So my initial reaction to this post was moderate-to-strong skepticism/disbelief. I've heard of HAARP, but have kind of dismissed the conspiracy theories about it as being more along the class-2 theories on the conspiracy theory rating scale. But I started viewing the links in your post. Now I'm not really sure.
I feel that this warrants further investigation, and I'd bump the conspiracy theory up to a class-3. The depopulation quotes are particularly disconcerting.
I think that it is important not to give in to panic and fear, as that can cloud judgment, and a scared people are much easier to manipulate than when they are calm, and too scared people sometimes panic and do harmful things when they are acting on incomplete or incorrect information. We should be careful, cautious, and sort the information out before jumping to the conclusion that most of us will be dead in 20 years due to HAARP and fukushima radiation (or other sources of radiation, like the TSA scanners).
It is a very scary thought, I agree. I like what hans rosling has said about population, about the overpopulation myth. His ted talk about it was pretty enlightening. the notion that as countries have increasing quality of life, families tend to have fewer children, generally one or two, and that based on historical trends it is likely population rates will stabilize in the not-too-distant future as a matter of course. It's comforting. I think, too, that improved agricultural processes, like John Jeavons' Grow Biointensive farming and Paul Stamets ideas about mycorhizal farming would resolve our food supply issues without the need for potentially harmful GMO fearmongering ("we NEED GMOs to feed everyone!").
I think that things like this are why its important we have a functioning government system, why its important to hold elected officials accountable and get sane folks in there who represent our interests. IF HAARP is being used to create earthquakes and disasters, I could see it being used as a strategic weapon to promote american interests without the need for it to be about global depopulation. I think we should be careful about assuming that it is being employed for that purpose.
I'd like to see if we can find more information about HAARP. I don't know enough about it, whether officially or unofficially.
I dont know jack shit about HAARP, but if it exists and is capable of causing earthquakes, i would not support its use.I simply see no stragetic value to be gained in its use. What purpose would we need something like that for?
Well approaching this from the perspective of like the neoconservatives, the people who want an american empire, the idea of having such a powerful terrorist weapon would be appealing in order to induce fear and compliance. Same thing with having hydrogen bombs. They are terrible terrible things when used for military or political purposes, but there are people who would find them valuable from a strategic military perspective. Even if the ability to create earthquakes wherever you want is not actually possible, the impression that you may have such a weapon can be a very powerful thing.
Ok, so apart from military use, if it does indeed have the capability to alter weather patterns or move hurricanes here or there, I could see that being useful for deterring harm from or managing natural weather disasters. Maybe inducing little earthquakes in some places could alleviate pressure that might otherwise mount into very large earthquakes. I don't know. To me it sounds like if it can do all of these things it is alleged to do in the OP, then it is a tool that could plausibly be used for good or ill.
I think we need more information though than what is in this post before coming to any solid conclusions. It is an interesting avenue of thought to pursue and investigate though.
Interesting. I really dont understand the technology behind it but if it could really deter natural distaster then it is cool that it has SOME potential use for good. I wonder what it would do long term to the environment it is used in
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Mumberthrax ago
So my initial reaction to this post was moderate-to-strong skepticism/disbelief. I've heard of HAARP, but have kind of dismissed the conspiracy theories about it as being more along the class-2 theories on the conspiracy theory rating scale. But I started viewing the links in your post. Now I'm not really sure.
I feel that this warrants further investigation, and I'd bump the conspiracy theory up to a class-3. The depopulation quotes are particularly disconcerting.
I think that it is important not to give in to panic and fear, as that can cloud judgment, and a scared people are much easier to manipulate than when they are calm, and too scared people sometimes panic and do harmful things when they are acting on incomplete or incorrect information. We should be careful, cautious, and sort the information out before jumping to the conclusion that most of us will be dead in 20 years due to HAARP and fukushima radiation (or other sources of radiation, like the TSA scanners).
It is a very scary thought, I agree. I like what hans rosling has said about population, about the overpopulation myth. His ted talk about it was pretty enlightening. the notion that as countries have increasing quality of life, families tend to have fewer children, generally one or two, and that based on historical trends it is likely population rates will stabilize in the not-too-distant future as a matter of course. It's comforting. I think, too, that improved agricultural processes, like John Jeavons' Grow Biointensive farming and Paul Stamets ideas about mycorhizal farming would resolve our food supply issues without the need for potentially harmful GMO fearmongering ("we NEED GMOs to feed everyone!").
I think that things like this are why its important we have a functioning government system, why its important to hold elected officials accountable and get sane folks in there who represent our interests. IF HAARP is being used to create earthquakes and disasters, I could see it being used as a strategic weapon to promote american interests without the need for it to be about global depopulation. I think we should be careful about assuming that it is being employed for that purpose.
I'd like to see if we can find more information about HAARP. I don't know enough about it, whether officially or unofficially.
jerry ago
I dont know jack shit about HAARP, but if it exists and is capable of causing earthquakes, i would not support its use.I simply see no stragetic value to be gained in its use. What purpose would we need something like that for?
Mumberthrax ago
Well approaching this from the perspective of like the neoconservatives, the people who want an american empire, the idea of having such a powerful terrorist weapon would be appealing in order to induce fear and compliance. Same thing with having hydrogen bombs. They are terrible terrible things when used for military or political purposes, but there are people who would find them valuable from a strategic military perspective. Even if the ability to create earthquakes wherever you want is not actually possible, the impression that you may have such a weapon can be a very powerful thing.
Ok, so apart from military use, if it does indeed have the capability to alter weather patterns or move hurricanes here or there, I could see that being useful for deterring harm from or managing natural weather disasters. Maybe inducing little earthquakes in some places could alleviate pressure that might otherwise mount into very large earthquakes. I don't know. To me it sounds like if it can do all of these things it is alleged to do in the OP, then it is a tool that could plausibly be used for good or ill.
I think we need more information though than what is in this post before coming to any solid conclusions. It is an interesting avenue of thought to pursue and investigate though.
jerry ago
Interesting. I really dont understand the technology behind it but if it could really deter natural distaster then it is cool that it has SOME potential use for good. I wonder what it would do long term to the environment it is used in