-and-the-environment/clean-coal-technologies.aspx

Part 1 >

'Clean Coal' Technologies, Carbon Capture & Sequestration

(Updated November 2018)

Coal is used extensively as a fuel in most parts of the world.
Burning coal produces over 14 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide each year.
Attempting to use coal without adding to atmospheric carbon dioxide levels is a major technological challenge.
The greatest challenge is bringing the cost of this down sufficiently for 'clean coal' to compete with nuclear power on the basis of near-zero emissions for base-load power.
There is typically at least a 20% energy penalty involved in 'clean coal' processes.
World R&D on CCS exceeded $1 billion per year over 2009 to 2013, then fell sharply.
The term 'clean coal' is increasingly being used for supercritical coal-fired plants without CCS, on the basis that CO2 emissions are less than for older plants, but are still much greater than for nuclear or renewables.

Some 27% of primary energy needs are met by coal and 38% of electricity is generated from coal. About 70% of world steel production depends on coal feedstock. Coal is the world's most abundant and widely distributed fossil fuel source. However, each year burning coal produces over 14 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide (CO2), which is released to the atmosphere, most of this being from power generation.

Development of new 'clean coal' technologies is attempting to address this problem so that the world's enormous resources of coal can be utilised for future generations without contributing to global warming. Much of the challenge is in commercialising the technology so that coal use would remain economically competitive despite the cost of achieving low, and eventually 'near-zero', emissions. The technologies are both costly and energy-intensive.

As many coal-fired power stations approach retirement, their replacement gives much scope for 'cleaner' electricity. Alongside nuclear power and harnessing renewable energy sources, one hope for this is via 'clean coal' technologies, such as carbon capture and sequestration, also called carbon capture and storage (both abbreviated as CCS) or carbon capture, use and storage (CCUS). It involves the geological storage of CO2, typically 2-3 km deep, as a permanent solution. However in its Energy Technology Perspectives 2014 the International Energy Agency (IEA) notes: “CCS is advancing slowly, due to high costs and lack of political and financial commitment.” In its 2016 version of the same report, the IEA reported that there were 17 large-scale CCS projects operating globally.

Consequently the term 'clean coal' is increasingly being used for supercritical and ultra-supercritical coal-fired plants without CCS, running at 42-48% thermal efficiency. These are also known as high-efficiency low-emission (HELE) plants. The capital cost of ultra-supercritical (USC) HELE technology is 20-30% greater than a subcritical unit, but the higher efficiency reduces emissions and fuel costs to about 75% of subcritical plants. A supercritical steam generator operates at very high temperature (about 600°C) and pressures (above 22 MPa), where liquid and gas phases of water are no longer distinct. In Japan and South Korea about 70% of coal-fired power comes from supercritical and ultra-supercritical plants.

Managing wastes from coal

Burning coal, such as for power generation, gives rise to a variety of wastes which must be controlled or at least accounted for. So-called 'clean coal' technologies are a variety of evolving responses to late 20th century environmental concerns, including that of global warming due to carbon dioxide releases to the atmosphere. However, many of the elements have in fact been applied for many years, and they will be only briefly mentioned here:

Coal cleaning by 'washing' has been standard practice in developed countries for some time. It reduces emissions of ash and sulfur dioxide when the coal is burned.
Electrostatic precipitators and fabric filters can remove 99% of the fly ash from the flue gases – these technologies are in widespread use.
Flue gas desulfurisation reduces the output of sulfur dioxide to the atmosphere by up to 97%, the task depending on the level of sulfur in the coal and the extent of the reduction. It is widely used where needed in developed countries.
Low-NOx burners allow coal-fired plants to reduce nitrogen oxide emissions by up to 40%. Coupled with re-burning techniques NOx can be reduced 70% and selective catalytic reduction can clean up 90% of NOx emissions.
Increased efficiency of plant – up to 46% thermal efficiency now (and 50% expected in future) means that newer plants create less emissions per kWh than older ones. See Table 1.
Advanced technologies such as Integrated Gasification Combined Cycle (IGCC) and Pressurised Fluidised Bed Combustion (PFBC) enable higher thermal efficiencies still – up to 50% in the future.
Ultra-clean coal (UCC) from new processing technologies which reduce ash below 0.25% and sulfur to very low levels mean that pulverised coal might be used as fuel for very large marine engines, in place of heavy fuel oil. There are at least two UCC technologies under development. Wastes from UCC are likely to be a problem.
Gasification, including underground coal gasification (UCG) in situ, uses steam and oxygen to turn the coal into carbon monoxide and hydrogen.
Sequestration refers to disposal of liquid carbon dioxide, once captured, into deep geological strata.

Some of these impose operating costs and energy efficiency loss without concomitant benefit to the operator, though external costs will almost certainly be increasingly factored in through carbon taxes or similar which will change the economics of burning coal.

However, waste products can be used productively. In 1999 the EU used half of its coal fly ash and bottom ash in building materials (where fly ash can replace cement), and it used 87% of the gypsum from flue gas desulfurisation.

Carbon dioxide from burning coal is the main focus of attention today, since it is implicated in global warming, and the Kyoto Protocol requires that emissions decline, notwithstanding increasing energy demand.

CCS technologies are in the forefront of measures to enjoy 'clean coal'. CCS involves two distinct aspects: capture, and storage.

The energy penalty of CCS is generally put at 20-30% of electrical output, though since no full commercial systems are yet in operation, this is yet to be confirmed. US and European figures below suggest a small or even negligible proportion.

Table 1. Coal-fired power generation, thermal efficiency

country Technology Efficiency Projected efficiency with CCS

Australia Black ultra-supercritical WC 43% 33%

Black supercritical WC 41%

Black supercritical AC 39%

own ultra-supercritical WC 35% 27%

own supercritical WC 33%

own supercritical AC 31%

Belgium Black supercritical 45%

China Black supercritical 46%

Czech Republic own PCC 43% 38%

own ICGG 45% 43%

Germany Black PCC 46% 38%

own PCC 45% 37%

Japan, Korea Black PCC 41%

Russia Black ultra-supercritical PCC 47% 37%

Black supercritical PCC 42%

South Africa Black supercritical PCC 39%

USA Black PCC & IGCC 39% 39%

USA (EPRI) Black supercritical PCC 41%

OECD Projected Costs of Generating Electricity 2010, Tables 3.3.

PCC= pulverised coal combustion, AC= air-cooled, WC= water-cooled.

Capture & separation of CO2

A number of means exist to capture carbon dioxide from gas streams, but they have not yet been optimised for the scale required in coal-burning power plants. The focus in the past has often been on obtaining pure CO2 for industrial purposes rather than reducing CO2 levels in power plant emissions.

Where there is carbon dioxide mixed with methane from natural gas wells, its separation is well proven. Several processes are used, including hot potassium carbonate which is energy-intensive and requires a large plant, a monoethanolamine process which yields high-purity carbon dioxide, amine scrubbing, and membrane processes.

Development of CCS for coal combustion has lost momentum in the last few years, partly due to uncertainty regarding carbon emission prices. The Global CCS Institute established in 2009 and based in Australia aims “to accelerate the development, demonstration and deployment of carbon capture and storage (CCS), a vital technology to tackle climate change and provide energy security.”

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22142708? ago

I was just thinking about this after Milwaukee rally. It is just one of many huge deals that gets no press

22142705? ago

My father was a chemical engineer.

His love of trump is hard to articulate. We never thought we would see this.

22146494? ago

My love of Trump is also hard to articulate.

22146147? ago

My dad was an oil and gas man, and I drilled 40 wells with him. He'd be ecstatic seeing what fracking and Trump's deregulations are doing for the industry.

22144055? ago

I love how Trumpstein says we need more H1Bs and more greencards for pajeets. I'm a retired Boomer happy that I got my fill. If the young are so desperate that half go Communist and half NatSoc, it's their fault because they are lazy

22144981? ago

He hasn’t said this. He’s trying to embargo H1B and force companies to train up folks.

22146664? ago

And Ivanka s training program has trained 12 million peeps. Just keepin it real mother fuckers.

22144177? ago

I'm a retired Boomer happy that I got my fill.

Essentially the problem with everything, since your generation still controls all levers of power.

22144690? ago

He's trolling you ya retard

22143912? ago

I used to be fully black-pilled by "peak oil" theory and the Hubbert curve. I guess it was all wrong. whoops.

22149425? ago

It's still real. Liquid production peaked worldwide in 2005.

22151711? ago

Liquid production hasn’t yet peaked, foo.

22144788? ago

Don't worry we all were, and I used to be a Financial Planner.

22144910? ago

You had to be incompetent, how could you be competent at financial planning when you were duped by lies

22145665? ago

Everyone is incompetent at something. Doesn't mean it spills over into all areas. This is a logical fallacy known as "false equivalency" and dates back to Greece when they developed the rules for logical thinking. You just exhibited you are incompetent at logical thinking. Does this mean you are incompetent at using the Internet, changing your car oil, or washing your hands? Of course not, but you accused another of this same type of fallacy. This is illogical. Please update your brainware.

22145801? ago

Would you trust a financial planner who is using intentionally false misleading information to make decisions?

22150176? ago

They all are. This is really a dumb question and if you’re the same commenter who made the other dumb comment then you should recognize that all humans have gaps in their knowledge. Are you trying to say you’re the consummate financial planner because you know the truth behind all things? Just wow. Like other guy said, update your brainware.

22150242? ago

I am not a financial planner, as I would never promote myself to being in the know in order to play with other peoples money. I am honest

22150362? ago

Whatever it is you do, I’m sure people rely on you and I’m sure you do it with gaps in your knowledge. Just give it up man. You’re one of the dumb ones. Which means you really don’t even get what honest means, so no, you’re not.

22150372? ago

all of your assumptions are so wrong i feel sorry for you

22150491? ago

Again, showing stupidity by granting me enough power to make you feel sorry. Sucks to be you lol. Go play on another forum.

22150615? ago

you thought i meant that?

22150747? ago

Dude I thought you might be trolling but you’re legitimately dumb as rocks. I must be picking on you at this point so I will depart this conversation.

22145198? ago

This was a long time ago Fren.

22143517? ago

so the 1% will get rich off of selling oil to china, vs selling IP...yay, i guess.

22143608? ago

Right because “U.S. manufacturing workers would receive the largest percentage gains in wages” is totally the 1% ... fuck off

22146154? ago

What to tell of the shill!

22145699? ago

oh boy, 10% of $12/hr, its a fucking miracle!

22147810? ago

Miracle or not it's a raise and not a pink slip!

22144124? ago

Their minimal increases in wages are nothing compared to the significant profit for the shareholders and owners. Posture elsewhere.

22143804? ago

Perhaps his point was that the oil and gas being sold from public lands won't do as much to benefit the people as one might think.

For example, Russia took over their oil and gas from private hands and now is using the proceeds to modernize their military and benefit their citizens vs private profits

22146681? ago

Trickle down. Someone has to pay a wage to someone else. If your concerened with the slavery concept at least be self employed.

22165566? ago

Different than Trickle down / Horse and Oats Theory

Trickle down is when the wealthy run around spending and injecting money through said expenditure

In Russia its the state managing the wealth in increasingly transparent ways and spending money on things everyone needs - IE what a government should be doing ( making its own money outside of taxing to sustain itself so the people don’t get strapped w servitude )

Russia is making leaps and strides.

* Banned NGOs

* Banned Soros

* Christianity is exploding ( prophesy of Fatima now true )

* Families are being bolstered

22142770? ago

I want to take trump in my mouth and anus. Just like your dad

22142694? ago

How many of the hydrocarbons on Saturn's moon Titan come from organisms? My guess is zero. Perhaps oil sources aren't produced exclusively by ancient organisms.

22147143? ago

oil is created naturally through by the intense pressures of the planet's interior . given enough time the oil fields will replenish themselves after being pumped dry.

22145530? ago

There was a pile of dinoaurs 3.5 miles thick.

22143819? ago

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

22143239? ago

There's actually thought to be a lot of the same oil molecules out in molecular clouds in space.

22148763? ago

Turns out that the interstellar medium is a very very extremely diffuse grease.

22142847? ago

Why do u guess zero?

22143603? ago

Not my guess, but it is also present on comets, asteroids, etc. I think those are pretty harsh environments. If there is life hard enough to withstand that, I think life on earth would have a hard time competing.

22151724? ago

Petroleum is so biologically that we can determine which field the oil cane from just by its biological components. Very little oil is abiotic. Too little to mention.

22151714? ago

Fake news, foo.

22147123? ago

link is broken. please post another.

22147287? ago

Not broken on Firefox, try another browser.

22146256? ago

Makes so much sense.

22144842? ago

Triple Sevens confirm big time. <

I am posting this.

22142515? ago

How much of this oil comes from fracking?

22142650? ago

How many men are your possible fathers?

22143892? ago

Good goin’ OP. Way to have intelligent, informed discussion.

22142440? ago

This can only be embraced by the populous if the Deep State allows the Mainstream Media to promote it. Not gonna happen any time soon.

22142878? ago

Bingo