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shewhomustbeobeyed ago

Hi there, webby.

Do you have some links that I can look at? There are a few finders cult threads that some added info might help.

FYI, crensch is no longer an owner of v/pizzagate. If you want to post to PG again you should petition the new owner to unban you.

He probably won't since you accused him of some pretty heinous stuff.

You could make a new alt and post your info without all the drama. Naw, who am I kidding.

How's that lawsuit coming, btw?

thewebofslime ago

I've got more since I started. And I have found a couple of the kids. I don't know that I am prepared to share that information, yet, but I did contact one of them just to test the waters and see if they would be willing to answer any questions.

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

Well, if you do decide to post any of it here on Voat, please ping me so I can add to archives.

Good luck on getting an interview.

thewebofslime ago

The Finders Cult is a collective of operatives, executives, writers, investors and traffickers who seemed to have ran a ring of child abuse and international banking agreements of sorts.

Recently 324 pages of documents stemming from a 5 day investigation between several states involving 'Douglas J Ammerman' and 'Michael Houlihan' being arrested at odd hours at a Tallahassee park with 6 unrelated children with no understanding of modern amenities, hot water, tv or phones. The children were reportedly bug bitten, wearing old and ragged clothes and 2/6 reported to have been 'obviously abused.'

While researching, I immediately wondered 'where are the parents?' and 1987 being approx 31/32' ago, it was not explicitly hard to both find the names of these 6 childrens parents, but where they are now.

Excerpt from:

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1987-02-15-0110090250-story.html

"Our main concern is to make clear to the authorities that we are very good parents and that the home environment is not just adequate but superbly happy, healthy, fun and educational," said Kristin Knauth, 26, a free-lance writer and editor and mother of Ben, 4, one of the children in custody.

Carolyn Said, 28, a writer and editor and mother of another of the children, B.B., 2, said she was confident of a happy outcome because, "This is America, and in America people have the right to pursue life and liberty. And we have done our best to provide for the children, and in America a certain amount of diversity is tolerated."

The other women are Pat Livingstone, 43, an office worker, whose son is Max, 6; Judy Evans, 31, a writer and editor, whose daughter, Honey Bee, is 3; and Paula Arico, 33, a bookkeeper, whose children are Mary, 7, and John Paul, 2.

The immediate red flag was the first and only name I've researched thus far, Kristin Nauth. Here's an archaic link I've not seen catalogued or mentioned here with a massive abundance of info I havent seen elsewhere and mostly could corroborate as factual.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ZetaAstro/conversations/topics/2219?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kZWVwcG9saXRpY3Nmb3J1bS5jb20vZm9ydW1zL3Nob3d0aHJlYWQucGhwPzE5NjQtVGhlLUZpbmRlcnMvcGFnZTMmc3R5bGVpZD0xNw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAn2_kuNfAMkJzphVPR-GvkRqr3l4BzLWHCNKmBLy7ujHIju_bWzdimIgcKzCgj_escjxzaZBX__sEERoAzT0TxB3lYhOLClOLugNnxvx15mKsOhoM7hvMLj_Yve5FG-CVkUqNp-DBu3Ey21_EwZdao5Im-TA_4f7w97MS1V3Ebm

Kristin Nauth now works for the 'Foresight Alliance' which seems to be a sorts of vague analytics company with HUGE ties to corporate giants.

linkedin.com/company/foresight-alliance

The CEO/founder Christopher Kent's twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/cekent

"Futurist. Finder. Pointer....."

Back to Nauth:

Kristin K. Nauth, a Washington, D.C.-based specialist in intelligence/counterintelligence reporting and future studies, has contributed articles to numerous business, technology and policy publications.

http://www.foresightalliance.com/about/kristin-nauth/

The company has recieved direct partnership with Rockefeller, and dozens of fortune 100 companies.

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shewhomustbeobeyed ago

I hate that I type so slowly, You provided me with what I wanted before I could get it out.

Thank you.

thewebofslime ago

The impetus to re-opening the investigation in 1993 by the DoJ was the fact that "48 Hours" was looking to air an episode on the case. Like Roy Cohn, this has "preliminary" and limited investigation all over it... in that this seems more of an attempt to cover up. If you haven't read the Roy Cohn file, now is the time, because it proves blackmail and bribery were tolerated within the DoJ in the 60's and 70s.

The file includes stats showing that after 1990, resources and arrests for child pornography investigations were shrinking.

Includes McMartin Preschool letter from Ted Gunderson. Mueller, specifically, declined to pursue any investigation based on Gunderson's information. I try to avoid using Ted Gunderson any time I am listing evidence specifically because he seems to have been compromised, at some point, going so far as to marry a well connected satanist.

https://i.imgur.com/hMltlXB.png

The file indicates that the FBI had previous contact with the Finders as early as 1971. This is proof their Vault release is incomplete.

https://i.imgur.com/9obrKxd.png

The case was original covered up by an AUSA who is now a FISA judge. His wife, Carol Rhees, participates in a non-profit geared at underprivileged children (Hope for Children). John Bates. So, we have someone who closed an investigation some time after 1971, someone who closed it again in 1987, then someone who closed it again in 1993, when the DoJ reopened it and tried to find the disappeared evidence.

https://i.imgur.com/UKU8MtD.png

https://i.imgur.com/nbEBsU8.png

Includes US Customs Service knowledge of the case, as well as Jacksonville and a variety of other agencies. A lot of people knew about this. Even Congressman. Congressman Rose is mentioned. The DIA is mentioned in handwriting. A lot of people know nothing about the "Defense Intelligence Agency."

Special Activities Division is also mentioned and the chief at the time, who was aware of the Finders, has his name redacted.

If you don't know much about Special Activities, then look at this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Activities_Center

The list therein shows that the Finders were operating in a lot of the same places.

China is mentioned in that the leader, Marion Pettie, was going to flee there in a US military aircraft.

https://i.imgur.com/ggnYHP0.png

One of the children was able to count to ten in Chinese.

Everything Pizzagate is included in this investigation... children being bred off the grid for nefarious purposes:

https://i.imgur.com/DVxidoL.png

In fact, the person who funded the Finders lived in Chevy Chase, near Comet Ping Pong.

Also, like in Pizzagate, there is a farm where children are kept in cages.

https://i.imgur.com/CMoPk3c.png

MPD classified all relevant documents to "secret level." This is a huge indicator of guilt. Why would anyone want to classify organized child sex cults where children were filmed doing sacrifices? MPD and WMFO actively cover up case. Customs fails to review evidence after multiple attempts to acquire it.

Mentions "brainwashing techniques." The Finders were found to have books on mind control and brain washing among their items. Also, Trojan condoms were listed in the police report to have been found in the van where the children were living.

Pictures were found of the children participating in ritual sacrifice where the men were dressed in robes. This is reminiscent of some of the things the children described in another case... the Hampstead case.

https://i.imgur.com/ZTP4Urq.png

Ended investigation after the cult was interviewed. Basically, the FBI just took their word for it that nothing bad was going on. If that was the case... THEN WHY CLASSIFY THE EVIDENCE AS SECRET? The group admits to calling themselves, "The Finders."

https://i.imgur.com/6mvaFdY.png

This is the spin used in the cover up that mentions some interesting facts about these people:

https://pic8.co/sh/NZGX3c.png

There is confirmation that some Finders were CIA and had traveled to North Korea, Moscow, Vietnam. Admits that the CIA is funding the group.

Trade names include

Finders

Finders Group

Finders Keepers

Finders Transnational

Finders Transnational Ragged Mountain

Women Network Service

General Scientific Corporation

Isabelle Pettie

Future Enterprises

Ragged Mountain Research Center

The Information Bank

Advanced Cybernetic Technology Inc

Notice that the "Advanced Cybernetic Technology" works for Army Strategic Defense:

https://i.imgur.com/LnNsm9m.png

"Alternative Lifestyle Group that evolved into a data gathering group."

Children referred to their leader as "Game Caller." Marion Pettie was an Air Force officer and took the children all over the world.

In 1987, they were using TRS 80 computers to dial into a central computer using phone lines, to relay messages to each other from around the country. They had a school in Mexico.

Finders involved with "New Hope" in Kentucky. Brought kids there with them.

Sounds like they were selling the kids around the country to make money as they went.

Claims the pictures of the children killing the goats was NOT a sacrifice, but a "hands on learning experience."

The robes the men were wearing in the video were just sheets to keep them clean of blood.

https://i.imgur.com/DsZEtMQ.png

A lot of addresses need to be tracked down, but one stands out right away as Mary Cheh, a Democrat politician, is listed at one.

https://i.imgur.com/BIdnocA.png

Claims the NCMEC phones were tapped and that some of the information on the children came from an anonymous caller where the investigators were very interested in hearing the tape.

One site where the children were kept had at least 4 basements.

Report that Barbara Mateja was died because of beliefs of group... no medical attention.

Jensen Beach Elementary School is mentioned.

Legal Attache Brussels (as in Belgium) involved where someone is looking for missing evidence. San Diego, El Centro also queried about missing evidence.

"CIA" seems to be redacted by default in almost everything but hand written notes.

Marion Pettie's name the agencies he worked for are redacted.

Isabelle Pettie, Diane Sherwood, Barbara Sylvester listed as "moms" of the children.

In December 1993, the DOJ determined that the case warranted further investigation.

Towards the end, the file backs up the timeline to 1980, talking about Panama and the president of Investors Fiduciary Service Corps in Panama City, Panama. Also, "World Investment Corporation" whose secretary was Argelis Migdalia Ortega

Finders financer had a home in Chevy Chase, MD.

One member invovled in protest movements in the 60s, including "Fair Play for Cuba."

"Council of Federated Oragnizations" also another affiliated group.

Former member of Finders targeted by Finders. He left them and started work for NSA.

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thewebofslime ago

I tried to have a polite conversation about my site being attacked from NORTHERN VIRGINIA at which point I was mercilessly insulted and I merely stood up for myself. My facts are correct. My assertion was that anti-Q people were being targeted and that the operation was out of Northern Virginia. It turns out, some general admitted the Q movement was out of Virginia. Pretty strange that my security logs reflected that 7 months in advance.

If anyone wants to repost my Finders case research there, I'd share it. I could care less about being banned from /v/Pizzagate, but this particular set of facts is super important. The Finders are still out there. The Moms are easily tracked down.

I am not going to waste time making alts. I barely check in with Voat, anymore. It is good news it finally opened back up, but they still seem pretty drama oriented and all of the problems I face here are non-existent on Poal and Reddit.

As for the lawsuit...

I did my own personal one. After waiting 30 days after filing reports with LEO, I filed against John Doe for subpoena power, then asked for time for discovery, at which point I sent out subpoenas based on the group of people who went on multiple sites and harassed me and made contact with people I know where they attempted to tell everyone I was a pedophile. I have received discovery as a result and I will wait as long as possible before doing service, to make sure I have as many responses as possible. Since Crensch admitted to his behavior, he was the obvious John Doe to target, plus he knows other participants in the harassment irl, who are also easily subpoenad. He is not in Sterling, Virginia.

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

Thank you for answering, Webby. I appreciate it.

I tried to have a polite conversation about my site being attacked from NORTHERN VIRGINIA at which point I was mercilessly insulted and I merely stood up for myself.

I believe you when you say your site has been attacked, I always have. I just can't follow the line of reasoning that lead you to @Vindicator. All the tech stuff still remains above my head. @MadWorld tried to explain it to me, but I still had a hard time following what was being discussed.

I am not going to waste time making alts. I barely check in with Voat, anymore. It is good news it finally opened back up, but they still seem pretty drama oriented and all of the problems I face here are non-existent on Poal and Reddit.

Your ability to spread info across multiple sites has always been admirable, and I am grateful to you for taking the time.

And I miss you on FNGT. Don't you dare stop the music.

As for the lawsuit...

Thank you for the update.

If anyone wants to repost my Finders case research there, I'd share it.

Yes please. You know me, I want to make sure all the info is archived. How come you stopped posting PGnews?

You always have taken a teasing pretty well, I will give you that.

Keep shouting from the rooftop.

thewebofslime ago

The reason I wanted to have a conversation about it... a polite one... was because the IamQ email accounts all had passwords that matched, but were a few characters off.

fx0xn_1234

fx0xn_1235

etc.

One of those emails with the same password in sequence had "vindicator" in it and he was the one who discovered the IamQ post after it sat for a few years unnoticed. IT was a striking coincidence.

Later, I tracked the actual user of the computer whose email address had "goatblower" as the password, which also seemed a striking coincidence as it was most likely a Voat reference.

That was the evidence I started with. I have acquired more since. I did entertain the possibility that someone was setting vindicator up and even told him that, but his personality completely changed and he became incapable of having a rational conversation about it, then the whole crew jumped in and made sure that I sounded like the crazy one.

My site was attacked out of Sterling, Virginia and the other people being attacked in /v/Pizzagate were not followers of Q. It seemed like a good question to ask as to whether or not Q handlers or bakers or whatever, were behind the attacks. That conversation was never allowed to happen.

It all doesn't really matter to me, now, but I have a gig that is related to news and the people going after my personal life and trying to paint me as a pedophile were problematic for my new direction in life. That is why I reported the harassment to the police and federal law enforcement, then filed a lawsuit. Not that I expect much to come of it, but that is the only avenue to protect my personal life, in this instance. My face is out there. My name is out there and I have a responsibility to myself and my family to stand up and protect it.

Either way, at any point I am willing to listen to those who disagree with my conclusions about the attack on my site and how it coincided with other events; the conversation was just never allowed to reach that point. I also had tinglies because Top Minds of Reddit renewed their attack on me and on Pizzagate at the same time the Voat drama all started to go down.

From where I sit, there are at least two factions within the Q movement, where the one faction tried to move in on QRV and take it over. Since I don't believe Q is reliable, it's not a race I have a horse in. I've always just wanted to get the word out because I have been hoping exposure to protected political pedophilia will result in some movement against them.

The reason I haven't been playing guitar as much is because of my new direction, in life, but I will have time soon. I prefer to spend more time on music than anything.

I'll get you more Finders stuff soon. I can't believe no one has tracked these people down and asked them WTF, yet.

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

One of those emails with the same password in sequence had "vindicator" in it and he was the one who discovered the IamQ post after it sat for a few years unnoticed. IT was a striking coincidence.

What does it mean that the email had "vindicator" in? Was it in the text of the email, or somewhere else?

In all honesty, I found the submission by iamq prior to vindicator posting about it. I just don't do Q stuff. But I am pretty sure that vindicator and I were not the only two people scouring old PG submissions for missed info at that time. This is why it has always seemed just as reasonable to me that he found it right after I did, organically.

That was the evidence I started with. I have acquired more since. I did entertain the possibility that someone was setting vindicator up and even told him that, but his personality completely changed and he became incapable of having a rational conversation about it, then the whole crew jumped in and made sure that I sounded like the crazy one.

Yes he did get his hackles up, but your charges are stiff, I do not blame him for being defensive.

And I also agree that this is where communication stopped.

My site was attacked out of Sterling, Virginia and the other people being attacked in /v/Pizzagate were not followers of Q. It seemed like a good question to ask as to whether or not Q handlers or bakers or whatever, were behind the attacks. That conversation was never allowed to happen.

I agree. Q really does suck.

I also had tinglies because Top Minds of Reddit renewed their attack on me and on Pizzagate at the same time the Voat drama all started to go down.

Is that the same group who were downvote brigading you when v/pizzagate first started? (i 'member)

I can't believe no one has tracked these people down and asked them WTF, yet.

Me either. Go get 'em.

MadWorld ago

How's that lawsuit coming, btw?

I thought that was very funny!

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

I thought it was funny, too. Betcha webby doesn't think so.

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