John 8:44

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Most of the Old Testament is God going to increasingly extreme lengths to get the Jews to behave like civilized people: he gives them rules, he punishes them, he bails them out after they repent, rinse and repeat 6 gorillion times.

In the New Testament, God incarnates himself into a man and gives Jews the ultimate last chance: the promised Messiah has come to deliver them! and what do the Jews do? aside from a few, they take a massive shit on Jesus, treat him like a brigand and come up with false accusations to have him executed. The pagan Roman governor even tells them that Jesus is innocent, he puts them before the choice of having either Jesus or a violent murderer freed, and the Jews in their wickedness choose the murderer. Then they cheer on as their Messiah is tortured and executed, spitting and cursing him all the way. The story ends with God going "you know what you cunts? fuck your special status, now you're like everyone else". God bails on cultivating a chosen people who literally couldn't stop betraying him and had him killed over false, unjust accusations.

And that's what the Bible says about Jews.

Christianity teaches that Jews are the "chosen" people.

The overarching theme of pre-Christian Judaism is the Jews repeatedly breaking the covenant they made with God when he made them stewards of the world. Eventually God gave them an ultimatum - get your shit together, or I'll find another solution.

They didn't get their shit together, so they were disqualified as God's Chosen.

Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

There are some really great comments here and I can't add much to them. I particularly liked Dudicles. There is no contradiction between being Jew aware or race aware and Christianity. For the first nineteen hundred and fifty years of Christianity's existence it had no problem naming the Jew, being quite racially realist, or allowing nations borders and homogeneity.

Its only after Marxism went after the Church that all the modern problems have crept in. Go back and read the early Church Father's it might surprise you what they have to say.

God does say that the Jews are the chosen people, but we don't even know who the Jews are.

Those claiming to be the Jews may be the synagogue of Satan, which explains the filth they are pushing today.

For all we know the white Europeans targeted for extermination are the Jews.

love this thread

There have been a lot of good answers offered. I'll add mine.

the Jews were the chosen people. Past tense. Israel in the modern political sense is a set of physical borders, human citizens, and laws those humans have enacted; Israel in the Christian sense is the set of humans who are true to the Lord and who worship Him.

Jews are the chosen people of God who were usurped by Satan to serve him instead. They are a cursed people who embraced the punishment of killing Christ on themselves and their posterity.

I LOVE me some Jesus, all day long, so much so that I DON'T worship the fucking Bible - a book written by old, fat, cranky ass Jews to control and enslave. The fact that the Bible has some nice parts is...nice. So what? Chosen people??? Are you fucking kidding me??? ASK GOD DIRECTLY whether this is true or just some bullshit that some assholes made up a long time ago. Anyone who worships the Bible over their own living connection to God is blaspheming, according to the Bible's own rules. "Thou shalt have no God before me"...

One of the more ridiculous headlines I saw was this from CTV: King Tut may have been more European than Egyptian. I can see where they’re coming from, the haplogroup which Tut may have been a member of is present at over ~50% frequency in Western Europe, and ~1% in Egyptians. But this is just a single locus, a marker which traces the paternal lineage of an individual (assuming they’re male). To illustrate the obvious fallacy of this logic, recall that Dr. Daniel MacArthur is of the same haplogroup as I am, R1a1a. Does this imply that I am “more Scottish than Bengali”? Not really. In terms of total genome variation I’m South Asian, and Dr. MacArthur is Northwest European. Our paternal lineage is just one slice. Secondarily, why can’t we formulate it so that Dr. MacArthur is “more Bengali than Scottish”? There are more Bengalis than Scots by about 1 order of magnitude.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/08/the-king-tut-dna-story/#.WRM0y58pA0N

I know a better link. Gimme a bit to find it.

As long as you're praying to The Lord God Jesus Christ, thankyou :)

Lmao NIV, ewwwww.

I know plenty sir but signing off soon. Seriously though read and study your Bible.

You might wanna re-read your Bible.

Huh? Sorry don't get the point?

1) you can't infer racial ancestry from y chromosome and 2) Tut wasn't white. A Swedish DNA company inferred his genome from a picture from the discovery channel. Ie it's not scientific. The company did it to make more money and sell more kits.

Tut wasn't European. That's just click bait science journalism. Science journalism sucks.

Not really, still doesn't support a blood curse or counter the unconditional covenants Israel had with God.

Jewdea

when we have genetic evidence that whites inhabited North Africa and the ME 2000 years before Jesus

Source?

Born and raised Catholic and still practice. Its not so much about following the letter of the law. I read the Bible back to front while in college and to me its more about an individuals interpretation while following, as best they can, the tenets of their faith. The point is not to browbeat others into following you but to lead by example, becoming the best man you can be and, by doing so, inspiring others to emulate you.

I consider religion and politics as separate. Yes, they overlap, but belonging to a faith should not stop someone from acting pragmatically politically. I know its been discussed at length elsewhere but Religion is never going to go away. It is a pillar of the human psyche. Now, other people may not use a religion, necessarily, for this pillar. Sometimes its liberalism, sometimes its environmentalism, or atheism etc. Each and every person has to frame their existence against that of a cold, vast, uncaring universe. That's why you see so many zealots nowadays outside of religion (just look at the Progressive Left. Dogmatic, sacred calfs, holy texts, preaching of good vs evil, its all there). The fanaticism of the human spirit is still there its just now people are attaching it to things other than "religions" to give their lives meaning. Some grand struggle, some great vision. Its all the same thing dressed up differently.

I'm sticking with Catholicism because its the pillar my family has chosen for generations. Because of all the holidays and love and warmth and happiness I've experience under its banner. Because of the life I love and the prosperity I have enjoyed and my forefathers enjoyed have been under the banner of the cross. I know that may not be a good enough reason for some but its good enough for me and that is all that matters.

TL;DR I don't care what the Bible says about Jews. Has no bearing on my thoughts towards them. The state of the world today is enough to draw your own conclusions you don't need to worry about whats in a 2000 year old book.

You should listen to the "Mysterium Fasces" podcast, where actual Christian Fascists discuss and explain this topic. I highly recommend listening to all of the episodes, but if you don't want to spare the time, just listen to the first episode here.

Edit: reading other comments here, I see some people pushing the "religion is all good and useful, I just don't believe in it" narrative. So now I definitely recommend watching all of the episodes as they clear all of this up (at the very least listen to the first 5).

Christ himself called the Progenitors of modern talmudic/rabbinical judaism liars and the synagogue of Satan he called them snakes and spiders and rats too. the Pharisees and Sadducees are the ones who killed christ and in their image was the other reformation of the faith of Abraham. Let me give you a sort of religious genealogy.

Abraham and God make a covenant, Abraham lacks faith and has a surrogate mother bear him a son when his wife had not yet done so. God and Abraham's wife Sarah are pissed and tell him to send the boy and his mother away. The boy was Ishmael, he is the ancestor of the peoples who make up much of the muslim world, we'll come back to that soon. Abraham's wife eventually did bare him a son and to test Abraham's faith in the covenant god sent him up to the mountain to sacrifice his juvenile son, Abraham showed he had faith and God ordered him to spare the boy this boy was Isaac. Isaac had two sons, Esau and Jacob; Esau was the first born a rough hardworking man of little cunning, Jacob was basically a turd who didn't like work and tricked his brother into giving up his inheritance. Esau means red if I recall and interestingly his descendants moved north and split into many groups of which ironically the ashkanzi Jews are likely descendants. Jacob Became heir and was a little shit so God took his ass to the mat literally in a wrestling match and crippled the cunt, Jacob got the fear of God in him and took the name Israel; his sons were the heads of each of the 13 tribes of Israel. I'm not going to get into the entire old testament from this point like I'm your Sunday school teacher but I will jump back to Ishmael and the arabs. These dudes didn't have revelations from the God of Abraham but their progenitor lived in Abraham's house and knew God's work and passed this on to his children, they were gentiles that worshiped the God of Abraham. Other Pagan faiths existed alongside the monotheistic beliefs of Ishmael's kin and without a proper order or history keeping ideas of God became merged and also varied in many regions. Christianity had some wild success in conversions because it opened the story of their God up to these people and worked really well but many rural areas had not been reached by christian missions and others were set fast in their ways.

The largest competing pagan faith at the time of Mohamed was a vague oral tradition based on a moon and water god that was essentially a spin off of Ishmael's oral traditions but re-purposed to serve rural agriculture and the masters of those lands, mohamed spent some time studying the beliefs on all ends and basically sutured these old religions together and added a bunch of bullshit to benefit himself, Mohammed was the most successful con-man in history.

Back to the 13 tribes we see the tribes end up being specialized, one tribe are the priests, one tribe are warriors, one craftsmen etc this system works OK until the jerks decided they want a king, he fucks up the hierarchy and rules, runs roughshod over all the normal order of things and this kicks in one out of many cycles of rebellion against God, getting right fucked up and then coming back to God. Eventually this fissure leads to the nation of Israel splitting into two kingdoms, Judah led by the sons of Judah or Judahites (Guess where Juden/Juif/Jew comes from) as the first edition of the king James bible called them and the southern kingdom which kept the name Israel and was really fucking corrupt and nasty. God has Judges come from the people during the time of kings and he uses them to dole out divine justice, Judah became a corrupt place too and told the kikes to fix their shit and left a couple of prophets to tell them again of the messiah and make clear that if they are still shit when the time comes God isn't going to send them a Christ to lift them up but a Christ to tear them down.

Priesthood runs scams because faith is trendy for a couple hundred years and then Jesus Shows up and gives everybody a chance to turn against the priests who have lied to them, most of the inhabitants of the region convert in a few generations, the reaming Jews are the ones who were either too stupid to see the scam perpetrated by the priesthood or the ones reaping the rewards, then the diaspora under Rome spread those fuckers to every edge of the empire.

Jesus came because God got tired of dirty tricks, Muslims have a poser religion like Mormonism but designed by a maniacal hedonistic warlord, Christianity was the True reformation for the believers in the God of Abraham, Judaism as it has existed for almost 2200 years has just been kikes scamming kikes out of their shekels and trying to come up with more ways to justify their own evil. it's sort of like having a religion based around indulgences, no wonder that the guy who wrote a book "the Jews and their lies" also began the protestant reformation when the Catholic church went full Juden and created the indulgences.

Catholicism has problems (commie kike pope) but there are true Christians amongst them, Protestantism has whole sects of pozzed faggots but also many that are a more western version of eastern orthodoxy with fewer great traditions and no priests, then eastern orthodoxy which is probably the truest inheritor of God's Church.

Liberalism May have been born out of the Enlightenment period in the west which is certainly a strong tie back to Christendom but I would argue that Christianity has taken many forms at many times and that was simply the form the men responsible for the enlightenment gave Christianity as they molded it like all generations do. I see the Church as a baby the product of both mankind and Christ the enlightenment period was potty training, it learned to evacuate the bad stuff on it's own, The protestant reformation was learning to talk and read. the last couple hundred years have been formative but the church is still in it's youth, it hasn't yet learned how to combat Jewish subversion. The advent of mass media was really like the first day of school.

I didn't intend to blog-post, this was just going to be one paragraph so if you need a short and dirty just read paragraph one, it's the meat and potatoes.

One thing I enjoy about our movement is that we can openly disagree with each other on smaller things like this and have a discourse.

Not really man. https://voat.co/v/Identitarian/1849232/9051643

Not sure how alt-right I actually am. If we're picking lables I'm mostly anti-leftist. But maybe I can still help you out with this.

God told the Jews from the begining they were vessels to hold his covenant with mankind but that they would eventually lose this covenant by rejection of God's will. In the old testament you see the first cultural acknowledgment of this in the drunken Noah moment where he curses his son Ham then tells Shem he will be blessed by God but Japheth will dwell in Shem's tents and be enlarged. Rough meaning the one brother would end up fathering the dominant culture based on the general philosophies of the other. I will leave you to sort through the part of Genesis called the Table of Nations to figure out which brother ended up where.

The remainder of the OT is a collection of judgement cycles and messianic prophecy.. basically one or two righteous Jews save the entire race over and over again as they sink into degeneracy. Then Rome sacks Jerusalem and the OT is over. Enter Jesus, Son of God made man, a Jew, a scion of David, rightful heir to the throne given to Harod blah blah blah starts teaching a return to the pure faith and a rejection of economic and political power trough religion. This doesn't sit right with temple priests who are charging fees for everyday Jews to pray (even though God removed himself from the temple way back in Ezekiel and never came back) and pushing multiculturalism with the Romans.

They become upset and Jesus tells the parable of the wicked vine-growers (Luke 20). This points out that time and time again their own prophets have warned them that if they don't live up to God's teaching he will replace them with people who will. The crucifixion was required for salvation, but the rejection of Christ was what made the Jews just another ethnic group.

When Jesus rose from the dead he told Peter the Jews rejected his message so now salvation belongs to the Gentile. Through the reminder of the new testament God reveals to Peter and Paul that we aren't doing the Kosher thing any more. You don't even have to be physically circumcised anymore as what matters now is baptisim and faith.

New deal, new covenant, new chosen people.

This is why we shouldn't spread Christ through the sword.. not everyone is going to be a Christian. It's the doctrine of election if you want to read up on it. But we aren't supposed to be passively mowed down either. (Luke 22:36) We have the right to self defense against an aggressor who would use every tool at their availability to gain a control hold including perpetuating the misconception that they are still a magical devine people and the rightful masters of all Christains.

Nope. Thanks to European cultures and philosophical schools of thought we've come a very long way away from blood magic in the desert for fun and profit. And these cultures have the right to existence and continuance. When Christ returns it will not be to establish a dominant Jewish ethnostate but to establish the rule of His church free from human falicy and misconception but fulfilled in his current revelation. The Jewish faith will not play a role in this. Suicidally worshipping and fearing the Jews as so many liberal Christians do is like an adult attempting to feed himself through his saved placentia. It is corrupted and past the point of usefulness and we have grown well out of it into a totally different mode of nourishment.

Christianity isn't a store or a job. It is of no consequence what you have to offer to it, or it to you. It is either true, or false. If true it is of utmost importance. If false it is a total waste of time.

well for one they rejected the savior of mankind lol. Christ came to free people from the burden(s) of religion. (abrahamic) Religion started as a covenant between Yahweh and abraham, the emphasis was on having a personal relationship with god. Through the generations this became increasingly diluted until the paradigm had shifted entirely so that focus was off of relationship and onto empty religious practices. Enter christ, sent by the father to reinitiate the personal relationship(s) intended between the father and his children. Specifically, they brought jesus to pontius pilate (the roman magistrate) and whined and bitched and moaned (serious threat of riot and revolt in a troubled settlement, effectively forcing the hand of a man who is at risk of losing his job) until pilate offered them a choice; to free a known murderer (barabbas) or pursue this complaint against christ. They chose to have barabbas released to the public and pilate has christ publicly brutalized in a last ditch effort to appease the crowd (to save christs' life). The pharisee's are not sated, their machinations come to fruition, christ is crucified.

Furthermore you are an unwilling participant in a rigged financial system that unjustly benefits bankers. There was only one time jesus was violent and that was in chasing away the money-changers at the temple.... You are a gentile, zionists appropriate the entire earth as their dominion as gods "chosen ones" (anyone who choses religion over relationship forfeits their inheritance) and presume to bring you to heel. If geo-political conspiracy theory is correct: america is effectively a vassal state to israel financially, culturally, educationally, diplomatically, and militarily etc.

If you do decide to pick up a bible, be aware that the first 5 books of the old testament (genesis, exodus, leviticus, numbers, deuteronomy) are the books of law authored by moses. These 5 books are essentially the Torah (the jewish bible). Also please be aware that there are books that were excluded from the mainstream bible, (enoch and nicodemus off the top of my head). Also please be aware that there is a bloodline between judaism and islam, an argument between brothers that led to this split (ishmael and isaac).

Anyways, If you hold a sacred place in your heart for god and earnestly seek a personal relationship with god on a daily basis then I think in time god will show you that you are his chosen one.

There you go.

Is anyone else from Judea?

The powers and principalities we fight today are not Gods Jewish peoples. Karzarians took the Jewish religion when they were given the choice. They never truly practice the religion. They kept there satanic magix practices and continue to this day. That is where they hid. The term "two face" was coined for this race of peoples. Jewish in public, Karzarian every were else.

The Gentile.....white brown yellow black.....this is who Jesus came and died for. You and Me. Remember Jesus was with Gods people (Jewish), but he was God in human form......there for all of us.

If it weren't for the Pharisees, Pilot, Judas and his coins, there would not have been the sacrifice. If Mary had not gone to the tomb and found the stone rolled away....well.....God has his way.

Jesus was the blood sacrifice for all peoples. You cannot buy it, earn it, do good deeds to attain it. It is simple faith and ask him to come into your life.

It is very funny. I love when people claim to hate Jews and love Jesus. Jesus was a Jew.

The dumb bastards can't have it both ways.

I don't know if anyone here has read the Gospels but Jesus basically spends half his time talking about how the Jews are fucking everything up, how they're warping Gods instructions and covenant with them to suit their selfish greedy needs, how they are sinners and hypocrites who try to tell everyone else how to be righteous all the time while being total dicks themselves. Sound familiar? I read the Gospels after I found the alt right and I was like holy shit Jesus knew watsup!

As far as the "chosen" people obviously with Christs coming the Jews were meant to accept Christ, thereby making the Christians the chosen people, not the Jews.

If you are an atheist I strongly recommend you read the New Testament yourself and look into the historical evidence for the life of Christ and the apostles, of which there is plenty. Don't take the word of Zeitgeist at its face. If you are interested I can recommend a very good documentary (good as in content, Hollywood isn't producing this stuff to look appealing).

God put a blood curse on all jews for eternity for killing Jesus. Jews aren't the chosen people. They rewrote the bible to make them appear that way. Look into the schofield bible. If you are a true christian, you should hate all jews and want to kill them.

As Torkimadi has explained, Christians in the Alt Right know how shitty Jews are, which in all honesty goes without saying since they literally killed the Christian messiah lol.

Nonetheless the mainstream churches are totally cucked and it's hard to say if they're worth participating in. They are proven to give a sense of community, but if you're Alt Right their "morals" are cucky and worthless.

I think you should maybe join some IRL Alt Right community instead and maintain your religious beliefs in your household and amongst those with similar ideas.

I do believe that religion is probably the best way to unite people and establish morals, even though I'm not really religious myself, so I think it's a long term solution to social ills that can be looked into.

Not really alt-right (more of a Catholic monarchist or at least see a need for some sort of confessional state), but the Jews rejected Jesus and proclaimed that his blood should be on them and on their children... and then the temple was destroyed 30some years later.

The Jews should be brought to conversion like everyone else.

For a good take on the "chosen people" idea, read Chesterton's The Everlasting Man (it's free online in text and audio book). Essentially, one man saw beyond the idol oriented religion of his day and saw that there had to be a God who created the gods they worshipped. Abraham was then given the honor of starting a nation, with whom God made a covenant to give His law so that they would be set apart. Eventually, He came to dwell among us to fulfill the prophecies given this people. Anyway, check out the book. Can't recommend it (or anything else Chesterton wrote) enough.

Israelites of the bible and Jews of today are different. Even circumcision in the bible was different from today's; a leading Talmudic rabbi changed circumcision in 150AD to a complete removal, likely as a blood rite. Christ called the Pharisees and Sadducees the children of satan. They're the forebearers of the Talmudic Jews, which is the Judaism and Jews we know today. Talmudic Jews don't actually use the Torah, they may recite it or make shows of it, but they use their mystical (luciferian) Talmud instead.

Levantine Israelites are Caucasian, take a look if you can find some pictures. The imagery of Christ is actually accurate, with light brown/brown hair and blue/green/hazel eyes - he was likely a Levantine Israelite.

It's convoluted, but generally Jews we know today are a subset of only one group of Israelites from the bible, not the whole poeple. Not to mention, they gave up any birthright to chosenness or god, when they killed him.

I was born and raised an atheist, I converted to (traditional, not novus ordo) Catholicism in my late 20s. Structure, accountability, morals have made a huge wonderful impact on my life. Also having the knowledge that no matter how bad things are, it will be okay, makes tough times bearable instead of suicidal. Two years after conversion I was married (and I had been trying for marriage for 5+ years previously) and three years later (as in, after conversion) our first child was born. The stark change in my life before and after conversion is huge.