Nope making the users permanently anonymous killed it.

If you were in charge, what kind of content or comments would you have censored? Would you censor stuff that VoatForFreeSpeech wouldn't or vice versa?

I like the way your comment isn't censored here. Hopefully u/VoatForFreeSpeech lives up to his name.

I see, thanks.

By the old mods and the new we swear our fealty to the 14 words.

if youre from reddit fuck you

I keep hearing this, but to my knowledge, no one is censoring Nat Soc shit, or Zionist shit. Seems like there was just some people that didnt want to lose power

Can you elaborate on what you mean by Alt-Kike? Are you possibly conflating the Alt-Lite with the Alt-Right? I admit, lots of the Alt-Right is pretty cucky and still not there yet. But they are clearly motivated by the 14 words and the 14 words alone, even if they haven't figured out 88.

I take the Murdoch Murdoch angle. Who is our enemy? Anyone who opposes the 14 words. The Alt Right do not oppose the 14 words, in fact, the 14 words are their mantra. Therefore, from my perspective at least, while they clearly aren't us, they also aren't our enemy.

Are you possibly referring to the Alt-Lite? PJW, Cernovich, Crowder, Lauren Southern, Gavin McInnes, Breitbart, Drudge, Infowars, etc.? Because those people aren't Alt-Right. Those people have actually actively condemned and disavowed the Alt-Right and White Nationalism. When you cross over from Alt-Lite to Alt-Right is when you accept the 14 words. When you cross over from Alt-Right to Far-Right is when you accept 88. Just as the Far-Right should never be confused with the Alt-Right, the Alt-Right should never be confused with the Alt-Light.

I believe that it's alright for there to be flow between these groups, as long as it's a one-way flow that only goes Right, and never, ever goes Left. That flow of people moving Right, towards us, is the material of our future base. If the amount of people we have now is the size of our movement, if we decide that only those that are already ideologically NatSoc are what we are going to move forward with, then we have already lost. Can't you see that? We literally just don't have enough manpower.

I agree with the Ropeculture crowd in that we should not compromise our ideals ever, and that we need to hold on to what we know is true and right. BUT. I don't see why that means that other people who aren't there yet are our enemies. You can either see them as our enemies, or as future allies. If they already believe in the 14 words, then trust me, it won't be long until they are volunteering for the RWDS, once the reality of the situation hits them.

We should hold up our ideas, as a beacon, but not to drive our brother Whites away from us, but rather, by holding ourselves up as an example, to draw them towards us.

I guess my condensed question is, what about White Nationalism and the 14 Words is a cuck/slave identity? The only difference between Alt-Right and Far-Right are what Rockwell called "Sneaky Nazis". Ideologically, these people are clearly Nazis, they just aren't comfortable yet unleashing the 88. They are 14, but not 88. I get that they are only half way there, but how does that make them a "cuck/slave"? And I'm asking in good faith, I honestly am open to the fact that I'm completely missing something critical here, and look forward to your response.

No... because /r European Nationalism is also on Reddit. That place has 3,500 subs. It's not Reddit that made it bigger.

Not up on this faggotry drama but this is autism on the nth degree. We're 14 words, that's enough for anyone. I, personally, am NatSoc but not a tinfoiler when it comes to the kike question. These fucking kiddies here are obsessed with compartmentalizing ideas to more easily function within their own reasoning. It's pretty feminine tbh. Here's what I, an inactive af fashy goy, think: The alt-right are 14 words; the alt-lite are not and, while kikes will most definitely try to infiltrate us in the AR as they have in NatSoc, it's retarded to completely diffuse our community and kill our momentum. This is niggery, this is faggotry, this isn't natsoc and it isn't alt-right. Get over yourselves, autists. Even if you are an 88 faggot, you can at least speak with alt-righters and get their view of things. I'm NatSoc, not an 88 faggot swastika sucker - these people are our niggers and need to be placated but destroying the momentum and community I've seen grow more in the past 3 years than in as many decades is depressing af. Once more, get over yourselves. Fucking niggers/faggots/kikes/women.

Yeah, this is something that seems lost on people, Milo and PJW and Cernovich and the Alt-Lite cucks were NEVER tolerated on the old /r Alt-Right. The Swastika was flying pretty high in that sub, and normies like ancaps and the like were coexisting with it. Normies were coexisting with the Swastika and accepting it. It was never as cucked as people try to make it out now. Alt-Kike? That just confuses me. How does entryist National Socialism come off as kiked? I think there is just a language gap, and some people are calling the Alt-Lite the Alt-Right.

As long as this big tent is still a home for National Socialists. While we can never cooperate with the Alt-Lite, I've always considered the Alt-Right to be entryist White Nationalism. I always thought that it was strange that rather than having our own National Socialist boards, we took over the Alt-Right boards. I feel like this possibly disadvantages us in a way.

The Alt-Right is a stage that most people basically have to go through before they are exposed to enough red pills, and finally accept National Socialism. Cutting off the main entryism/honeypot space we had, the Alt-Right and Identitarian boards, is literally just cutting off our future supply of NatSocs. Because however much the moderate cucks here don't want to admit it, and the RopeCulture hardcores on the other side don't want to admit it either, the moderate cucks end up National Socialists if they hang around us for long enough. Because we're right. All we ever had to do was get people into the same space as us, and eventually they would see that we were right. Whether it was /r AltRight, /r Pussypass, or even old /v Identitarian, we're just churning out NatSocs. That's a good thing.

I'm not sure I understand, those moderators who were (god bless them), "ropeculture based NatSoc", what did they do wrong? What exactly was their vision and desire for this subvoat as compared to the other moderators? What was the unreconcilable difference between your two points of view?

Tbh it sounds like you're confusing Marxism and Prussian Socialism but ok

Er... do you mean Marxism, or the sort of traditional "socialistic" impulses that healthy individuals naturally have towards their kin group? You seem unnecessarily hostile, friendo.

What? I just checked in here and there's all this drama... If you want a specifically NatSoc subverse, create it, and call it something like /v/NatSoc. I'd definitely join.

I need a better tldr.

I'm comfy with NatSoc, but identitarianism isn't (necessarily) NatSoc, even thought NatSoc was an identitarian movement. The sub should obviously be more "big tent". Is that all that's going on here?

Besides Internet Explorer, what is IE?

So you think working for someone gives you the right to seize their property? I guess you really are socialist.

muh millenial woes is a massive homo but because he makes youtube vids hes fine 2 me. homosexuality is implicitly huwhite

There you are. Where are you at on this drama?

So where is Titsout? Is he in or out?

subreddit

Jared Taylor was accepted here as well. He did an AMA not too long ago.

Can you break it down for me?

I don't trust you anymore.

I've got to ask, what does IE mean?

There's nothing wrong with the people who will get here but aren't here yet. The problem is the people like VFFS who actively oppose getting people here. They are a cancer.

Source?

Why have tolerance for degeneracy?

I look forward to regaining the feel and quality of /r/altright which was pretty much lost here.

Hail Victory!

The reason why I dont have a problem with toning it down is because of WHO asked us to tone it down. The ones asking are the ones in the street, they are the ones putting up posters and stickers, they are on camera talking. ive yet to see the ones who are butthurt put in any work besides on a subverse.

No national socialism, no fascism. Unless you're using kike semantics, that's a ban on the far right.

Where was this said?

I didn't blame you, I just indicated that it was happening.

he views White Nationalism as a social club because his ideological foundation is weak.

No, he correctly understands that politics is an extension of the social order and nothing will happen without a core social and cultural foundation.

Don't take this the wrong way but, would call an alternate subverse be a good option?

That's a fair criticism, but he was also the one with the clairvoyance to create this sub in the first place. Also, the guidelines he enforced are his own, not diktat from Nathan or IE at large. The leaked announcement in question only came after he asked for help once this shitstorm already started.

I know for a fact that he's incredibly active in the movement at large and is personally responsible for seeding dozens of local groups around the country. He may have been inactive here for sometime but he was no doubt active with other endeavors. His inactivity doesn't nullify ownership of the board, and the spam and vindictive leaking is coming off as petty and childish.

Everyone loves the 14 words, but decides we're too radical when we support the 88 precepts. It's 14/88 for a reason.

I suggest you read RamblingRambos own posts and submissions if you would like an answer to this question. I agree the whole thing is petty and harmful to our movement, but hopefully we can move forward from here.

Most of this went down around 2am US time. I'm a human being with a job, so I needed some sleep, which is the reason for the delayed explanation.

The leaked pics do not at all show a desire to censor the far right. I stated very clearly we must ensure people know we aren't censoring them to prevent your type of hysterics.

The person who suggested IE rules likely did so specifically to leak the chat logs and suggest a takeover. Neither of us agreed to implementing IE rules, and that is still our stated position.

There is no ban in IE on 'far right discourse', there is a ban on posting and attaching ourselves to a particular brand of Nationalism that existed in the 1930's. The ideas themselves are fine.

Exactly. How can you say you love something if you are willing to sit idly by and let it be destroyed at the hands of (((evil)))?

I am for this of we get rid of various obsessions with historic movements and meaningless shigposting. I would love this subverse to become a place for new right ideas and Identitarian activism.

We continue to support ALL those agree with the 14 Words to post here regardless of their position on the spectrum

If you aren't at the wall then you'll get lined up against the wall. You need to pick a side, there is no middle ground. Anything in the middle is ideological inconsistency.

I don't disagree with you. Enmity is important. But your own quote distinguishes between a healthy and an unhealthy hatred. And a hate which swamps the whole movement and alienates the very people you need to reach -- is unhealthy.

What can I say? The white identity movement needs to move beyond cartoonish Hitler fetishism if it's ever going to gain real traction. There is a huge ocean of whites out there who want to stand up for their race, but they don't have hate for anyone else, and won't make that important leap when the movement's focus is on hating other races instead of loving ours.

This is true no matter what happens to this particular sub.

The jew lies with no evidence.

Did we ever find out if this was shareblue/ctr, r/blackladies and r/againsthatesubreddits, or something else?