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QDPie ago

Read the whole thing in one sitting (excluding some of the links and videos) Thank you. Will go back and re-read with some of the context added here - 6 hours. Stunning and very compelling information that has not been widely shared, though a lot of it really is there if you look. Warning - don't read that whole document in one sitting at night, especially if you don't have enough wine!

So... Random thoughts and observations.

1) This does not completely exonerate the prison camps nor the 3rd Reich. It simply says things weren't all that we were told.
2) The article answers some nagging questions I've had for decades. Where would they put all those bodies? That's a lot of ammunition to waste on prisoners in a war when the ammo is needed on the front lines. How big were those "ovens?" How long does it take to cremate that many people... because we had my dad cremated and it took hours.
3) The article has a level of propaganda to it as well. It generally ignores the uncomfortable truth of Man's Inhumanity to Man. That seems to be encoded in the human brain. Numerous studies done over the years have shown that humans will inflict pain and suffering - if it is a community norm; if it is generally accepted by their crowd; if they think they can get away with it. Witness our current situation in DC and Hollywood. If there is ever proof of that idea, it's in the blithe acceptance of child torture and rape, satanic sacrifice, the whole FBI/C_A spying on Trump, and the media bullshit surrounding it. Humans can be real POS and I'm sure there were those kinds in every army, in every prison, in every camp. Indeed, one of the most haunting photos of WW2 is this one https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/last-jew-vinnitsa-1941/

4) Re my comment in #3, while I realize the Stanford Prison Experiment had a lot of holes in it, there still were lessons to be learned about people pushing the limits. Just as in this study The Milgram experiment, where they shocked people more if told it was ok - https://explorable.com/stanley-milgram-experiment (Funny, when you read that article, you can see how the myths of the concentration camps were carried on as tangential examples to another story. This is how the media is running the "children in cages!!!!) mythology right now. Man, humans are a trip, aren't we?

5) My point here is that Joseph Mengele is not a myth and his horrific experiments are carried on now with little children. Our CIA did learn some things from Goebbels and the Dems and the Media are using those propaganda lessons to this day. But what we are reminded from the article that @srayzie shared is how evil the Brits and (as much as I hate to say it) the Americans were. Tromping on testicles and beating confessions out of people isn't ok no matter what. That's why I've always had a problem with the waterboarding thing, and why Abu Ghraib was so disturbing. Again - humans can be pure evil no matter what team they are playing for.

6) I know there are some who have heard first hand experiences from Corrie Ten Boom and Elie Wiesel. Who have taken the Anne Frank books to heart, and who have a hard time reconciling them. My takeaway from all of this is that both can be right. We can both believe and understand that these were prison camps and not extermination camps, AND hold the same view that there were some who suffered greatly at the hands of the Germans, and the Russians, and the Brits, and the US, and for good measure, the Japanese and Chinese.

7) Methinks we have people with legitimate horror stories in the camps, and people who were living a Hogans Heroes life there. (Kind of interesting to revisit that show now, yes?) Just as we have really good guys in the Border Patrol, some bad ones have been caught. Just as we have seen some very good treatment of those little kids at the border by some, I'm sure there have been cruel and horrible things that have happened to some. Schindler's list was very one sided. This deprogramming course is a little one sided. Yeah, they had swimming pools. YOU WERE STILL IN PRISON AND COULDN'T LEAVE. The Typhus explanation for the emaciated people makes a lot more sense than some other stories.

8) No matter how compelling this article is, there is still the fact that mass hysteria against one population was encouraged, aided, and abetted by a government and the media. That's a statement we can make throughout history. Humans are so screwed up that we see things today like the Ferguson Riots. We see completely unhinged Liberals with TDS going after MAGA hat wearers. There are pictures and a story below that Vinnitsa photo that pretty much say that. So people WERE executed. People were dragged from their homes. People WERE imprisoned. Mass hysteria was ginned up and fearful people made a lot of bad shit happen. All of those are truthful statements. It's sad that we have not come much further than cavemen in this respect. And it's demonic that certain parts of our society today and utilizing these fear tactics, lying in the media, and making good people fight each other over bullshit reasons.

These are just random thoughts that occurred as I was reading the article. I'm not surprised at the British especially. As we excoriate the Jewish population on this site, let's not let the Brits off the hook. Take a look at their history, read carefully how they tortured the Germans to get confessions. Ask some people in India and other former British colonies. The Crown is behind much of the child trafficking, they were behind the spying on Trump, they are not even English, and they certainly are't Jewish! Their cruelty and complete disconnect from "commoners" around the world allows them to steal from their people, create policies that harm millions, and indeed, they are the very architects of The Fabian Society. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Fabian-Society This is the society behind the gradual takeover of the world ... The Brits never got over losing the moniker, "The Sun Never Sets on the British Empire." We can bitch about the Russians and Germans and japanese and the media and the propaganda till the sun goes down. But bottom line, the true evil is sitting in that throne in Buckingham Palace and has been for a very long time.

OK - lots of rambly thoughts. But as always, THANK YOU @SRAYZIE FOR MAKING THIS A SAFE PLACE TO EVEN RUMINATE ABOUT ALL OF THIS WITHOUT GETTING SLAMMED FOR THINKING!!! Bless you.

srayzie ago

Thank you. @LauraIngalls this is an open minded person that is researching. Please read this.

Lauraingalls ago

I'm going to say this for the LAST TIME so PAY ATTENTION. I know all about Holocaust Deniers, and I've read much on this subject. Pay attention please. I'M NOT INTERESTED in your garbage. DO YOU UNDERSTAND??? I'm done with this BULLSHIT. I don't have a CLOSED MIND because I have studied this subject and made up my own mind. SORRY.

bopper ago

Laura, what about this..forget about the holocaust and read what American heroes Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford opined about the Jews. Surely you will consider their opinions.

@srayzie

Lauraingalls ago

I never realized that people on VOAT try to push their BULLSHIT and won't stop.. PLEASE STOP.

bopper ago

No problem, I will leave you be about it.

srayzie ago

Poor Bopper 😂

bopper ago

Shucks.

Fun Fact: My son majored in history at a prestigious university, the subject was the holocaust.

srayzie ago

Really? I didn’t know that.

bopper ago

Yes, weird, he was in Canada at the time. Says it was a total waste of time, didn't learn anything that would help him get a job lol.

srayzie ago

Alllll of your kids turned out successful so whatever. 🙄

bopper ago

I'm thankful for that.

srayzie ago

Well you must have did something right