Part of the reason for the 3-sub limit is to break the idea that a sub belongs to the people that mod it. They make voat their hobby and build up a collection of modships to control the subs like they're collecting beanie babies or trading cards.

Subs don't belong to anyone, they're just a method for organizing content. If these are temporary "remove spam" mod positions then why not give up 2 modships temporarily?

Why should I reply to you when you break up my words in some arbitrary fashion of your choosing?

I respond to each point. If you don't want your points responded to, maybe you shouldn't make them?

What I said is to be taken as a whole and if you want to address that i'll answer but I'm not playing debate club with you.

So you prefer when people respond to many points at once so you can wiggle around and claim that they didn't respond to X or Y within your comment? That's what people that don't like my responses tend to do, and really the only reason I can think of to have an issue at all.

You weren't wanting to argue dishonestly, were you?

No, I don't assume @cynabuns is a powerhungry mod but the next helper might be.

The next helper?

Maybe so. Wouldn't that suggest that less is more in that case?

I couldn't agree more that there should have been more discussion with the users as a whole, but there was no such conversation as to "how the site is run"; I volunteered to help out to delete spam to both Admins and that was all there was to it. No other convos, and no other involvement.

Pressed for time

This was what I meant, thanks.

As for choosing, make this a suggestion in the thread that goes up tomorrow it's a good idea.

It was done on the fly, "bandaid fix" has been a good descriptor I think, and it's going to be addressed. I would have questioned this had someone else been selected for spam duty just as you and others did and have.

I made a post here because I knew it would take me a while to get to a lot of the comments that deserve some answers, https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/comments/1319764. In short, when I was modded, I was of the impression that this was not true modding but simply keys to delete the ad-spam. I talked with PuttitOut and he agrees with this intent, but the code is lacking at the moment. Not only will there be new code in place with ultra limited capacity on these system subs but he's going to be making a new announcement tomorrow addressing some of the issues that should have been addressed the first time yesterday.

I don't see him explaining that he shouldn't be a mod.

I see PR management hours afterwards. I see that he actually asked for this position. I see him clarifying in an edit that put is going to speak with him about a possible demotion.

I think we were right to call foul, and we'll see what happens.

Sorry for my abrasiveness, as always. I see your reasoning and I'm glad they're working towards a fix.

But this isn't some bs site. I don't just trust random users on the internet to not abuse tools given to them.

That's just another part of the problem.

Our site admins basically do nothing. I'm fine with that honestly. This is a move after three months of inactivity. It's lazy.

Want to make him a mod? Do it then. And come out and say it outright. Perhaps change a rule and explain it to us, or drop a default sub so your not blatantly breaking a rule!

If cyna liked voat for voat, he would explain this to them. As I said, he clearly doesn't feel comfortable arguing his case. He knows this is a weird move.

it sounds like put completely forgot/disregarded voat rules, and since we noticed they will tie up some lose ends.

I'll drop the issue for now. I'll obviously be one of the users keeping a close eye on cyna. Hopefully he is the first and last user to be granted these mod powers in v/whatever.

That's virtuous of our new power-mod, but means nothing. If put decides she isn't actually going to derail our rules/mod limit, that would be more of a removal than an invitation to step down.

Edit: I redact the power mod statement. Cheap insult, sorry

It still seems like we have executives taking emergency authorization. Throwing the rulebook out the window. I've never said anything disrespectful towards put or atko, but this move is out of laziness. I don't think it's necessarily the beginning of the end, but it's certainly a step in the wrong decision.

They've also left the community in the dark. I can only assume they actually forgot about the rules. Or perhaps v/whatever isn't even a system sub by there definition anymore. That would be a real shame.

Idk if tagging him will do any good. He'/ ignoring it. I think he personally agrees with my sentament, but knows he means well. Doesn't matter.

But that stuff doesn't get upvoated. He's just one guy. How much of a dent could he put it in it?

Could bots/general nets not be talked about next? Should they be? I don't think were big enough to start that shit. Though I would prefer a bot to this.

Can you or anyone tell me if v/whatever is even a default sub any more? Did putitout even gloss over the fact that we have limits on default subs modded?

You're absence did not go unnoticed and I'm glad to see you commenting again. The sub is fortunate to have such awesome users that little maintenance is required.

I appreciate the nod, Reacher. PuttPutt will be putting out a new announcement tomorrow with more explanation on this new role.

lmfao

That the admins are starting to allow us users to help with the day-to-day hum-drum needed tasks is a welcomed sign I think. My role is very limited and by no means am I actually modding. I hope to show that my work to delete the ad-spam will go a long way.

But this could be the beginnings of rules for mods. Meaning puttitout was very clear that these were limited moddings.

You give the troll too much credit. Programmers make shit managers.

I've posted to address some of the concerns that have been raised: https://voat.co/v/ProtectVoat/comments/1319764

Like when the admins allow someone to cozy up to them and give certain users special treatment?

I didn't know you like fatties.

That's already been clarified in the announcement post. I don't think thats the issue at all.

This doesn't seem right. These things tend to snowball out of control.

@Cynabuns I've been on your side more often than not. Why do you need to hold onto all 5 of those subs?

They trust someone in the community. One of us and that means more to follow hopefully.

Someone like you?

Watch and observe.

Anything outside the acceptable will be heavily documented and shouted all over the site.

This may, or may not be a slide into abuse but we can only grab the pitchforks when there is proof of anti-community behaviour

If we want to ProtectVoat from power hungry mods we cant exclude our own.

Who's power hungry? Are you begging the question here?

If we do this sub is worth nothing.

My points all still stand.

This is the granting of 5 system subs.

So?

One which was promised to be unmoderated.

Apparently spam is an issue that does need to be addressed. This is the current answer the admins have come to.

Just because that person asked for them.

Who? Somebody that has shown that they're not a power hungry mod?

I'm not even sure the admins knew about the subs Cynabuns already modded.

That shows a really low opinion of the admins.

Your rebuttal kinda fails.

Spam deletion isn't worth power mods. Spam never makes it to the front page. Spam deletion is a + but a want more than a need. It is a second order issue.

Sorry, I posted below, but for visibility, here's the voice on the other end of things:

I'm going to have to agree here. If cynabuns or anyone so much as dances on the fucking line PV and the rest of the users will be up in arms.

That said, unlike with mods, the admins get to do shit like this with people that are trusted to not step out of line. Vetting one person for more than 3 subs is easier than vetting 2 people for a maximum of 3. IF this is what they want to do, we really don't have the right or reason to complain until something actually goes wrong.

Now my last point, and the most important:

That was written by @moe who turned out to be an @she cuck and was driven from this website. So your arguments are kinda stale.

While I'm sure @cynabuns will do just fine, I will not hesitate to break out the torch and pitchfork should something go awry.

Pretty sure he defended her like a proper white-knight cuck.

I'm happy to be told otherwise, but I'm pretty sure that happened.

I'm going to have to agree here. If cynabuns or anyone so much as dances on the fucking line PV and the rest of the users will be up in arms.

That said, unlike with mods, the admins get to do shit like this with people that are trusted to not step out of line. Vetting one person for more than 3 subs is easier than vetting 2 people for a maximum of 3. IF this is what they want to do, we really don't have the right or reason to complain until something actually goes wrong.

Now my last point, and the most important:

That was written by @moe who turned out to be an @she cuck and was driven from this website. So your arguments are kinda stale.

Wait v/whatever has mods? Why?

PV has always been about power tripping.

I saw @puttitout post earlier about this and thought "the beginning of the end". Once you start to give in to this, it will snowball. At first it's just a janitor. Then it's a high level mod. Then his personal feelings start to interfere with posts. Then others get pulled up through the ranks. 5 years later you have what killed 4chan and Reddit and many others. I said it a long time ago, but the owners of this site are not to be trusted either, once that corporate money starts to dangle in front of them, they will turn like the rest. EVERYONE has their price. Mark my words, IF this site gets big, you will all be sold out. I'll stay here until censorship gets systematic.

Didn't you guys just have a thread asking about a global mod team? The majority of the users said no but the admins and a PV mod say fuck that we don't give a fuck about the users.

Hopefully Cynabuns will have a think about this and do the right thing even if the admins don't address this.

The admins were recently absent for over a month and a half and dont respond to things that are in the too hard basket anymore.

oh well yeah, wtf

hmmm...what is this 3 rule?