The hypocrisy is palpable. Followers of Q show up and are discouraged by old Voaters casually using words like 'Nigger' and 'Faggot'. Old Voaters yell 'Free Speech Bitches'!
New Q-ers downvoat posts they don't like and Old Voaters yell 'You can't do that'!
There is a difference in this. Saying 'nigger' or 'faggot' or whatever to someone isn't disruptive, and helps weed out the thin skinned. I personally don't like using those words, but I will defend everyone's right to use them here, or whatever else they want to or will say. That's free speech. Downvoating based on personal beliefs also isn't disruptive, and some users will even try and start a conversation as to why, so they can get a different viewpoint.
However, downvoating things as a group, which what the OP in the link is implying, CAN be disruptive, and isn't "Free Speech". Granted, a lot of people here might have the same mindset, and might all downvoat things making fun of Q, but as soon as that turns into an official group activity shit will hit the fan very quickly. I've seen it happen multiple times here, and it all starts out with this notion that downvoating is free speech.
Let people make fun of Q. Let people not believe. It's their right to do just that is it is your right to believe in Q. If you feel the notion to disagree, say it in a comment before downvoating. You might actually get a viewpoint you never realized before, or give them a viewpoint they never realized before. Also, downvoating is a privilege given to an individual user for participation in Voat as a whole. As with all privileges, it can be taken away if used incorrectly. It has happened before, and it will happen again.
As an oldish goat, I want you guys to fit into Voat and help it become better for everyone. But acting like self entitled cancer idiots will get you exactly nowhere here, and will probably invoke the wrath of Putt. Nobody wants that.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you
WWG1WGA
Thank you for your reply. I feel that finally someone is trying to have a conversation. Yes, I am a newcomer to Voat and I was an active member of Reddit. Wow is this place a different beast! It is strange to me that Voat suddenly has thousands of new customers, new eyes to perhaps venture out of the confines of Q sub and into other places that spark their interest, but it just feels like we aren't welcome. I understand the 'this is my turf and you nobodies are just visitors' mentality but the vast majority of q followers are not going to venture out of this sub. The rest of Voat is safe from us. So why are Voaters coming here and deliberately being assholes? It just makes people like me view the rest of Voat as some sort of prejudice name-calling wasteland. I would think that old Vaoters would want new blood trying out new subs and adding their new opinions to what could become an echo chamber if the same people are all that comment.
I just think it is difficult for a lot of us to understand the reception we newcomers have been given.
It's basically the immune system. Give it a few weeks, and they will get bored and slow down and/or stop. Don't take it personally, it's just the most effective way to weed out bad actors, megalomaniac mods, and shills, albeit also making us look like shit to the outside world. Once the dust settles, and the people who want to stay do so, Voat becomes very welcoming to them and their ideas. I migrated over during the Ellen Pao stupidity, and I've weathered out the FPH, T_D, 4chan, 8chan, and now this, and all I can say is that it gets better. People will try to get under your skin, and they will push you and prod you and they will try to get a reaction out of you, but just as long as you show that you are not going to try and destroy Voat and it's very fucked up culture, people will accept you and your views.
![Holy Shit! check out all these tears - all of [Legacy] voat is freaking out and plotting to suppress our free speech](/thumbnails/70/23/70233ac1-5c5c-4865-9f5a-2650f8c493aa.jpg)
14061305? ago
PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC PANIC
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL TO DO ANYMORE.
THEIR INVISIBLE POLITICAL PROTECTION TO THINK AND DO EVIL HAS BEEN EXTERMINATED.
FLAILING LIKE FISH OUT OF WATER
14061223? ago
Yeah it's just terrible.
14060685? ago
You mean the downvoters don't like downvotes? How odd.
14060622? ago
The hypocrisy is palpable. Followers of Q show up and are discouraged by old Voaters casually using words like 'Nigger' and 'Faggot'. Old Voaters yell 'Free Speech Bitches'!
New Q-ers downvoat posts they don't like and Old Voaters yell 'You can't do that'!
Free Speech works both ways!
14061227? ago
There is a difference in this. Saying 'nigger' or 'faggot' or whatever to someone isn't disruptive, and helps weed out the thin skinned. I personally don't like using those words, but I will defend everyone's right to use them here, or whatever else they want to or will say. That's free speech. Downvoating based on personal beliefs also isn't disruptive, and some users will even try and start a conversation as to why, so they can get a different viewpoint.
However, downvoating things as a group, which what the OP in the link is implying, CAN be disruptive, and isn't "Free Speech". Granted, a lot of people here might have the same mindset, and might all downvoat things making fun of Q, but as soon as that turns into an official group activity shit will hit the fan very quickly. I've seen it happen multiple times here, and it all starts out with this notion that downvoating is free speech.
Let people make fun of Q. Let people not believe. It's their right to do just that is it is your right to believe in Q. If you feel the notion to disagree, say it in a comment before downvoating. You might actually get a viewpoint you never realized before, or give them a viewpoint they never realized before. Also, downvoating is a privilege given to an individual user for participation in Voat as a whole. As with all privileges, it can be taken away if used incorrectly. It has happened before, and it will happen again.
As an oldish goat, I want you guys to fit into Voat and help it become better for everyone. But acting like self entitled cancer idiots will get you exactly nowhere here, and will probably invoke the wrath of Putt. Nobody wants that.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you
WWG1WGA
14065211? ago
Thank you for your reply. I feel that finally someone is trying to have a conversation. Yes, I am a newcomer to Voat and I was an active member of Reddit. Wow is this place a different beast! It is strange to me that Voat suddenly has thousands of new customers, new eyes to perhaps venture out of the confines of Q sub and into other places that spark their interest, but it just feels like we aren't welcome. I understand the 'this is my turf and you nobodies are just visitors' mentality but the vast majority of q followers are not going to venture out of this sub. The rest of Voat is safe from us. So why are Voaters coming here and deliberately being assholes? It just makes people like me view the rest of Voat as some sort of prejudice name-calling wasteland. I would think that old Vaoters would want new blood trying out new subs and adding their new opinions to what could become an echo chamber if the same people are all that comment.
I just think it is difficult for a lot of us to understand the reception we newcomers have been given.
14067660? ago
It's basically the immune system. Give it a few weeks, and they will get bored and slow down and/or stop. Don't take it personally, it's just the most effective way to weed out bad actors, megalomaniac mods, and shills, albeit also making us look like shit to the outside world. Once the dust settles, and the people who want to stay do so, Voat becomes very welcoming to them and their ideas. I migrated over during the Ellen Pao stupidity, and I've weathered out the FPH, T_D, 4chan, 8chan, and now this, and all I can say is that it gets better. People will try to get under your skin, and they will push you and prod you and they will try to get a reaction out of you, but just as long as you show that you are not going to try and destroy Voat and it's very fucked up culture, people will accept you and your views.
14060306? ago
Post this in the other Q subs! Needs visibility.
14060379? ago
there are no other Q subs that arent comped. besides all you want to do is DV like a free speech hating sjw...and all im tryna do is enjoy some salt.
14060228? ago
As if you fags aren't plotting to "clean up" "Q's house". Fucking facebook hypocrites.