ReallyLongTimeLurker ago

I have been looking into the history of Ketron Island, where Richard Russell crashed the stolen plane that he was miraculously able to fly with zero experience flying aircraft>

It's really not that hard to take off and fly. Has anyone checked to see if he had a flight simulator program with a yolk and pedals? Taking off and flying are the easy parts. Navigating, while not that hard takes practice, but with GPS, is relatively easy. Landing SAFELY can be a real bitch!

NoisyCricket ago

I'm a pilot. Father is a commercial pilot. Brother is a military rotary wing pilot. Just getting it started is more involved that you would think. Additionally, when parked it most certainly would be on a ground or FBO frequency yet he communicated on tower frequencies (or so I read). Which means he has an understanding of not only radio procedure but com panel operation and radio operation. Something not covered in most videos games. For now we can assume the radios had a flip-flop arrangement (sounded like a glass panel), which means he simply toggled over to the other frequencies, as last used during the aircraft's previous landing. But will still need to know the flip-flop button. Still...not something your typical non-pilot would know.

Something else which is interesting is that new pilots, simulator time or not, usually porpoise when first flying. I did not observe any of this. Porpoising occurs because the pilot constantly overcompensates to maintain level or a specific altitude. The result in that when above level they push down. When below level they pull up. The result is an cyclic up/down movement. Though perhaps did occur and just not in the video I've seen.

Also worth pointing out that most non-pilots don't know that throttle setting adjusts altitude. To climb you increase throttle. To sink you pull it. Yet he didn't seem to have trouble sanely flying. Which leads us into trim adjustment. An aircraft this large is going to require a fair amount of force to properly control unless the control surfaces are properly trimmed. Simply burning fuel during flight requires trim adjustment. The aircraft was most certainly trimmed for it's previous landing OR neutrally trimmed. With low fuel this means it would almost certainly have a nose-up or nose-down attitude (depending on fuel load Cg -as Cg would have been shifted toward an extreme) and would require considerable forward or backward pressure to prevent crazy climbs or dives. Especially with full throttle during takeoff. It's very unlikely a non-pilot would even know to trim the aircraft or what the controls would look like. Especially if his only experience were "video games."

Add to this and the crazy maneuvers it strikes me that this person was a pilot.

I'm happy to answer any questions I can.

ReallyLongTimeLurker ago

You obviously have much more flight time than me with larger more complicated aircraft. IIRC, it has been a while, Microsoft's flight simulator with a yolk, throttle, and pedals was at one time worth about ten hours of "flight training" to get to 40 to solo while earning you VFR ticket. I have read he was a mechanic. How true it is I don't know. I have seen several mechanics take a ride when the pilot could not adequately explain the problem or noise and the mechanic can find nothing wrong. This is strictly from my experience at a small air port. He might have had some unofficial training or just have been very observant. This is far less likely given it was a large twin engine and was supposedly doing barrel rolls. Don't know anything about that particular model, but I've read suggestions that it was hacked and remote piloted with a corpse in the plane to start an investigation into property on the crash site. That would have been quite a reach for me a few years ago, but if they can hack your car and run with the engine and fuel injectors so wide open flames are coming out the exhaust pipes and continue to run wide open after a crash it really is not that far fetched.

NoisyCricket ago

I don't wish to misrepresent. I'm SEP. My father is a private, commercial in a turbine. Brother is twin turbine rotary. I'm in the hundreds of hours. Father and brother are many thousands of hours.

My comments are definitely focused on the reports that he is simply a line man or FBO guy. If he's a mechanic I do agree that additional knowledge may come with it. Absolutely. Especially if he's avionics. As he would have to know how the avionic systems function.

As I'm sure you know a twin is not only a complex but requires additional training for a variety of reasons. Add to this that it's a turbine. While no mag check, even the start is much more complex. Hell, McCain just about sank a carrier fucking up a turbine start. Even taxing can be more complex with dual prop beta. Many of these types of aircraft have poor nose steering because differential thrust is the preferred mechanism. Brakes are only used for extra stopping power.

I glossed over a lot. It is possible he used the check lists and whatnot, but even this requires avionics/panel/com familiarity. Otherwise you're going to be a while going through a couple of items on the checklist. The jargon is likely to be completely lost on a non-pilot. How many people you know that know what EGT means? Or IT? How many people think to retract the gear?

I absolutely agree we can't rule anything out. I find it suspicious but I'm happy to go either direction the evidence leads us.

ReallyLongTimeLurker ago

How many people you know that know what EGT means? Or IT? How many people think to retract the gear?>

Not many people would. Just depends on what type of mechanic he was, how long he had been doing it...... To many factors that are unavailable yet. I could fly, that is to say maintain a heading, ascend, descend or come about to a heading of XXX long before I started with an official instructor. Given your family history I suspect you could too. Now if we see several pilots come forward tomorrow saying they took him for test rides on this model we will know someone has been reading here. Maybe! :)

I find it suspicious but I'm happy to go either direction the evidence leads us.> I agree 100% I keep asking myself possible, plausible, or probable? Until we get more facts, which we probable won't it's just conjecture.

Shizy ago

I have seen speculation that he must have used a simulator to learn how to get the plane started and off the ground without stalling it. What I have found so far claims that the moves he was making are difficult to do.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/08/12/us/richard-russell-q400-flight-simulator.amp.html

SurfinMindWaves ago

I am unclear what these connected dots are leading to? You say there are no coincidences but what are you saying is a coincidence? That a guy crashed a plane on an island owned by a guy that previously had tangential business dealings with Trump?

Shizy ago

If you have followed this story unfolding there's been a lot of talk and speculation about thie hijackers motives, and that crashing on that island may not have been accidental or coincidental. There's talk about child trafficking being done through the SeaTac and at the island. That through his job Russell found out about it. If the plane was purposely crashed there to direct our attention to dig into what goes on there, it's already looking like there could be more to this place and possibly the owner himself Lundgren. There's also the idea that If Trump is Q or with Q, then there's prior history and knowledge of the types of things Lundgren is involved with.

Here's more info on the coincidences. I didn't post this before because it's kinda long

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1028692675531169792.html

SurfinMindWaves ago

Thanks for filling me in.

Shizy ago

No problem, I probably should have initially included that link I sent you. It's helpful to get up to speed for those who haven't been able to keep up from the beginning.

derram ago

https://archive.fo/eGIrx :

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Shizy ago

As far as the sewage treatment plant, if it was not dismantled but is not being used, that could be a way onto and around the island by underground means.

gazillions ago

Almost all of those islands around there have individual septic tanks on each lot, and rainwater collected from the roofs, or rooves.

I find it odd that a sewage treatment plant would have been considered.

Shizy ago

I thought so too.