LatoreCon ago

Idk. It's not his style. Do you think he has enough self control to maintain for this long with a perfect record?

Gottmituns ago

So if it was a flag what would that mean?

sirylj ago

Sorry, but what do you mean by flag? Like reporting it?

edit: If it was flagged or reported... I don't know. That would still mean the mods looked at the report and chose to delete, delete my other comments, and then shadow ban me before undeleting a few of the comments and giving me a 3 day ban. What spooks me the most is that somehow about five archives at Archive.fo are missing.

Gottmituns ago

Shit, I forgot the word false. I meant, if it were a false flag, what would that mean? As in who's behind it and why?

sirylj ago

I don't know, not enough to speculate too deeply on it or start connecting dots. I think the first step in unraveling it though might start with the soldiers that were carrying the coffin, since they would have to know if there was a body in it or not because of the weight difference. The people that were at the shooting would be another thread to start with.

On a larger scale, again I'm not sure. If Putin were behind it, well, I don't see what he would gain from this. If he's not behind it but is aware of this, I also don't know what he gains or stands to lose from not making it public knowledge.

It was a while ago when I was reading about it, but Erdogan was announcing that Turkey would be invading Syria to remove Assad around when this was happening, which could potentially trigger something along the lines of NATO vs Russia.

Someone who has deeper and more broad knowledge of what's going on on the world stage and in those regions would have to step in on this. I'm just an amateur conspiracy frog. I only stumbled on this after reading the news about the assassination and finding videos someone uploaded on YouTube going through all the videos and pictures and pointing out the inconsistencies. They deleted them later, but I saved them first. The pictures and videos of the shooting are still online though.

Honestly, the only definitive answer I can come to is that if it's fake, the world is more of a stage than I thought of before, and I already believe or at least don't completely dismiss a number of other theories out there about the world and other false flags and hoaxes. The implications, like most things of this nature, lead down a rabbit hole that make it difficult to come out with a clearer understanding than before (more questions than answers, etc.).

dunklederf ago

Alex Jones is controlled opposition, it's the case of 'fiction aced with some truth'.

sirylj ago

UPDATE:

So the first comment is back now, but the others are still deleted, and I'm still shadow banned without any message telling me.

Here's the archive of the first comment deleted:

https://archive.fo/ZSmuB 23 Feb 2017 02:29:15 UTC

Here's the archive of it live:

https://archive.fo/vmfi3 23 Feb 2017 05:12:57 UTC

Still doesn't explain why it was deleted in the first place (wasn't because of spam, I didn't repost it until after the first one was deleted), or why they shadow banned me for just bringing it up, especially now that it's back in the thread.

Weird.

LatoreCon ago

Alex jones immediately turns me away now. I listened to his show for months solid and he just went to hard trying to underhandedly advocate sjw cancer and pro nonwhite shit. Im sick of his "I'm not a racist and I'll prove it. Black people do X better than whites. Take that white people!"

he did it over and over and over again

sirylj ago

Plus how he freaks out when people point out that Jews are at the head of most of the programs that he's talking about.

I've been watching him recently too, enjoyed his performance for a while too, but I keep seeing again and again where people show him avoiding genuine, non-hateful and fact based questions, and how he will also take down videos without saying anything.

After what just happened too... it's all just too much to ignore.

LatoreCon ago

Yeah i was wondwring why he never even touched the jew topic. Then he did hit it one day and he basically dismissed it without a second thought - that was NOT a fair evaluation of the info by any metric, and there is so much there he would probably need about three shows' worth of time to cover it all. So to me, he was obviously trying to quickly dismiss it which made his stock massively drop in my book.

After the last time he slighted whites i said fuck it and i havent even been tempted to watch again.

fashitup ago

NOW, LISTEN. IT'S THE (((GLOBAHLISTS))).

sirylj ago

Oh, and I just remembered, to add to all of that, I remember him saying quite a few times in multiple videos that he realizes the future is not white, and he's okay with that because whites aren't that great anyway...

LatoreCon ago

yeah he says dumb shit like that

sirylj ago

Yeah, if you want to see him ignore genuine questions and call people crazy and completely blow them off, just search for "InfoWhores".

shieldxsword ago

Buddy he could have collapsed one way, then rolled over as he died. He's fat as fuck and its a 9mm so it probably didnt go through. He could have been bleeding internally without a ton leaking out.

It was on film. Bodies get darker when the blood stops pumping, unless they're losing all then blood, blood turns blue/darkish as cells use up oxygen.

sirylj ago

Those are all valid points, but this is also about why they would delete the posts about this in the Alex Jones AMA and why they would shadow ban me for asking them.

So:

Yes, he is large. The way he fell, it was pretty much directly to his left, crumpling at his knees and waist. He might have fallen at a bit of an angle, but even if he did, he would have had to roll at most 90 degrees or a bit less in a counter clockwise circle to get to the final position he was in. In the picture of him, he is laying straight backwards with his arms completely straight out to both sides. This is a weird position for him to end up in given how he fell. It would be more likely that he was either crumpled or slight straightened out, and point to the left, or a bit of an angle upwards. But his final position is completely backwards in a cross position as if he fell straight back.

He could have bled internally, and I'll get to the possible body double of the shooter, but given how much blood was in the pictures of the shooter, it is odd that there is not one drop of visible blood around the ambassador. If he fell straight back, it should have pooled at least a tiny bit under or around him, or be visible soaking into the back of his clothes. And if he rolled a bit from his initial position to his final position, it would also be reasonable that there would be at least tiny amounts of blood between to the two positions.

There's also the possible "directors", about 3-4 people who are around the corner of the wall and don't seem to be worried or panicked at all. There body language does not match what is happening. Someone has just been shot, and everyone else in the picture is trying to get to cover, kind of around the corner with some still in light of sight of the shooter. All of them are cowering down, crouched, hands up for some in a bit of a protective stance. None of them are standing straight, and they all looked worried. And then there is this anomaly of 3-4 people who are all the way pas the corner, and they are all standing completely straight, good posture, arms at their sides or seemingly holding equipment. They are looking at the people that are cowering or crouched, but they have zero reaction, not looking around at anything, standing there seemingly calm and not at all in the same state of distress that everyone else is in.

This picture has the ambassador and these people in the frame, from a position past the ambassador's podium and farther to the left of it, as if from the top right corner of the room if facing the podium.

Then there is the shooter's hands. They appear to be photoshopped in several pictures. When pointing up and down, his finger seems unnaturally long, This could obviously just be a long finger, but it seems almost a third longer than it should be. Even if his finger isn't photoshopped, it appears that his hand is in two other images (one might be the same as the pointing one). It appears that he has 6 fingers, that it is an image of a closed fist with an extra long index finger pasted onto it. When you space out the fingers on his hand, if he only has five fingers, then his pinkie or ring finger end up being twice as thick as any of the other fingers.

In another image with him holding the pistol, it appears that he is cupping one hand in the other, as if playing rock paper scissors, and the gun seems to be photoshopped behind the hands instead of within one hand with the other cupping it.

The shooter also appears different than the last picture of him shot, other than just the skin color, which does appear darker without the rest of the image darkening, but like you said, that could be blood loss (but again that makes me wonder why there wasn't a single drop of visible blood anywhere around or on the ambassador).

But putting the skin color/shade aside, the hairline, eyebrows and sideburns don't seem to match up exactly between the pictures of the dead shooter and when he is still alive. The hairline looks just slightly different if a few spots, as well as the flair of his eyebrows. But his sideburn is the one that changes the most. In the earlier pictures, his left sidburn curves on the inside corner over his ear without touching it, and goes down to just above the lobe of his ear. It is fairly thin and long, a bit flat, and looks more like a rectangle with the one inside curve.

In the picture of the dead shooter, though at a different angle, the sideburn appears to be shoter and wider, and a bit bushier. The inside curve is slightly different, and when you rotate and put the images side by side, even at different angles, you can see that the sideburn in the second imaged doesn't reach down to the same physical part of the ear as the first one. You can see this by looking at the inside lobe and structure of the ear. It's not much, but it is visible.

After all of this, there was a funeral ceremony. Soldiers were carrying his casket. In close up images and videos of this, you can see that the front two soldiers are holding the casket up with their fingers curled in a fist. There is a visible gap of air between their fingers and their hand, so the weight of the coffin would be entirely or mostly on their fingers and not on their palm or entire hand. If the ambassador's body was in the coffin, and as you say and I have acknowledged, he is fairly large and heavy, yet they appear to be holding up the coffin with just their fingers curled over with visible air gaps between their fingers and their hands. This wouldn't really be feasible or practical if his body were in the coffin, especially for maintaining their grip on the casket, which also seems to come into play in the next few moments, As they come forward to place the coffin on some sort of table, they seem to bobble it for a moment as they lower it. In video and repeating gifs of this moment, you can see the coffin quickly move up and down before they regain complete control over it, and it seems as if the coffin is empty, as it wouldn't move in the same with if it were weighed down by the ambassador's body. It looks like an empty box just shaking for a moment.

Aside from all of the above, there is also some occultish symbology throughout. This obviously doesn't add as much to the case as anything above does, but the ambassador's body is in a crucifix position, the shooter points up and down at the same time (as above, so below), and the dead body has the leg curled over in a 4, like the hangman or joker card, I can't recall which right now. Like I said, this isn't nearly as tied to center of this case as the rest of the above is.

And in the end, there's the question as to why this was deleted multiple times, and why I was shadow banned without receiving the normal temporary/permanent ban message, and why the question wasn't allowed to remain in the thread, unanswered or not.

Sorry for the length, I'm just trying to get all the details in.

edit: Once more, I'm going to add this to the end of my post so it's all in once place, sorry for the excessive length and repetition.

edit 2: Never mind, I'm getting an error message when I try to add it in, probably because of the length.

shieldxsword ago

I've been present at shootings where people got hit and died. They don't die right away. They also, hit the ground, in shock, move a bit, say crazy things. It's not a video game where someone just drops down done. Clothes can soak a lot of blood, and the bullet might have to be dislodged from the wound cavity internally before it starts pouring out. This guy is fat as fuck, remember, and edipose tissue doesn't bleed much.

Can you tell I've been in shootings?

and it seems as if the coffin is empty

You have confirmation bias. You don't know if its empty. In fact, a few

3-4 directors? Why would they need that many? Those people could be in shock. Or they could have not been able to determine if the gun shots were gunshots or say - a large object in an art gallery falling over - and that the fat dude had a heart attack. My first shooting, i knew what was going on, but the three people with me thought stuff was breaking or cars were hitting each other about a block away. NOPE. 45 caliber bullets were flying.

Why would they imbue a crime scene with occult immagery? That makes zero sense. The guy is shot, but he's not done moving, or rather, the muscles aren't done contracting to their position of least resistence. There's zero reason, outside fictional books, to encode imagery. This person was shot. I saw a woman shot in the back a few times. She rolled over and her arms did the same thing.

You realize this guy had an OPEN CASKET FUNERAL in front of his family, the Russian media, leaders of Russia, including Putin?

sirylj ago

I've been present at shootings where people got hit and died. They don't die right away. They also, hit the ground, in shock, move a bit, say crazy things. It's not a video game where someone just drops down done. Clothes can soak a lot of blood, and the bullet might have to be dislodged from the wound cavity internally before it starts pouring out. This guy is fat as fuck, remember, and edipose tissue doesn't bleed much.

As with the other two that have brought up similar points, I agree that these are all very possible, but like with all of these events, it is the number of things that seem out of place added together that lead to the impression that it is a hoax or false flag, not any one piece.

Can you tell I've been in shootings?

Of course, I can tell everything about someone from a few lines of text!

You have confirmation bias. You don't know if its empty. In fact, a few

Did this get cut off? Watch the video of the carrying and lowering the coffin. They have obvious gaps between their hands and the coffin, and their fingers are curled over with space between the fingers and the palm. The way the coffin moves when it is being lowered also looks like it is just an empty box.

Of course, they could have just been using an empty coffin for the ceremony for whatever reason.

3-4 directors? Why would they need that many? Those people could be in shock. Or they could have not been able to determine if the gun shots were gunshots or say - a large object in an art gallery falling over - and that the fat dude had a heart attack. My first shooting, i knew what was going on, but the three people with me thought stuff was breaking or cars were hitting each other about a block away. NOPE. 45 caliber bullets were flying.

All true. Again, the wording I used seems to be throwing people off, but that was the impression I got from see them standing around the corner. It doesn't mean that they were, but it reminded me of a filming set with people watching others act, that's all. Also, at that point, the man had very clearly been shot several times and the shooter was clearly holding his gun for everyone to see and shouting and pacing around. There was enough time for everyone else to move to this area and be crouched and in general panicked, yet these 3 or 4 people are just standing like statues. Again, it isn't definitive proof of anything, it just seems out of place.

Why would they imbue a crime scene with occult immagery? That makes zero sense.

Neither does faking or hoaxing any of these kind of events, yet many of them seem to point to this conclusion. Sacrificing "chickens" in your backyard to Moloch also doesn't make much sense, yet apparently that's what some people do. If they were adding symbology to events like this, part of the reason for doing so would simply be to make it seem so crazy that people wouldn't believe it, or cast any people that find what seem to be these symbols and patterns as just crazy.

The guy is shot, but he's not done moving, or rather, the muscles aren't done contracting to their position of least resistence.

The first and last positions he ends up in don't seem very likely, but again it is still possible. You can also look at the video of when the shooter is pacing back and forth, and when comparing it to the images of the shooter, you can see that there is an image of the shooter where he is closer to the body than he ever gets in the video (kind of near the triangle that would be made from the body's arm and torso), so that's just another inconsistency that isn't easily explained.

There's zero reason, outside fictional books, to encode imagery.

That just assumes the reasoning behind the people that would encode such imagery. There's been occult symbology and imagery implanted in various religions, events, architecture, literature, art, etc. throughout our history, so it's simply not fiction in that sense. I'm not talking about Divinci Code clues.

This person was shot. I saw a woman shot in the back a few times. She rolled over and her arms did the same thing.

Again, all of these details are possible, but it is the number of them together that give the impression of this being more than it seems.

You realize this guy had an OPEN CASKET FUNERAL in front of his family, the Russian media, leaders of Russia, including Putin?

Fake body, fake coffin, fake Putin, fake Russia, fake continent, Everything's fake.

That was obviously a joke.

I'm not saying that this entire event didn't happen (though I have pointed out parts that seem to be faked, and I have used the word "hoax" when saying it is a possible "false flag hoax"), but this event might not be what it is being portrayed as. This could have been something planned to trigger other events. I would again tie in the part of occult symbology. There is seemingly no reason for anyone to add in clues like this that could be identified by people examining the evidence, but there are several parts that I've pointed out about the shooter himself in the images that don't seem to add up (possible photoshop, body double, etc.). Like I said, beyond assuming the reasoning behind why the kind of psychopathic people that would be able/willing to do this would do this, the only other obvious reason I would come to is that it is to cast people that identify these signs as crazy.

So there's some more of my ramblings about this. Again, nothing is definitive about any of this of course, but I'm not ready to just write it off and go by the official narrative just yet. Besides, that's just what the lizard people would want.

And thanks for at least entertaining this enough to respond to it.

sirylj ago

I've been posting about back and forth, latest archives of my user page:

https://archive.fo/HE6ka

https://web.archive.org/web/20170223041535/https://www.reddit.com/user/sirylj

sirylj ago

I'm cross posting about this in other places right now. Here's a more detailed breakdown of what happened that I just posted elsewhere.

Here's what happened:

I made part of the post in advance to post it as soon as the Alex Jones AMA started. It got about 30 upvotes, and someone made a comment under it asking if it was CIA. I responded with the six points I posted here and in other posts (and on my user page) going over why I think the evidence points to the Ankara assassination being a false flag hoax. (I original became aware of this from someone on YouTube who made videos breaking it down. I saved them, but they were later deleted. I have the videos and pictures, but the pictures and raw video are still available online, I just have the breakdown that the person made.)

After I made the second comment with the six points, I added it to the first comment so it was all in one place.

The comment got 39 upvotes, and then someone made a comment saying it was deleted. It was still showing up for me, so I checked it in a private mode browser, and it was deleted, along with the second one. I commented about it to that person and a few others I had just responded to earlier. One of them PM'd me to say it had been deleted.

I then reposted the comment with the beginning and the six points, prefaced with the fact that it had been deleted. I checked the comment in a private browser again right after making it, and it was already deleted.

I did this about 3 more times (five deleted in all, counting the original one I edited and the follow up that I added to it), each time adding at the top the number of times it had been deleted and the number of the attempt.

I also made a couple other comments about the deletions, with links to archives of my user page using Archive.is. These comments weren't deleted immediately.

After the fifth comment, and 2-3 other comments about this, I started to make a post outside of the AMA about this. But before I could post it, I got a error message that I couldn't post here. I checked, and the submit buttons were gone, and when I refreshed the submit page, it said I "forbidden (reddit.com)". I messaged the mods about this right before I tried to post the comment.

I made a AnkaraAssassination sub to post the comment in to make sure other mods can't mess with it. I made a post in /v/identitarian on Voat because I already had a page open there. When I tried to add the archive links of my post, I realized they were DELETED.

I had made about FIVE archives of my user page throughout this, and they were ALL deleted. I've archived the page since then and they are still up right now. I then made the post here, in AnkaraAssassination and BannedFromThe_Donald.

And here we are.

TL;DR comments were deleted, shadow banned, then archives were deleted somehow

sirylj ago

That's what I was doing for months, and then I stopped saving them because it the time added up and I just used the online archivers. Definitely going back to saving .mhtml pages.

sirylj ago

That would definitely send him a message, but just typing "spez:" or "spez'd" has simply been a meta joke on The_Donald when editing posts. It's been like that for so long, I don't think that was the reason why the comments were deleted and why I was shadow banned. What's weirdest to me is that about five archives at Archive.is of my user page were missing.

sirylj ago

spez is used in The_Donald in nearly every thread. It's literally the name of the edit button and how people write edit.