It's starting: Unsealed Indictments in the 1MDB Case. Many BIG Players Involved, Including Goldman Sachs

It's starting: Unsealed Indictments in the 1MDB Case. Many BIG Players Involved, Including Goldman Sachs (GreatAwakening)

submitted 6.1 years ago by SeekNuShallFind

Source : https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/malaysian-financier-low-taek-jho-also-known-jho-low-and-former-banker-ng-chong-hwa-also-known

A three-count criminal indictment was unsealed today in federal court in the Eastern District of New York charging Low Taek Jho, 36, also known as “Jho Low,” and Ng Chong Hwa, 51, also known as “Roger Ng,” with conspiring to launder billions of dollars embezzled from 1Malaysia Development Berhad (1MDB), Malaysia’s investment development fund, and conspiring to violate the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA) by paying bribes to various Malaysian and Abu Dhabi officials. As part of the three-count indictment, Ng is also charged with conspiring to violate the FCPA by circumventing the internal accounting controls of a major New York-headquartered financial institution (Financial Institution), which underwrote more than $6 billion in bonds issued by 1MDB in three separate bond offerings in 2012 and 2013, while Ng was employed at the Financial Institution as a managing director. Ng was arrested earlier today in Malaysia, pursuant to a provisional arrest warrant issued at the request of the United States. Low remains at large.

Also unsealed today in federal court in the Eastern District of New York was the guilty plea of Tim Leissner, 48, the former Southeast Asia Chairman and participating managing director of the Financial Institution, to a two-count criminal information charging Leissner with conspiring to launder money and conspiring to violate the FCPA by both paying bribes to various Malaysian and Abu Dhabi officials and circumventing the internal accounting controls of the Financial Institution while he was employed by it. According to court filings, Leissner has been ordered to forfeit $43.7 million as a result of his crimes.

Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General John P. Cronan of the Justice Department’s Criminal Division, U.S. Attorney Richard P. Donoghue for the Eastern District of New York, Assistant Director in Charge William F. Sweeney Jr. of the FBI New York Field Office, and Special Agent in Charge R. Damon Rowe of IRS Criminal Investigation (IRS-CI) Los Angeles Field Office announced the charges.

The Criminal Scheme

1MDB is a Malaysian state-owned and controlled fund created to pursue investment and development projects for the economic benefit of Malaysia and its people. As alleged in court filings, between approximately 2009 and 2014, as 1MDB raised money to fund its projects, billions of dollars were misappropriated and fraudulently diverted from 1MDB, including funds 1MDB raised in 2012 and 2013 through three bond transactions that it executed with the Financial Institution. As part of the scheme, and as alleged in court filings, Low, Ng, Leissner, and others conspired to bribe government officials in Malaysia, including at 1MDB, and Abu Dhabi to obtain and retain lucrative business for the Financial Institution, including the 2012 and 2013 bond deals. They also allegedly conspired to launder the proceeds of their criminal conduct through the U.S. financial system by purchasing, among other things, luxury residential real estate in New York City and elsewhere, and artwork from a New York-based auction house, and by funding major Hollywood films.

As alleged, Low’s close relationships with high-ranking government officials in Malaysia and Abu Dhabi were central to the scheme. Ng, Leissner, and others at the Financial Institution allegedly knew Low was close to these government officials, including a high-ranking Malaysian government official who had authority to approve 1MDB business decisions (Malaysian Official #1). According to allegations in court filings, beginning in approximately 2009 and continuing through 2014, Low, Ng, Leissner, and the other co-conspirators used Low’s relationships to obtain and retain business for the Financial Institution through the promise and payment of hundreds of millions of dollars in bribes, including to ensure 1MDB awarded the Financial Institution a role on three bond transactions known internally at the Financial Institution as “Project Magnolia,” “Project Maximus,” and “Project Catalyze.” As a result of its work for 1MDB during that time, the Financial Institution allegedly received approximately $600 million in fees and revenues along with increased reputational prestige. At the same time, Ng, Leissner and others allegedly received large bonuses and enhanced their own reputations at the Financial Institution. In total, according to allegations in court filings, more than $2.7 billion was misappropriated from 1MDB and Low, Ng, Leissner and others conspired to launder this money through the U.S. financial system to pay bribes to foreign officials and for the personal benefit of themselves and their relatives.

Project Magnolia

In early 2012, according to allegations in court filings, following a series of meetings in Malaysia and the United Kingdom, Low, Leissner, Ng and the co-conspirators agreed that, with the assistance of the Financial Institution, 1MDB would issue $1.75 billion in bonds guaranteed by an entity wholly-owned and controlled by the government of Abu Dhabi. Low allegedly explained to Ng, Leissner, and others at the time that, to complete the transaction, bribes would need to be paid to officials in Malaysia and Abu Dhabi and hundreds of millions of dollars were allegedly paid to officials in these countries. Court filings also allege that Low, Ng, Leissner, and other co-conspirators knew that Low intended to use funds misappropriated from the bond transaction to bribe and influence the officials to obtain the necessary approvals and any additional assistance to execute Project Magnolia for the Financial Institution and to pay kickbacks to Ng, Leissner, and others.

In or around March 2012, 1MDB allegedly selected the Financial Institution to be the sole bookrunner and arranger for Project Magnolia. As part of the scheme, Low and other co-conspirators allegedly enlisted the assistance of 1MDB officials, promising to pay them bribes and kickbacks. In one instance, as alleged in court filings, in connection with Project Magnolia, Low told one 1MDB official that he would “[g]ive [the official a] big present” when the transaction closed. According to allegations in court documents, the fact that bribes and kickbacks were being paid in connection with Project Magnolia was known to Ng, Leissner, and other employees of the Financial Institution.

After Project Magnolia closed on or about May 21, 2012, more than $500 million of the bond proceeds were allegedly misappropriated and diverted from 1MDB through numerous wire transfers to bank accounts in the name of shell companies beneficially owned and controlled by Low, Leissner, Ng, and other co-conspirators, including a high-level official at the Abu Dhabi entity that guaranteed the Project Magnolia bonds and a close relative of Malaysian Official #1. As alleged, the bond proceeds transferred to Malaysian Official #1’s close relative were later used by the relative’s U.S. motion picture company to assist in the production of the film “The Wolf of Wall Street.”

Project Maximus and Project Catalyze

Court filings further allege that from May 2012 and continuing through 2013, Low, Ng, Leissner, and their co-conspirators continued to work to ensure that the Financial Institution obtained and retained additional 1MDB business, including the bond transactions known as “Project Maximus” and “Project Catalyze,” which transactions generated substantial fees and revenues for the Financial Institution. As alleged, although both transactions were designed to raise more than $4 billion for 1MDB’s investment and development projects, Low, Ng, Leissner, and other co-conspirators used the transactions to further the criminal scheme, ultimately laundering hundreds of millions of dollars of diverted funds from these transactions into bank accounts beneficially owned and controlled by, among others, the co-conspirators, including Low, Leissner and officials in Malaysia and Abu Dhabi. As alleged in court filings, throughout this time, Ng, Leissner, and at least one other employee of the Financial Institution knew that Low would and did pay bribes to influence officials in Malaysia and Abu Dhabi to obtain the necessary approvals to execute Project Maximus and Project Catalyze. Low, Ng, Leissner, and others also allegedly knew that large portions of the bond proceeds would be illegally diverted to themselves and others, including to foreign government officials.

As part of the scheme alleged in court filings, Low, Ng, Leissner and other co-conspirators again used a series of wire transfers to launder billions of dollars of misappropriated and fraudulently diverted funds from Project Maximus and Project Catalyze. Following the close of Project Maximus, approximately $790 million of the bond proceeds was allegedly transferred through a series of shell company accounts beneficially owned and controlled by Low, Leissner and others, including accounts of officials in Malaysia and Abu Dhabi. In particular, Leissner and Ng allegedly caused millions of dollars of these funds to be transferred to accounts of 1MDB officials or relatives of such officials in exchange for their assistance in obtaining and retaining business for the Financial Institution. Over $35 million of the bond proceeds also allegedly was used by a co-conspirator to help acquire a condominium in New York, New York beneficially owned by Low...

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VOALTRON 6.1 years ago

Funny, I've lived my entire life without ever reading, or hearing about a single news story involving the country of Malaysia. Yet in just the last 3 years, I've read about a "missing" Malaysian air liner, another Malaysian airliner being shot down over Ukraine, and now, a multi-billion dollar international crime gang, connected to the mid-east, and the USA. Something about all this just has that unmistakable democRat party, [0bama] muzzie stench surrounding it.

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SeekNuShallFind 6.1 years ago

Jho Low ties to Prince MbZ through his Jynwel Foundation.

The Global Alliance Panthera has partnered with the Mohamed bin Zayed Species Conservation Fund, Jynwel Charitable Foundation Limited (Jynwel Foundation) and the Wildlife Conservation Trust (WCT) to form a Global Alliance to save the world’s 38 wild cat species, with a core focus on protecting tigers, lions, jaguars, snow leopards, cheetahs, clouded leopards, cougars and leopards around the globe.

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SeekNuShallFind 6.1 years ago

UNITED NATIONS GATE

The United Nations' connections not only to bribers like imprisoned Ng Lap Seng and Patrick Ho of CEFC but fugitive financiers like Jho Low, who like UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres is trying to censor negative coverage, are extensive. Jho Low is sending lawyers' letters to those covering his role in the 1MBD scandal. It's been reported that Jho Low, like Ng, "donated millions of dollars to the United Nations" and that "A junior partner in the U.N. Foundation media training and subsidy effort is a not-for-profit organization known as the Jynwel Charitable Foundation Limited, whose co-director is a flamboyant Malaysian financial named Jho Low." What does it say about the UN and UN Foundation they took money from this Jho Low, profiled in today's Wall Street Journal in a decadent bacchanal in Las Vegas with other UN-world insiders like Leonardo DiCaprio, an UNCA-like "bright red Lamborghini" and unnamed partners of Goldman Sachs, ostensibly interested in green energy, emphasis on the green. A new building was constructed for the Vegas party.

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And also this now 404 page from UN on event featuring Jho Low's "charity" Jynwel Foundation.

Through the partnership, media organizations around the world will be offered capacity grants to increase reporting on major 2015 moments and the global goals. The grants will not seek editorial control, but only to increase awareness and reporting on global development issues that matter to readers.

The launch event took place on the margins of events taking place in conjunction with the White House Correspondents Dinner. In attendance was Elizabeth Cousens, Deputy CEO of the United Nations Foundation, Jho Low from Jynwel Foundation, and Nicolas Bellet from the Thomson Reuters Foundation.

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SeekNuShallFind 6.1 years ago

1MDB Global Involvement Map

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JackBeowulf 6.1 years ago

they will get off, no problem.. nolo fault, fine.. wash, rinse, repeat. No One will hold them accountable.

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SeekNuShallFind 6.1 years ago

Research links from previous post I made elsewhere:

Money Laundering, Sovereign Wealth Funds, Abu Dabi, Malaysia

https://goldismoney2.com/threads/90-federal-police-officers-raided-edmond-de-rothschild-bank-how-aabar-scandal-could-dwarf-1mdb.115525/ and https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/follow-money-wolf-wall-street-913395

Rothchild caught by Swiss money laundering

https://www.miragenews.com/rothschild-bank-caught-up-in-money-laundering-scandal/

90 Federal Police Officers Raided Edmond de Rothschild Bank

http://www.sarawakreport.org/2016/08/90-federal-police-officers-raided-edmond-de-rothschild-bank-how-aabar-scandal-could-dward-1mdb/

Hollywood businessman on the run. Hilton sisters, DeCaprio, Kerr lavish gifts seized.

http://www.malaysiandigest.com/features/748379-how-fugitive-financier-jho-low-stays-above-the-law.html and http://www.sarawakreport.org/2018/07/jho-low-and-the-china-issue/

Red Granite Pictures Inc. illumanti symbolism , Joey McFarland (odd instagram photos)

https://illuminatiwatcher.com/illuminati-symbolism-daniel-radcliffe-horns-film/ and https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/red-granite-missing-papillon-poster-1114293

Hillary, Russia, China, Uk, Mayo Clinic, Red Cross, Obaid PetroSaudi and Malaysia 1MDB and more.

https://medium.com/@Brian_Whit/saudis-russians-and-italians-the-murky-world-of-joseph-mifsud-77ad818d5376

Ties to SA takedown

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/1mdblinked-prince-turki-among-those-nabbed-corruption-saudi-arabia and https://realpolitikasia.blogspot.com/2017/11/1mdb-asset-seizures-enter-prince.html and https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/400873

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SeekNuShallFind 6.1 years ago

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/1mdblinked-prince-turki-among-those-nabbed-corruption-saudi-arabia or http://archive.fo/IFDjV

1MDB-linked Prince Turki among those nabbed for corruption in Saudi Arabia

Prince Turki bin Abdullah, co-founder of Petrosaudi, the company that is embroiled in the 1Malaysia Development Bhd scandal, was among the 11 princes arrested in anti-corruption raids in Saudi Arabia on Saturday.

Reuters had named Prince Turki bin Abdullah, the former governor of Riyadh province, as among those arrested.

"A Saudi official said former Riyadh Governor Prince Turki bin Abdullah was detained on accusations of corruption in the Riyadh Metro project and taking advantage of his influence to award contracts to his own companies," Reuters reported.

Prince Turki bin Abdullah, the seventh son of Saudi Arabia's late King Abdullah was appointed governor of Riyadh Province on May 14, 2014. He was removed as governor following the death of King Abdullah on Jan 23, 2015.

According to www.ft.com, PetroSaudi was founded in 2005 as a private oil company by Prince Turki bin Abdullah bin Abdel Aziz and his business partner Tarek Obaid, a former banker. The company grew from drilling and oilfield management into trading, opening offices in London’s Mayfair district that have pictures of Saudi royalty and are decked with national flags.

"At the heart of the 1MDB-PetroSaudi relationship is a 2009 agreement for the Malaysian fund to invest US$1bn in a joint venture in exchange for the Saudi company bringing in mineral extraction concessions in Turkmenistan and Argentina allegedly valued at US$2.7bn, according to the US complaint.

"Some 1MDB officials and others then allegedly arranged for the fund’s share of the money to be fraudulently transferred to a Swiss bank account controlled by a young Malaysian businessman and impresario named Jho Low. The DoJ court filing claims Mr Low laundered more than US$400m into the US, using at least US$106.7m to acquire a stake in EMI Music Publishing Group North America Holdings Inc, the world’s third-largest music publishing company," the Financial Times website reported.

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SeekNuShallFind 6.1 years ago

https://medium.com/@Brian_Whit/saudis-russians-and-italians-the-murky-world-of-joseph-mifsud-77ad818d5376 or http://archive.is/3Jjgi

The Centre for War and Peace Studies was established in Rome last May “to support experts, academics, researchers, diplomats, governments, and civil society activists in their attempts to help countries in conflict, crisis and transition around the world”.

It sounded like a worthy if over-ambitious project but what made it truly remarkable was the man chosen to be its first director — Joseph Mifsud, the mysterious “professor” who has since emerged as a central figure in the Trump-Russia affair.

Mifsud, who vanished as soon as his role in Trump-Russia was revealed, is widely thought to be some kind of Russian agent. True or not, he had certainly been a frequent visitor to Moscow and claimed to have high-level contacts there.

In the run-up to the 2016 presidential election in the United States, Mifsud was in contact with George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign. According to a document released by the US Justice Department, Mifsud acted as go-between in trying to set up a meeting between candidate Trump and the Russian president, Vladimir Putin. Mifsud also informed Papadopoulos (and through him, the Trump campaign) that Russia had acquired “dirt” on Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails”.

Arrival of the Saudi benefactors

The Centre for War and Peace Studies was a joint creation by two seemingly unlikely partners: Link Campus University in Rome and a charitable foundation run by a wealthy Saudi family.

Link Campus is a private (for-profit) university with accreditation from Italy’s education ministry. There are six Italian politicians on its governing body — two of them former foreign ministers — and it is also reputed to have links with Italian intelligence services. One of the university’s courses is an MA degree in Intelligence and Security.

As for the Saudi charity, the Essam & Dalal Obaid Foundation (EDOF), its chief executive is known as a security and intelligence consultant with long-standing connections to Prince Turki al-Faisal, the kingdom’s former head of intelligence.

In addition to its partnership deal with the relatively obscure Link Campus, EDOF has formal ties with several well-known organisations. Based in Geneva, it works with the International Committee of the Red Cross to help victims of the conflict in Syria, it supports reconstructive surgery at the famous Mayo Clinic in the United States, it campaigns against human trafficking in partnership with the American media giant CNN and it provides funding to the National Council on US-Arab Relations (NCUSAR) in Washington.

EDOF is run by four members of the Obaid family — Dalal, Nawaf, Tarek and Karim. Nawaf is chief executive and his brother, Tarek, holds the title of “founder”.

Tarek Obaid: entrepreneur who wooed Tony Blair In 2005, in partnership with a son of the Saudi king, Tarek Obaid formed a private company called PetroSaudi. This not only succeeded in attracting some high-profile business figures as advisers but also managed to recruit former British prime minister Tony Blair whose consultancy firm did “a few months of advisory work for PetroSaudi” around 2010. Blair’s role seems to have mainly aimed at developing relations between PetroSaudi and China.

No less controversially, PetroSaudi entered into a joint venture with 1MDB, Malaysia’s state development fund which has long been the subject of corruption allegations. These centre around a Malaysian financier who is said to have siphoned off vast sums of money. There are ongoing investigations and legal actions in various countries. Last month, for example, a $250m luxury yacht was seized in Indonesia.

Nawaf Obaid: intelligence among the think tanks Tarek’s brother, Nawaf Obaid, is Visiting Fellow for Intelligence and Defense Projects at Harvard University’s Belfer Center. Educated in the US, he previously worked for two prominent American think tanks — the Washington Institute (WINEP) and the Center for Strategic & International Studies (CSIS).

In 2015 he delivered a presentation entitled “Saudi Arabia Ascendant” at the National Council on US-Arab Relations (NCUSAR) in Washington. A few days later NCUSAR announced that it was honouring him with the title of “Distinguished International Affairs Fellow” and giving him a seat on NCUSAR’s advisory committee. As mentioned earlier, NCUSAR is one of the organisations funded by the Obaid family through EDOF.

Outside the US, Nawaf Obaid also acquired the titles of “visiting fellow” at the London Academy of Diplomacy (at a time when Joseph Mifsud was its director) and “senior fellow” at the King Faisal Centre for Research and Islamic Studies in Riyadh, which is headed by Prince Turki al-Faisal.

Prince Turki ran the kingdom’s foreign intelligence service for almost a quarter of a century, from 1977 until 2001. In 2002, the prince became Saudi ambassador in London and, three years later, ambassador in Washington.

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Tallest_Skil 6.1 years ago

Reminder that the courts remain owned by jews.

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TiffanyBlu4 6.1 years ago

good

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Keneo77 6.1 years ago

Can they link it to Trudeau by any chance?

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playdoh 6.1 years ago

Oh man, I hope so. I hope this leads back to Jamilah Taib Murray and the upper echelons of Ottawa society, including the Trudeaus and the government officials who always declined to investigate her. Hopefully half of the Rideau Club, too.

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Keneo77 6.1 years ago

We need help to take that Pos down. I doubt we have anyone in Canada investigating his crimes.

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peoplecleaner 6.1 years ago

Remember "This Video Will Get Donald Trump Elected" Q posted Look at 2:31 I was wondering with Goldman Sucks was gonna be in the news. Promises Made...

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corrbrick 6.1 years ago

Good catch!

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AncientFrogGod 6.1 years ago

I stopped at Low Tech Ho.

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SeekNuShallFind 6.1 years ago

It links to a Dossier player too. Joseph Mifsud.

PetroSaudi/1MDB - Tarek Obaid is PetroSaudi Director. His brother is Nawef Obaid. They are among three sons of a former businessman and arms dealer, Essam Obaid.

Misfud/Link Universkty - Obaid Family Foundation (EDOF) and Link University

Misfud/Obaid/Turki - Nawaf Obaid acquired the titles of "visiting fellow" at the London Academy of Diplomacy (at a time when Joseph Mifsud was its director) and "senior fellow" at the King Faisal CSIS in Riyadh, which was headed by Turki al-Faisal.

source one, source two

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poshpepe 6.1 years ago

Great work, Anon!

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Ishahn 6.1 years ago

Nice lets get this party started. Lots of shit to clean.

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SeekNuShallFind 6.1 years ago

Pictured left to right : Tarek Obaid, Prince Turki and Najib Razak - the three named Shareholders of the 1MDB PetroSaudi Joint Venture meeting a month before the deal on the yacht Tatoosh.

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asmo88 6.1 years ago

Q said it post 34 mr podesta arrest 11.3 maybe we will see

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Sk8rminion 6.1 years ago

Docket last updated: 11/02/2018 11:59 PM EDT

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/22942514/SWEIGERT_et_al_v_PODESTA_et_al

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RCMike_CHS 6.1 years ago

Lots of tentacles in this scheme. No doubt spurred other investigations and indictments!

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fuckmyreddit 6.1 years ago

It's always interesting how they call thieves "financiers."

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thatguyiam 6.1 years ago

No problem here, MOVE ALONG GOATS.

Embrace dereguglation and globalization faggoats. Quit your whining!

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late2thegame 6.1 years ago

How do you know "a major New York-headquartered financial institution (Financial Institution)" was Goldman Sachs? They were not specifically listed in the article.

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SeekNuShallFind 6.1 years ago

Research

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vivalad 6.1 years ago

Tim Leissner was the former Southeast Asian Chairman of Goldman

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late2thegame 6.1 years ago

Thank you. Guess I could have dug that up myself....

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thatguyiam 6.1 years ago

They ALL have to be neurered. Every fucking singe one of them

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57005-177 6.1 years ago

Ng? Interesting name. There is a serial killer in San Quentin named Charles Ng. That was the last I heard this last name since your research.

His partner Leonard in crime committed suicide in interogation after he swallowed a cyanide pill hidden in his collar.

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SeekNuShallFind 6.1 years ago

To get up to speed on this web the sarawak report has had the scoop from the beginning. http://www.sarawakreport.org/2018/11/the-boys-in-blue-catch-up-with-the-masters-of-the-universe-comment/

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Sam63 6.1 years ago

Great news. These rats will turn on each other big time. These evil bastards thought they were untouchable. The deep state is no longer running things and cant protect these low lives. Patriots that love America and it citizens are running things now.

WWG1WGA

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grace8 6.1 years ago

Does anyone understand who paid int these bonds. Was it money publicly raised? Did other countries send the money? Was it the Malasian gov itself through taxes? whoever writes up white collar crime does a terrible job of showing who the victim's are. Obviously, money was supposed to go to better Malasia but who gave the money.

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SeekNuShallFind 6.1 years ago

Is the missing Low Taek Jho, also known as Jho Low's life in danger?

According to former Petrosaudi senior executive Xavier Justo, the fugitive Malaysian businessman could be a target by those who want him “silenced” to prevent him from being caught and testifying in the investigation into the 1MDB scandal in Malaysia and other countries, The Star reported.

“He is the one who knows everything from PetroSaudi to GoldmanSachs, IPIC and other 1MDB scams.

“For a lot of people, the best solution would be for him to disappear forever,” Justo was quoted as saying.

Justo added that his life too was threatened when he was in jail in Thailand, and feared that his extradition to Malaysia could have ended in his death.

“I would not be surprised if Jho Low is not seen anymore or is found dead.

Source https://newmalaysiatimes.com/2018/11/01/if-jho-lows-life-in-danger-who-else-faces-similar-threat/

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Kirbyrambo 6.1 years ago

Big deal! Just a few pan faces taking the heat to deflect attention from the Joos.

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SeekNuShallFind 6.1 years ago

Goldman Sachs, Tarek Obaid, Prince Turki, Hong Kong, China, Venezuela, New Zealand, Australia and so much more.

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Raof 6.1 years ago

Disappointed not to see the names Hillary, Bill or plastic face Chelsea anywhere in the article

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Blacksmith21 6.1 years ago

This is directly tied to the downing of the Indonesian airliner 2 weeks ago.

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WinOneForTheQuipper 6.1 years ago

saw a headline on bing that a diver on the wreckage died.

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Blacksmith21 6.1 years ago

Anything is possible. Diving is dangerous.

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WinOneForTheQuipper 6.1 years ago

I know. I really just mentioned it as an interesting aside.

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Blacksmith21 6.1 years ago

Hey, ya never know....Loretta Fuddy drowned "diving". Look close. You can see a swimmer pull her under.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v636AlaVmE

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WinOneForTheQuipper 6.1 years ago

Yeah, I remember seeing that video and reading posts and stuff about that awhile ago. Another good reason to mention things that might seem insignificant or unconnected, because you never do know.....

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Blacksmith21 6.1 years ago

I like your handle. Tuesday is going to be spectacular. I hope. I have faith. Say a prayer or three.

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WinOneForTheQuipper 6.1 years ago

Thanks, I know it probably dates me, but I don't care. I can't wait to vote Tuesday, I always do it on the day, in person. My faith in some things may occasionally falter, but faith in God is constant. I don't think I've stopped praying since Don rode down the escalator!