moderator99 ago

Sauce please.

solo7 ago

All air traffic was stopped during the intended attack period. If they deny it, then they were stupid and negligent. Check the time of the attacks and the time of the crash. The plane that crashed had even been delayed an hour longer. Gotta call the media on this. They're trying to create a war because they hate Trump and America.

Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi said he received notification from Iran just after midnight that its retaliation “was starting or would start soon” and would focus only on U.S. positions. The militaries of Finland and Lithuania, which had personnel at one of the targeted bases, said they received information about an imminent attack and had time to move to shelters or leave the base.

The U.S. Federation Aviation Administration earlier warned of a "potential for miscalculation or mis-identification" for civilian aircraft in the Persian Gulf. The agency barred U.S. carriers from flying over areas of Iraqi, Iranian and some Persian Gulf countries.

Iran’s Revolutionary Guard warned the U.S. and its allies against retaliating over the missile attack.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/world/iran-strikes-back-us/HGFBUCF3GNHOR3357YVNZF5XHQ/

Awokcanuck ago

Was commercial air traffic stopped during this time? Were other flights coming and going?

The_Real_Wahrheit ago

X22 discussed this in some depth last PM, 1/9.

Publius1778 ago

sounds like they were both shooting at the plane, lol.

apparently there may have been black site operators on it, scientists from the UI atomic site.

Remember all nations shut down commercial flights during this time. This flight never should or would have let the ground if it was a NORMAL flight. It was not a normal commercial flight.

IAMthePie ago

I'm thinking that something went wrong in their plan to shoot down the airliner and blame the US to start WW3.....or a high value Target was on the plane, and the rest of the people were collateral damage.

0369Retired ago

What most likely happened is this (my theory): Takeoff of commercial plane delayed due to missile attack to keep the missiles from hitting the aircraft. Then, in anticipation of U.S. counterstrike from the air (bombing from USAF), the Iranians turned on their anti-air defense systems to intercept potential U.S. aircraft. Ukrainian commercial plane cleared for takeoff and the AA systems targeted the commercial plane and took it down.

The hole in my theory is this: the Ukrainian passenger jet had to be the first to takeoff after the missile launches were completed. If not, then this jet had to be targeted or someone in the Iranian military neglected to stop the AA systems from targeting the commercial jet.

Secret_1 ago

Odd this happens just as soon as an enormous amount of child porn is reportedly found on the Ukrainian Server...

Cheetah1964 ago

There's info on Gateway Pundit on this from their source inside Iran.

kydeplorable ago

take a closer look at the photos provided by MSM/Iran. Where are the seats? You mean all 200+ have already been cleaned up? Check out the size of the engine and then research the engine and note size. Don't even come close. Not saying there wasn't a plane crash or anything of the sort. What I am saying is that the story being told in the media about the plane type is total BS. Same thing with the plane downed in Ethiopia.

singlebrain1 ago

Many scientists on board. Iranian canadians. Those on board were desperate to leave. Canada was the middle man in U1. Ukraine was shopping weapons to Iran. Only question is white or black hat op? Watch Trudumb.

GumbyTM ago

'Crossfire' what you call it when we/israel gets caught shooting down a civilian airliner to start a war.

stray502 ago

Dont know what news you watched but the news today in Canada said the plane was hit by an Iranian missile.

bk1978 ago

Don't watch the news brother, I just check up on it to see what they are saying on how they lie. CNN, and NBC both posted that it was hit by a Iranian missile, but was caught in the crossfire between the U.S. and Iran. Catch my drift.....?

MuckeyDuck ago

Yea, I don't think it's crossfire unless the fire from one side, crosses the fire from the other. That is why they call it Crossfire.

VitGet ago

Lol my mother in law said its trump's fault that Iran blasted that plane. Poor woman

bk1978 ago

My condolences to you my good patriot...

Awakened-1 ago

Agreed

VirtuousPatience ago

My crazy theory...

The names on the manifest that are “Canadian” are all Muslim names. They are muslim names because they are not actually Canadian. They were gifted Canadian passports by the deep state. These were Iranian traitors that were hightailing it out for amnesty in Canada with fake passports.

Prove me wrong, show all those Canadians were actually Canadians. Trudeau sold fake citizenship for deep state favors.

Iran flipped to the white hats and killed the traitors.

oaf ago

TRUE!!! ALL of them!

The names on the manifest that are “Canadian” are all Muslim names

Most with curated older passports were travelers, and bi-national. A few were fresh "bought" passports.

Not one canadian that died was non-muslim or non-Mossad.

refer to my fresh news list of 80 ! :

https://voat.co/v/news/3602065

Gracefxdl ago

Crossfire

Backfire

ChiCom ago

It's hard to remain calm when you know our lives mean less than the truth does to those with power over us.

Hortance ago

God is in charge of what happens to us. I can live with it.

MuckeyDuck ago

You and I are worth less than the lint in their belly button.

VirtuousPatience ago

So true

Smells_Like_Tacos ago

Because the black box has evidence of the pilot turning back and voice recording of the cockpit radioing the air port about being hit by a rocket/missile.

They have to hide the evidence. Are we that dumb? We all have seen thus before. Black boxes burned up but paper passports were found. Were did that happen? It's not my first day niggers.

bk1978 ago

Evidence indeed!!! These people are sick....The truth will be told!! WWG1WGA!!!

Cloudrdr ago

How many "Canadians" with Islamic names were on that plane?

Where can one travel on a Canadian passport?

How many of Soleimani's henchmen were on that plane, heading out into the world?

How SERIOUS are Ruhani and Khomenei about casting off their nation's shackles?

(just heard a call to a friend reporting eminent deployment cancelled.)

It's a movie.

Better by far than any others that get made.

oaf ago

How many "Canadians" with Islamic names were on that plane?

How many WERE NOT muslim would be a shorter list.

Eighty so-called "CANADIAN CITIZENS"! Full list :

Mojtaba Abbasnezhad, 26, Toronto.

Iman Aghabali, 28, Hamilton.

Fareed Arasteh, 32

Arshia Arbabbahrami, Calgary.

Evin Arsalani, 30, Ajax Ontario

Hiva Molani, 38, Ajax Ontario

Kurdia Molani, 1, Ajax Ontario

Mohammad Asadi Lari, 23, Toronto

Zeynab Asadi Lari, 21, of Toronto

Ghanimat Azhdari, Guelph

Shekoufeh Choupannejad, Edmonton

Saba Saadat, 21, Edmonton

Sara Saadat, 23, Edmonton

Delaram Dadashnejad, 26, Vancouver

Asgar Dhirani, 74, Toronto

Behnaz Ebrahimi, 45, Toronto.

Mansour Esnaashary Esfahani, 29, Waterloo

Parisa Eghbalian, 42, Aurora, Ontario

Reera Esmaeilion, 9, Aurora, Ontario

Mehdi Eshaghian, student, Hamilton

Harieh Faghihi, 58, Halifax

Faezeh (Fran) Falsafi, 46, Richmond Hill, Ontario

Shakiba Feghahati, 39

Rosstin Moghaddam, 10

Marzieh (Mari) Foroutan, 37, Waterloo, Ontario

Iman Ghaderpanah, 34

Parinaz Ghaderpanah, 33, Quebec

Siavash Ghafouri-Azar, 35, Quebec

Amirhossien Ghasemi, Manitoba

Milad Ghasemi Ariani, Guelph

Mahdieh Ghassemi, 38

Arsan Niazi, 11

Arnica Niazi, 8

Suzan Golbabapour, 49, Richmond Hill, Ontario

Sahar Haghjoo, 37, Toronto (refugee interview coach)

Elsa Jadidi, 8

Bahareh Hajesfandiari, 41, Winnipeg

Mirmohammad Sadeghi, 43, Winnipeg

Anisa Sadeghi, 10, Winnipeg

Ardalan Ebnoddin Hamidi, 48, Vancouver

Niloufar Razzaghi, 45,Vancouver

Kamyar Ebnoddin Hamidi, 15, Vancouver

Saeed Kashani, 30, Ottawa

Forough Khadem, 38, Winnipeg

Fatemeh Mahmoodi, 31, Halifax.

Maryam Malek, 41, Halifax

Mohammad Moeini, 35, Valcourt, Quebec

Arvin Morattab, 37, Saint-Bruno, Quebec

Aida Farzaneh, Saint-Bruno, Quebec

Pedram Mousavi, 47, Edmonton

Mojgan Daneshmand, 43, Edmonton

Daria Mousavi, 14, Edmonton

Dorina Mousavi, 9, Edmonton

Farzaneh Naderi, 38, Winnipeg

Nozhan Sadr, 11, Winnipeg

Zahra Naghibi, 44, Windsor

Milad Nahavandi, 34, London, Canada

Alma Oladi, Ottawa

Alireza (Ali) Pey, 47, Ottawa

Mansour Pourjam, 53, Ottawa

Naser Pourshabanoshibi, 53, North Vancouver

Firouzeh Madani, 54, North Vancouver

Arash Pourzarabi, 26, Edmonton

Pouneh Gorji, 25, Edmonton

Razgar Rahimi, 38, Oshawa, Ontario

Farideh Gholami, Oshawa, Ontario

Jiwan Rahimi, 3, Oshawa, Ontario

Nasim Rahmanifar, Edmonton

Niloufar Sadr, 61, political activist to promote open borders, Montreal

Mohsen Salahi, 31, Toronto

Mahsa Amirliravi, 30, Toronto

Mohammad Saket, 33, North Vancouver

Fatemah Kazerani, 32, North Vancouver

Mohammad Salehe, 32, Toronto

Hamidreza Setareh, 31, Windsor

Samira Bashiri, 29, Windsor

Sheyda Shadkhoo, 41, Markham, Ontario

Afifa Tarbhai, 55, Toronto

Alina Tarbhai, 31, Toronto

Maya Zibaie, 15, Toronto

Fun Fact #1 : Any not listed are probably official spies.

Fun Fact #2 : Some listed above will be Israeli Mossad Spies, as many books on Mossad state that Mossad exclusively uses CANADIAN passport spies in Iran.

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Cloudrdr ago

Got to imagine as well that many of those were innocently trying to get out if a war were brewing. But still....

Hortance ago

YUP. Reports are 35 or so Soleimani hatchet men were rounded up today....THATS why a planeload was getting out of Dodge and why they were shot down.

bk1978 ago

Amen!!!

angelCole ago

Heyyy.. is that a question? I do like very much what you are thinking, in this direction.

Lurker17 ago

Fake news. We didn't fire any sams. Video of the explosion in flight looks like a missile. Shrapnel damage to the wings and elsewhere indicate a missile. Missile parts in the debris field indicate a Russian made missile. What is "real" is still up for debate.

Blowing something up and blaming us, that does fit their SOP.

Deflo56 ago

Someone mistook the 737 for a C130 on radar. Paranoia by Iranians who have been dumbed down for generations made them pull the trigger.

mac1221 ago

Other air traffic in flight at the same time. Why that plane? Bad actors trying to get out? Soleimani operatives rounded up? Hummmm?

coulditbe4Q ago

...that would be the Occam's razor approach to this. And may simply be the case. However there are some interesting thoughts on this thread to consider.

MuckeyDuck ago

Anything to the possibility that he missiles systems were set to automatically launch on anything that it perceived as incoming. Man I feel sorry for those passengers flying with an airline that didn't use more sense than to take off during a time of such heightened tensions too!. Was it just business as usual. Seems like the captain would have called the generals at least and said, "Hey guys, I'm getting ready to take off. If you see something up in the sky, it's me, headed that-a-way there.

DC92T ago

I thought the same way, how could a pilot fly if he wasn't 100% convinced he would be safe?? If it happened that way, it was a suicide or a murder...

Hortance ago

No way. The plane was ascending and coming out of the civilian airport that was essentially next door to the missile site.

littlestown ago

Flight traffic was heavy at this time, it was all planed Iran was saving face and the plane was full of bad actors, Iran took them out with a missile.

Annie99 ago

I saw it reported that because they were supposed to be Russian missiles that took it down it must have been them. Deep State players more like.

Qackerjak ago

Don't listen or read anything published by the mainstream media.who blame America and Trump, for everything. I also think it was either a set-up to blame us, or an assassination of someone on board.

QPilledLib ago

How do you understand your enemy if you just close your eyes and cover your ears to them?

dasmahkitteh ago

Deliberately reading propaganda does nothing to further your understanding of the situation and serves only to confuse/enrage

Lingon ago

Gotta keep a balance and not let it enrage. Let it be educational. Knowing the enemy, where they are moving their troops, what tactics they use, in military science it is to "become" the enemy. This can give profound realizations on how to "defeat" their narrative.

QPilledLib ago

Only if you are weak minded.

bk1978 ago

Actually, I don't listen or read anything from the mainstream media and believe it. My point is how ridiculous they have become spreading fake news!!!

AndyMan_45 ago

I know the US has some really nice kike weapons but I'm not so sure about a surface to air missile with a 901.8 KM range.

Maybe that's what Trump was bragging about...

amarQ144 ago

nah...they assassinated someone leaving Iran with something...maybe a thumb drive. Hard to say, but not likely an accident. They fired multiple missiles to take it down just to be sure. This is for keeps.

imacoffeeaddict ago

This.

L743K ago

My thoughts exactly.

eronburr ago

Either that or it's a false flag to make Iran look irresponsible and lose world wide support in retaliation. I can imagine US doing it to prevent Iran from getting any UN support.

amarQ144 ago

they were flushed out...ds only had a few options, none good...and Iranian incompetence makes for pretty good plausible deniability... collateral damage is way down the priorities list...oroboro

Hortance ago

No way. Irans leadership announced to Hezbollah today that they consider the hostilities to be over....they may have shot the plane down, but not to screw the US.

eronburr ago

Nothing you wrote disputes what I wrote. I literally said it wasn't Iran but likely someone making a false flag in their name.

Hortance ago

yeah, I guess you're right on that. Its starting to look more like it is somehow more associated with a purge of Soleimani loyalists.

I think the purge that is underway starts to make the theory that there's some coordination between Trump and Iranian leadership more likely. Iranian potentates uncomfortable with Soleimani's power and influence give info to the US to get him, then get to rage against the act for the purpose of avoiding recriminations at home.....

eronburr ago

I just read a rumor about how Israel might have had access to/hacked Iran surface2air missile launch systems.

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Commahorror ago

Or it’s just a pathetic and tragic attempt to push, for a war.

Chuckboyer2016 ago

One of the two yes, so we wait for the 24-48 hour rule and see what perculates to the top, and we hopefully have the picture.