So I did some reading today, and noticed that several news outlets are stating that the Ukrainian Airline was caught in the crossfire of the Iranians and the U.S> WTF!!!!??? How can there be crossfire when the U.S. did not shoot back?!! Why was a commercial airline taking off during a turbulent time in the region, especially when the country your taking off from, is firing missiles?! I personally think that they were trying to set this up to blame the U.S. for the downing of aircraft because they thought we would fire back. Maybe that is why the Iranians are not giving the black box to Boeing.... I think this crash was to set up the U.S., but it backfired..... Fake news at it's best......!!! Crossfire......???
moderator99 ago
Sauce please.
solo7 ago
All air traffic was stopped during the intended attack period. If they deny it, then they were stupid and negligent. Check the time of the attacks and the time of the crash. The plane that crashed had even been delayed an hour longer. Gotta call the media on this. They're trying to create a war because they hate Trump and America.
Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi said he received notification from Iran just after midnight that its retaliation “was starting or would start soon” and would focus only on U.S. positions. The militaries of Finland and Lithuania, which had personnel at one of the targeted bases, said they received information about an imminent attack and had time to move to shelters or leave the base.
The U.S. Federation Aviation Administration earlier warned of a "potential for miscalculation or mis-identification" for civilian aircraft in the Persian Gulf. The agency barred U.S. carriers from flying over areas of Iraqi, Iranian and some Persian Gulf countries.
Iran’s Revolutionary Guard warned the U.S. and its allies against retaliating over the missile attack.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/world/iran-strikes-back-us/HGFBUCF3GNHOR3357YVNZF5XHQ/
Awokcanuck ago
Was commercial air traffic stopped during this time? Were other flights coming and going?
The_Real_Wahrheit ago
X22 discussed this in some depth last PM, 1/9.
Publius1778 ago
sounds like they were both shooting at the plane, lol.
apparently there may have been black site operators on it, scientists from the UI atomic site.
Remember all nations shut down commercial flights during this time. This flight never should or would have let the ground if it was a NORMAL flight. It was not a normal commercial flight.
IAMthePie ago
I'm thinking that something went wrong in their plan to shoot down the airliner and blame the US to start WW3.....or a high value Target was on the plane, and the rest of the people were collateral damage.
0369Retired ago
What most likely happened is this (my theory): Takeoff of commercial plane delayed due to missile attack to keep the missiles from hitting the aircraft. Then, in anticipation of U.S. counterstrike from the air (bombing from USAF), the Iranians turned on their anti-air defense systems to intercept potential U.S. aircraft. Ukrainian commercial plane cleared for takeoff and the AA systems targeted the commercial plane and took it down.
The hole in my theory is this: the Ukrainian passenger jet had to be the first to takeoff after the missile launches were completed. If not, then this jet had to be targeted or someone in the Iranian military neglected to stop the AA systems from targeting the commercial jet.
Secret_1 ago
Odd this happens just as soon as an enormous amount of child porn is reportedly found on the Ukrainian Server...
Cheetah1964 ago
There's info on Gateway Pundit on this from their source inside Iran.
kydeplorable ago
take a closer look at the photos provided by MSM/Iran. Where are the seats? You mean all 200+ have already been cleaned up? Check out the size of the engine and then research the engine and note size. Don't even come close. Not saying there wasn't a plane crash or anything of the sort. What I am saying is that the story being told in the media about the plane type is total BS. Same thing with the plane downed in Ethiopia.
singlebrain1 ago
Many scientists on board. Iranian canadians. Those on board were desperate to leave. Canada was the middle man in U1. Ukraine was shopping weapons to Iran. Only question is white or black hat op? Watch Trudumb.
GumbyTM ago
'Crossfire' what you call it when we/israel gets caught shooting down a civilian airliner to start a war.
stray502 ago
Dont know what news you watched but the news today in Canada said the plane was hit by an Iranian missile.
bk1978 ago
Don't watch the news brother, I just check up on it to see what they are saying on how they lie. CNN, and NBC both posted that it was hit by a Iranian missile, but was caught in the crossfire between the U.S. and Iran. Catch my drift.....?
MuckeyDuck ago
Yea, I don't think it's crossfire unless the fire from one side, crosses the fire from the other. That is why they call it Crossfire.
VitGet ago
Lol my mother in law said its trump's fault that Iran blasted that plane. Poor woman
bk1978 ago
My condolences to you my good patriot...
Awakened-1 ago
Agreed
VirtuousPatience ago
My crazy theory...
The names on the manifest that are “Canadian” are all Muslim names. They are muslim names because they are not actually Canadian. They were gifted Canadian passports by the deep state. These were Iranian traitors that were hightailing it out for amnesty in Canada with fake passports.
Prove me wrong, show all those Canadians were actually Canadians. Trudeau sold fake citizenship for deep state favors.
Iran flipped to the white hats and killed the traitors.
oaf ago
TRUE!!! ALL of them!
Most with curated older passports were travelers, and bi-national. A few were fresh "bought" passports.
Not one canadian that died was non-muslim or non-Mossad.
refer to my fresh news list of 80 ! :
https://voat.co/v/news/3602065
Gracefxdl ago
CrossfireBackfire
ChiCom ago
It's hard to remain calm when you know our lives mean less than the truth does to those with power over us.
Hortance ago
God is in charge of what happens to us. I can live with it.
MuckeyDuck ago
You and I are worth less than the lint in their belly button.
VirtuousPatience ago
So true
Smells_Like_Tacos ago
Because the black box has evidence of the pilot turning back and voice recording of the cockpit radioing the air port about being hit by a rocket/missile.
They have to hide the evidence. Are we that dumb? We all have seen thus before. Black boxes burned up but paper passports were found. Were did that happen? It's not my first day niggers.
bk1978 ago
Evidence indeed!!! These people are sick....The truth will be told!! WWG1WGA!!!
Cloudrdr ago
How many "Canadians" with Islamic names were on that plane?
Where can one travel on a Canadian passport?
How many of Soleimani's henchmen were on that plane, heading out into the world?
How SERIOUS are Ruhani and Khomenei about casting off their nation's shackles?
(just heard a call to a friend reporting eminent deployment cancelled.)
It's a movie.
Better by far than any others that get made.
oaf ago
How many WERE NOT muslim would be a shorter list.
Eighty so-called "CANADIAN CITIZENS"! Full list :
Mojtaba Abbasnezhad, 26, Toronto.
Iman Aghabali, 28, Hamilton.
Fareed Arasteh, 32
Arshia Arbabbahrami, Calgary.
Evin Arsalani, 30, Ajax Ontario
Hiva Molani, 38, Ajax Ontario
Kurdia Molani, 1, Ajax Ontario
Mohammad Asadi Lari, 23, Toronto
Zeynab Asadi Lari, 21, of Toronto
Ghanimat Azhdari, Guelph
Shekoufeh Choupannejad, Edmonton
Saba Saadat, 21, Edmonton
Sara Saadat, 23, Edmonton
Delaram Dadashnejad, 26, Vancouver
Asgar Dhirani, 74, Toronto
Behnaz Ebrahimi, 45, Toronto.
Mansour Esnaashary Esfahani, 29, Waterloo
Parisa Eghbalian, 42, Aurora, Ontario
Reera Esmaeilion, 9, Aurora, Ontario
Mehdi Eshaghian, student, Hamilton
Harieh Faghihi, 58, Halifax
Faezeh (Fran) Falsafi, 46, Richmond Hill, Ontario
Shakiba Feghahati, 39
Rosstin Moghaddam, 10
Marzieh (Mari) Foroutan, 37, Waterloo, Ontario
Iman Ghaderpanah, 34
Parinaz Ghaderpanah, 33, Quebec
Siavash Ghafouri-Azar, 35, Quebec
Amirhossien Ghasemi, Manitoba
Milad Ghasemi Ariani, Guelph
Mahdieh Ghassemi, 38
Arsan Niazi, 11
Arnica Niazi, 8
Suzan Golbabapour, 49, Richmond Hill, Ontario
Sahar Haghjoo, 37, Toronto (refugee interview coach)
Elsa Jadidi, 8
Bahareh Hajesfandiari, 41, Winnipeg
Mirmohammad Sadeghi, 43, Winnipeg
Anisa Sadeghi, 10, Winnipeg
Ardalan Ebnoddin Hamidi, 48, Vancouver
Niloufar Razzaghi, 45,Vancouver
Kamyar Ebnoddin Hamidi, 15, Vancouver
Saeed Kashani, 30, Ottawa
Forough Khadem, 38, Winnipeg
Fatemeh Mahmoodi, 31, Halifax.
Maryam Malek, 41, Halifax
Mohammad Moeini, 35, Valcourt, Quebec
Arvin Morattab, 37, Saint-Bruno, Quebec
Aida Farzaneh, Saint-Bruno, Quebec
Pedram Mousavi, 47, Edmonton
Mojgan Daneshmand, 43, Edmonton
Daria Mousavi, 14, Edmonton
Dorina Mousavi, 9, Edmonton
Farzaneh Naderi, 38, Winnipeg
Nozhan Sadr, 11, Winnipeg
Zahra Naghibi, 44, Windsor
Milad Nahavandi, 34, London, Canada
Alma Oladi, Ottawa
Alireza (Ali) Pey, 47, Ottawa
Mansour Pourjam, 53, Ottawa
Naser Pourshabanoshibi, 53, North Vancouver
Firouzeh Madani, 54, North Vancouver
Arash Pourzarabi, 26, Edmonton
Pouneh Gorji, 25, Edmonton
Razgar Rahimi, 38, Oshawa, Ontario
Farideh Gholami, Oshawa, Ontario
Jiwan Rahimi, 3, Oshawa, Ontario
Nasim Rahmanifar, Edmonton
Niloufar Sadr, 61, political activist to promote open borders, Montreal
Mohsen Salahi, 31, Toronto
Mahsa Amirliravi, 30, Toronto
Mohammad Saket, 33, North Vancouver
Fatemah Kazerani, 32, North Vancouver
Mohammad Salehe, 32, Toronto
Hamidreza Setareh, 31, Windsor
Samira Bashiri, 29, Windsor
Sheyda Shadkhoo, 41, Markham, Ontario
Afifa Tarbhai, 55, Toronto
Alina Tarbhai, 31, Toronto
Maya Zibaie, 15, Toronto
Fun Fact #1 : Any not listed are probably official spies.
Fun Fact #2 : Some listed above will be Israeli Mossad Spies, as many books on Mossad state that Mossad exclusively uses CANADIAN passport spies in Iran.
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Cloudrdr ago
Got to imagine as well that many of those were innocently trying to get out if a war were brewing. But still....
Hortance ago
YUP. Reports are 35 or so Soleimani hatchet men were rounded up today....THATS why a planeload was getting out of Dodge and why they were shot down.
bk1978 ago
Amen!!!
angelCole ago
Heyyy.. is that a question? I do like very much what you are thinking, in this direction.
Lurker17 ago
Fake news. We didn't fire any sams. Video of the explosion in flight looks like a missile. Shrapnel damage to the wings and elsewhere indicate a missile. Missile parts in the debris field indicate a Russian made missile. What is "real" is still up for debate.
Blowing something up and blaming us, that does fit their SOP.
Deflo56 ago
Someone mistook the 737 for a C130 on radar. Paranoia by Iranians who have been dumbed down for generations made them pull the trigger.
mac1221 ago
Other air traffic in flight at the same time. Why that plane? Bad actors trying to get out? Soleimani operatives rounded up? Hummmm?
coulditbe4Q ago
...that would be the Occam's razor approach to this. And may simply be the case. However there are some interesting thoughts on this thread to consider.
MuckeyDuck ago
Anything to the possibility that he missiles systems were set to automatically launch on anything that it perceived as incoming. Man I feel sorry for those passengers flying with an airline that didn't use more sense than to take off during a time of such heightened tensions too!. Was it just business as usual. Seems like the captain would have called the generals at least and said, "Hey guys, I'm getting ready to take off. If you see something up in the sky, it's me, headed that-a-way there.
DC92T ago
I thought the same way, how could a pilot fly if he wasn't 100% convinced he would be safe?? If it happened that way, it was a suicide or a murder...
Hortance ago
No way. The plane was ascending and coming out of the civilian airport that was essentially next door to the missile site.
littlestown ago
Flight traffic was heavy at this time, it was all planed Iran was saving face and the plane was full of bad actors, Iran took them out with a missile.
Annie99 ago
I saw it reported that because they were supposed to be Russian missiles that took it down it must have been them. Deep State players more like.
Qackerjak ago
Don't listen or read anything published by the mainstream media.who blame America and Trump, for everything. I also think it was either a set-up to blame us, or an assassination of someone on board.
QPilledLib ago
How do you understand your enemy if you just close your eyes and cover your ears to them?
dasmahkitteh ago
Deliberately reading propaganda does nothing to further your understanding of the situation and serves only to confuse/enrage
Lingon ago
Gotta keep a balance and not let it enrage. Let it be educational. Knowing the enemy, where they are moving their troops, what tactics they use, in military science it is to "become" the enemy. This can give profound realizations on how to "defeat" their narrative.
QPilledLib ago
Only if you are weak minded.
bk1978 ago
Actually, I don't listen or read anything from the mainstream media and believe it. My point is how ridiculous they have become spreading fake news!!!
AndyMan_45 ago
I know the US has some really nice kike weapons but I'm not so sure about a surface to air missile with a 901.8 KM range.
Maybe that's what Trump was bragging about...
amarQ144 ago
nah...they assassinated someone leaving Iran with something...maybe a thumb drive. Hard to say, but not likely an accident. They fired multiple missiles to take it down just to be sure. This is for keeps.
imacoffeeaddict ago
This.
L743K ago
My thoughts exactly.
eronburr ago
Either that or it's a false flag to make Iran look irresponsible and lose world wide support in retaliation. I can imagine US doing it to prevent Iran from getting any UN support.
amarQ144 ago
they were flushed out...ds only had a few options, none good...and Iranian incompetence makes for pretty good plausible deniability... collateral damage is way down the priorities list...oroboro
Hortance ago
No way. Irans leadership announced to Hezbollah today that they consider the hostilities to be over....they may have shot the plane down, but not to screw the US.
eronburr ago
Nothing you wrote disputes what I wrote. I literally said it wasn't Iran but likely someone making a false flag in their name.
Hortance ago
yeah, I guess you're right on that. Its starting to look more like it is somehow more associated with a purge of Soleimani loyalists.
I think the purge that is underway starts to make the theory that there's some coordination between Trump and Iranian leadership more likely. Iranian potentates uncomfortable with Soleimani's power and influence give info to the US to get him, then get to rage against the act for the purpose of avoiding recriminations at home.....
eronburr ago
I just read a rumor about how Israel might have had access to/hacked Iran surface2air missile launch systems.
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Commahorror ago
Or it’s just a pathetic and tragic attempt to push, for a war.
Chuckboyer2016 ago
One of the two yes, so we wait for the 24-48 hour rule and see what perculates to the top, and we hopefully have the picture.