Relating self-worth with accomplishments is a good motivator most of the time. This belief makes for a good social system, which is why it's so prevalent in successful societies. However at the individual level it has festered in some negative ways, especially in light of the economy being so bad.
A need to justify self-worth through accomplishments creates a motivation, it tilts the table toward a certain type of behavior. What is considered an "accomplishment" is decided by the culture, which is often managed by the authority. Completing highschool is an accomplishment. Going to college is an accomplishment. Getting married is an accomplishment. The list of potential accomplishments is endless. Have you been skydiving? Traveled to Europe? Gotten an office job? Bought a new car? You can check off those particular 'accomplishment' boxes, which are provided by our culture.
Accomplishments matter, and they're how we distinguish the good from the bad. So says society and our authorities, and so says our culture. So we believe it ourselves. Our society is competitive, and ranked.
Again, this is a generally good system with generally good results. However in this time of economic turmoil, it creates individuals who are unable to find jobs, because there are simply less jobs than people. These unemployed people now are given this burden of needing to prove their self-worth through alternative means.
If deprived of real work that is regarded as a positive accomplishment, then a person loses their sense of self-worth and can fall in to a depression. This story is extremely common in many western nations today.
I look at the cats laying in the sun. Most animals don't do much all day, and their instincts largely drive their actions. Are they worse off or more unhappy than us because of it? Not usually.
The idea is you are never good enough. Not even to yourself. So in order to stop hating yourself, and to get everyone to stop hating you, you start doing things that society says you should do. You never reach contentment though, because you must always be accomplishing things without end, or else you are considered a failure by society (in your mind) and thus are considered a constant failure to yourself. This is where all the anxiety and depression comes from that is so frequent in our society.
We are unable to sit like the cat in the sun. We are unable to have long stretches of time where we do nothing, and be happy about it. This is our true nature that has been stolen from us. Our ability to enjoy doing nothing. We are constantly made to be in a state of upset, to accomplish the goals of the socio-economic system and the people who run it.
The carrot is self-worth, and the stick is self-hatred. We have internalized these values because they are echoed throughout our society over and over, and we believe them. Ego is a powerful motivator. Especially if this is all you are taught from a very young age.
So we go about, fervently "accomplishing" things, trying to regain a good opinion of ourselves, not ever fully understanding our place in the world. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as it is said. Sometimes the best action to do, is to do nothing. We, and our society, are terrible at doing nothing. We always engage instead of letting go, because of our need to justify our self-worth to ourselves and others by "doing something."
“The Buddha said that suffering was caused by desire, we'd learned, and that the cessation of desire meant the cessation of suffering. When you stopped wishing things wouldn't fall apart, you'd stop suffering when they did.†― John Green
magnora ago
In-group vs out-group divisions, very relevant. If the divide between "our side" and "their side" is too strong, it leads to bent morality. I agree completely.
magnora ago
Because that's what animals generally do, and we were once animals, and now our culture has evolved to be one of near-constant stress.
jeffwingersballs ago
Everyone should always be re-evaluating their life. That's one of the core values of philosophy.
RedditIsPropaganda23 ago
People could be happy if they were present in the moment.
smokratez ago
Sure buddy. I can sit in a room quietly though.
Konran ago
I agree somewhat. I believe life should be about experiences not accomplishments. I also agree that society doesn't really believe this. There is a story from one paragliding pilot I know about a teenage customer who went up in a tandem flight with him and, as is quite usual, took a number of photos of himself with his selfie stick as they were flying. However he then immediately preceded to upload the pictures onto his Facebook and spent the entire flight messaging and chatting with his friends! Ultimately missing the experience he had paid for.
Anyway, from my own personal experience I can relate to what you say a little. I gave up a well-paid job in the UK over 12 years ago and moved to a very poor mountain region in another country in Europe. My idea was to build a house - I wanted to see if I could do it (yes, this can be seen as wanting to accomplish something) and I thought it would be a worthwhile project.
In the process I met the love of my life, learnt a new language, coped with foreign building regulations and general bureacracy, and have started in a new profession of teaching as well.
What I want to say is that my friends and family all thought I was mad, why waste all I had accomplished (degree, mortgaged flat in London, job, car, money) for a silly dream? Well, at times I was tempted to agree with them (especially just before I left and at certain difficult periods thereafter), but in the end it turned out to be one of the best things I could have ever done.
There is another wise phrase that comes to mind after reading your 'All desire is suffering' quote from Buddha, and that is; 'Every day we should try to do something we don't feel inclined to do.'
jeffwingersballs ago
How do you feel about Rand's take of a man without a purpose?
“The most depraved type of human being ... (is) the man without a purpose.”
"The three cardinal values of the Objectivist ethics—the three values which, together, are the means to and the realization of one’s ultimate value, one’s own life—are: Reason, Purpose, Self-Esteem, with their three corresponding virtues: Rationality, Productiveness, Pride.
Productive work is the central purpose of a rational man’s life, the central value that integrates and determines the hierarchy of all his other values. Reason is the source, the precondition of his productive work—pride is the result."
BaconBaconBacon ago
Does why we do something matter as much as what we do?
jeffwingersballs ago
I think so. The motivation is what drives us to do it in the first place and may be necessary to keep doing. At least the things we do without coercion.
magnora ago
Nothing at the root has any purpose, so the desire to "have purpose" is an illusion, perhaps instilled in us by our society via stoking our egos. Suffering isn't necessarily a result of purposelessness.
jeffwingersballs ago
It's not necessarily true that what society tries to instill us is permanent. Some break away and become their own person.
SarMegahhikkitha ago
I think maybe you're using nihilism to supplement the parts of Buddhism you're missing. Nirvana/ego death (and unification with Brahman/collective consciousness) is the ultimate purpose, which involves attaining a state where everything is done for the sake of Heaven/Source (perfect dharma).
magnora ago
But true enlightenment has no grasping, no wanting. This paradox has to be resolved somehow. Maybe nihilism is more valid than you think.
SarMegahhikkitha ago
The abolition of material desire has nothing to do with the abolition of spiritual desire. The spiritual desire (one's transcendent will) has to transition from a desire to receive (selfishness) to a desire to give (selflessness, subsumption of will to Divine Will), which is Buddha nature, equivalence of form with Brahman/Void. Nihilism achieves equivalence of form with the Abyss. Nothing (Source) should not be confused with Nihil (Naraka).
magnora ago
That's interesting, but I've heard buddhist's definition of "clinging" even includes non-material aspects such as clinging to certain ideas or ideologies. Perhaps that is a mistaken view, you've given me something to think about.
bubbleki ago
Drivel. How do you know nothing has purpose? You sound extremely pretentious and pompous when you say stupid shit like that.
cumshartingfaggot ago
Your moms cunt is pompous and pretentious.
leaffur ago
Provide a counter argument instead of insulting his.
Nothing has purpose because nothing matters. There will come a time when you, and anyone who ever knew you will be dead. You will be forgotten, the people you love will be forgotten. This is true for the entirety of the human race. Doomed to oblivion, serving no purpose whatsoever.
You are unimportant. I am unimportant.
bubbleki ago
Live your life as if nothing matters. Including the people you love. Is it cool if your wife gets raped? How about your daughter? Is it cool if your son gets killed in a war? Because its all meaningless right so what does it matter You definitely do not have children and if you do I pity them.
magnora ago
Just because nothing matters don't mean you NEVER REACT TO ANYTHING. These are completely different, most reactions are automatic and don't require "mattering"
cumshartingfaggot ago
Fuck off, faggot.
leaffur ago
Which is it? Do I have kids or don't I? Find out next time when a jackass on the internet pretends to know me while I talk about philosophy.
bubbleki ago
You don't, but in case you fucked a crackwhore and she had a child in secret I was making sure to cover my bases.