multiple sites state the symptoms as listed. the wikipedia page for Oppositional defiant disorder will list them. the articles seem to be trying to stir unnecessary hate. or really bored writers. they sure did get OP's attention.
the disorder could just be asshold child disorder.
Signs and symptoms were: actively refuses to comply with majority's requests or consensus-supported rules;[5] performs actions deliberately to annoy others;[5] is angry and resentful of others;[4] argues often;[4] blames others for their own mistakes;[6] frequently loses temper;[6] is spiteful or seeks revenge;[6] and is touchy or easily annoyed.[6]
Dude what? This can easily be abused man. Are you telling me that someone with the following traits should be drugged and/or get therapy?
actively refuses to comply with majority's requests or consensus-supported rules
argues often;
blames others for their own mistakes
is touchy or easily annoyed
That probably counts for like a quarter of this subreddit (or on reddit at least). I'm not saying those traits are necessarily a good thing but to say they are symptoms of a disorder is more than pushing it and is just sounding like 1984 to me.
no one said anything about drugs. but if you read the article you have to have 6 of the eight for them to consider you as a possible case of ODD. Consider. Possible. 6 out of 8. you only chose 3. because the other 5 are universal asshole traits. And therapy does not hurt anyone.
No. It says 4. Where did you read 6? If it was 6 then that would be quite a bit better. I read 4 so that's why I picked the 4 most harmless symptoms to prove a point
my mistake if thats what it says. even with those 4 traits together is an extremely difficult person to be around. im not worried about faceless people online. but if my child was acting that way, for their own benefit i would help them get to the root of the problem and find a solution get them a happier life.
If you let just those "harmless traits" fester its going to breed more traits. they will have no friends from pushing them all away and end committing a scoial suicide. grow up and be another withdrawn individual in their own bubble. these are the people that end up going on shooting sprees. these are the people we outcry over because we have no way of identifying their problems early and helping them.
refusing to comply to the consensus standard
easily be on grounds of a lack of empathy. its a standard to benefit everyone. its a consensus for a reason. not stealing is a consensus standard
argues often
debating is one thing. arguing is destructive and does not bring upon progress. often? we dont need it all the time from someone ignoring the consensus standard. he is obviously alone in his views.
blames others for their mistakes
well now we have someone who is following their own rules and arguing with the consensus constantly that their way is the best making mistakes and blaming their mistakes on everyone else but themselves. apparently he does not know everything and maybe should stop arguing and take a look at the consensus standards. maybe they are agreed upon for a reason.
touchy or easily annoyed
what does this person possibly have to be annoyed with now? no one is excusing him for being an asshole? he feels alone? this is the trait that will start to tip someone off maybe the person needs help.
the 4 seperatly are innocent enough. but together is recipe of something might be wrong.
I severely disagree. Oh my you edited it into double the size. 3 more paragraphs I have to type now, oh well. Refusing to comply to the consensus standard means a lack of empathy? It's a consensus for a reason? Do you know what sub you are on? The consensus rules that criticism of Israel equates to antisemitism. Is it a benefit for everyone to ignore the crimes against humanity in Palestine? (Every year the UN condemns Israel to no effect)
Debating is literally the exact same thing as arguing. If "we don't need it all the time" then we can leave the individual alone. Unless he is bothering people himself, just the act of arguing is not bad and is very good since differing viewpoints can always add to the discussion. This is different from quarreling or causing a ruckus, and if simply arguing is actually going to be used as a symptom in the newest DSM then it can very easily be abused to influence parents to drug perfectly normal kids.
Blaming others others for their mistakes can be bad if someone is going around yelling at everyone how they are causing their mistakes, but if they are saying nothing until someone accuses them of a mistake and then they say the cause of what is being accused is not them? That's not bad at all. Saying the trait of blaming others for their mistakes is too broad and can be much too easily abused.
The first 3 traits together signify cynicism and that isn't a bad trait. This whole sub is based on cynicism! Refusing to comply, arguing and blaming others is ridiculously normal and honestly I would encourage that type of thing! For the last trait though. being touchy and easily annoyed would be if when one is in a bad mood which can easily happen through watching news or just generally being aware of the atrocities or being appalled at the ignorance.
Sure one would have to learn how to take their mind of such things and have a good enough attitude for social interaction but that's pretty simple and doesn't need therapy let alone drugs or anything. Yet all of a sudden if someone shows these 4 traits, a psychiatrist can easily recommend psychiatric medication (aka drugs) for them?
This is Orwellian as fuck and is a very big cause for concern
dude you have to be trolling now. that book is terrible. I know you have not read the whole thing. if you are serious you only read the beginning of the book. its the only thing thats worth anything. i cant believe you just told me to read 1984. lol literally reddits bible. they thump that book in every comment thread. are you moling for reddit right now?
your comments are showing your age. 1984 may be very impressionable for someone so young. your views are so narrowed. I hope you dont have a social disorder. when you graduate high school i hope you log out and shut your computer off. move out of her home town and talk to some people and listen. look and learn about the world you live in. sadly i can tell you have only experience the world through subreddits and clickbait articles. you are becoming the exact person you dont want to be. slowly programmed over the years by being systamaticaly hypnotized by the tv and internet. you have no opinions of your own. you sound like any other person commenting. no individuality to your statements. cookie cutter at most.
I'm 22 with many intelligent friends. Also 1984 is taught in many universities and is assigned to be analyzed so I have no idea what you're talking about. Personally speaking I think Brave New World is a more accurate depiction of the issues modern society is faced but we can learn much to heed the warnings of both authors. Huxley especially says some very enlightening things.
Maybe you should type properly before telling someone to learn... Unless you are gonna stop using ad hominem and other logical fallacies I think I am done here.
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WhatTheFuckIsGoingOn ago
Oh shit looks like you're too creative, better give you some drugs. What the hell is wrong with the people who make this manual?
slightly ago
i cant find the link to the manual. the article seems to making a lot of their own quotes.
id ago
Yeah I'm struggling to find validation for these statements
slightly ago
multiple sites state the symptoms as listed. the wikipedia page for Oppositional defiant disorder will list them. the articles seem to be trying to stir unnecessary hate. or really bored writers. they sure did get OP's attention.
the disorder could just be asshold child disorder.
Signs and symptoms were: actively refuses to comply with majority's requests or consensus-supported rules;[5] performs actions deliberately to annoy others;[5] is angry and resentful of others;[4] argues often;[4] blames others for their own mistakes;[6] frequently loses temper;[6] is spiteful or seeks revenge;[6] and is touchy or easily annoyed.[6]
alsyd ago
Dude what? This can easily be abused man. Are you telling me that someone with the following traits should be drugged and/or get therapy?
That probably counts for like a quarter of this subreddit (or on reddit at least). I'm not saying those traits are necessarily a good thing but to say they are symptoms of a disorder is more than pushing it and is just sounding like 1984 to me.
slightly ago
no one said anything about drugs. but if you read the article you have to have 6 of the eight for them to consider you as a possible case of ODD. Consider. Possible. 6 out of 8. you only chose 3. because the other 5 are universal asshole traits. And therapy does not hurt anyone.
alsyd ago
No. It says 4. Where did you read 6? If it was 6 then that would be quite a bit better. I read 4 so that's why I picked the 4 most harmless symptoms to prove a point
slightly ago
my mistake if thats what it says. even with those 4 traits together is an extremely difficult person to be around. im not worried about faceless people online. but if my child was acting that way, for their own benefit i would help them get to the root of the problem and find a solution get them a happier life.
If you let just those "harmless traits" fester its going to breed more traits. they will have no friends from pushing them all away and end committing a scoial suicide. grow up and be another withdrawn individual in their own bubble. these are the people that end up going on shooting sprees. these are the people we outcry over because we have no way of identifying their problems early and helping them.
easily be on grounds of a lack of empathy. its a standard to benefit everyone. its a consensus for a reason. not stealing is a consensus standard
debating is one thing. arguing is destructive and does not bring upon progress. often? we dont need it all the time from someone ignoring the consensus standard. he is obviously alone in his views.
well now we have someone who is following their own rules and arguing with the consensus constantly that their way is the best making mistakes and blaming their mistakes on everyone else but themselves. apparently he does not know everything and maybe should stop arguing and take a look at the consensus standards. maybe they are agreed upon for a reason.
what does this person possibly have to be annoyed with now? no one is excusing him for being an asshole? he feels alone? this is the trait that will start to tip someone off maybe the person needs help.
the 4 seperatly are innocent enough. but together is recipe of something might be wrong.
alsyd ago
I severely disagree. Oh my you edited it into double the size. 3 more paragraphs I have to type now, oh well. Refusing to comply to the consensus standard means a lack of empathy? It's a consensus for a reason? Do you know what sub you are on? The consensus rules that criticism of Israel equates to antisemitism. Is it a benefit for everyone to ignore the crimes against humanity in Palestine? (Every year the UN condemns Israel to no effect)
Debating is literally the exact same thing as arguing. If "we don't need it all the time" then we can leave the individual alone. Unless he is bothering people himself, just the act of arguing is not bad and is very good since differing viewpoints can always add to the discussion. This is different from quarreling or causing a ruckus, and if simply arguing is actually going to be used as a symptom in the newest DSM then it can very easily be abused to influence parents to drug perfectly normal kids.
Blaming others others for their mistakes can be bad if someone is going around yelling at everyone how they are causing their mistakes, but if they are saying nothing until someone accuses them of a mistake and then they say the cause of what is being accused is not them? That's not bad at all. Saying the trait of blaming others for their mistakes is too broad and can be much too easily abused.
The first 3 traits together signify cynicism and that isn't a bad trait. This whole sub is based on cynicism! Refusing to comply, arguing and blaming others is ridiculously normal and honestly I would encourage that type of thing! For the last trait though. being touchy and easily annoyed would be if when one is in a bad mood which can easily happen through watching news or just generally being aware of the atrocities or being appalled at the ignorance.
Sure one would have to learn how to take their mind of such things and have a good enough attitude for social interaction but that's pretty simple and doesn't need therapy let alone drugs or anything. Yet all of a sudden if someone shows these 4 traits, a psychiatrist can easily recommend psychiatric medication (aka drugs) for them?
This is Orwellian as fuck and is a very big cause for concern
slightly ago
its people like you that gives this sub a bad name.
alsyd ago
How so? I could say the exact same thing about you. PS you should really read 1984 it's an eye opener
slightly ago
dude you have to be trolling now. that book is terrible. I know you have not read the whole thing. if you are serious you only read the beginning of the book. its the only thing thats worth anything. i cant believe you just told me to read 1984. lol literally reddits bible. they thump that book in every comment thread. are you moling for reddit right now?
alsyd ago
I rest my case
slightly ago
your comments are showing your age. 1984 may be very impressionable for someone so young. your views are so narrowed. I hope you dont have a social disorder. when you graduate high school i hope you log out and shut your computer off. move out of her home town and talk to some people and listen. look and learn about the world you live in. sadly i can tell you have only experience the world through subreddits and clickbait articles. you are becoming the exact person you dont want to be. slowly programmed over the years by being systamaticaly hypnotized by the tv and internet. you have no opinions of your own. you sound like any other person commenting. no individuality to your statements. cookie cutter at most.
alsyd ago
I'm 22 with many intelligent friends. Also 1984 is taught in many universities and is assigned to be analyzed so I have no idea what you're talking about. Personally speaking I think Brave New World is a more accurate depiction of the issues modern society is faced but we can learn much to heed the warnings of both authors. Huxley especially says some very enlightening things.
Maybe you should type properly before telling someone to learn... Unless you are gonna stop using ad hominem and other logical fallacies I think I am done here.
slightly ago
bye