Yes. Are you perhaps not too clear on how walls work?
"I don't want to talk to you because it forces me to consider the possibility that I might be wrong waaaah."
Look, I'm saying that because he predicted his death at the hands of the police, it's more likely that it was suicide. And I'm giving you a straightforward way he could have done it himself. The ME's report and subsequent court case will decide the issue. Or have you forgotten that we work by innocent until proven guilty?
Set the house on fire, then stab yourself a few times. The fire makes it harder to see it was a suicide. And the guy's prediction was that he would be killed by the cops, so a gun might have been too obvious.
Is it legitimate or just paranoid delusions is the question im asking. This is gaining a lot of traction so I believe its true, but I dont think its the cops working with the rug cleaning guys in order to kill this paranoid nobody.
Here is the link to the site listed in the article, appears to be his letter documenting it all. it's a bit rambling but here it is. https://archive.is/cBYn0
There is a lot of that shit on Voat, stories from sites that may or may not be some sort of propaganda. I came here for answers, and ffs I want them. Maybe I will go find them myself.... maybe
Don't be so naive. It could have been a burglary that went to the worst. According to FBI Crime Statistics, provided by the City of Fresno, CA, there were 4,721 burglaries in December of 2014. With a population of approximately 509,000, that is about a 1% chance for a person to have their home burglarized in Fresno. I would say that probability is infinitely greater than the ideal of 0%. The burglar could have been confronted by Lang, killed him, and then set the house on fire to try and conceal evidence. There is no doubt with Lang's being stabbed that he was murdered and the fire was to destroy evidence.
Even if Lang was being surveilled, it is unlikely he had any evidence of corruption beyond what was publicly available in newspapers and other media. The article doesn't discuss anything about what he had said publicly; it only says that he regrets it.
One of the side-effects of surveillance is paranoia induced in the target. This can be a useful weapon, but it can also deliver uncontrollable blow-back, i.e. if Lang took things into his own hands. If he was under surveillance, and they did try to make it obvious to him, it was to cause paranoia and probably to establish further grounds to either have him commit a crime and arrest him or to convince a family member or friend to have him committed involuntarily.
It's sad that he was murdered, but without more evidence than the body, it is only speculation as to who killed him and why.
Edit: backnblack92, I can't reply because of downvotes. Voat has a weird system for that. To your point, burglaries do become murders. Which seems more plausible to common sense: he was murdered during a burglary, or there was an actual conspiracy of government and LEO to kill him for saying things? Criminals try to outrun the law all the time. No criminal wants to get caught during or after a crime. Many times they try to hide evidence, and sometimes that includes burning down buildings. Without more evidence, it seems that he was murdered during a burglary, and the murderer tried to destroy the evidence by burning it up. If you have more information besides what the OP contains, please share it.
Edit: ElspethTirel, do you have an argument, or are you just a terrible person in life?
Edit: mleczko, can you specify the clues you are referencing?
Edit: Downvote without comment. At least provide a reason instead of being spineless slaves to the opinion in a groupthought.
Edit: Void_Start, 16 hours old? Name, ok. Shrill? I provided my opinion based on statistics. One reply provided his/her opinion provided with statistics. Seems like good contribution. Thanks for the welcome.
Edit: 2_U, Prove the statistics I used were wrong. Show that they were collected in a biased manner. Every link you posted as evidence are just the opinions of Lang. He speculates that someone was interfering with his life, but he doesn't provide any evidence to support this. Since Lang is the accuser, he holds the burden of proof. This is the same benefit that any defendant enjoys.
Edit: cheetos, ... Are gang violence and crimes relatable to any predictable behavior? Do gangs only target other gangs, or do they prefer an easy victim? Just because it is rare for a burglary to involve arson doesn't mean it never happens. Just because it is rare for a burglary to end in homicide doesn't mean it never happens.
Your somehow forgetting that small but important intervening variable that the sonofabitch predicted he wold be murdered, and a couple of days later he was!!*
Well, you're the voat statistician ... Why don't you do some number crunching and come up with the odds of a civilian in that particular neighborhood could accurately predict that he would be murdered, and then it actually happens a day or or so later?
upvoated for participating actively and intelligently to the conversation. Weather or not I agree with you doesn't matter. I think your argument was well written and brought some valid points.
fuckingkike ago
Yes. Are you perhaps not too clear on how walls work?
"I don't want to talk to you because it forces me to consider the possibility that I might be wrong waaaah."
Look, I'm saying that because he predicted his death at the hands of the police, it's more likely that it was suicide. And I'm giving you a straightforward way he could have done it himself. The ME's report and subsequent court case will decide the issue. Or have you forgotten that we work by innocent until proven guilty?
greycloud ago
whats wrong with hookers?
fuckingkike ago
I can reach my upper back. Can't you reach yours?
fuckingkike ago
Set the house on fire, then stab yourself a few times. The fire makes it harder to see it was a suicide. And the guy's prediction was that he would be killed by the cops, so a gun might have been too obvious.
fuckingkike ago
When you can predict your own death, the likeliest cause is suicide.
antiplebbitor ago
Yeah. The good ol' fashioned and world-renown "self-inflicted two to the back of the head" suicide method...
New_years_day ago
If anything I would say the are trying to take lime light from Oregon.
pray_the_gay_away ago
Source for the Russian thing?
mleczko ago
We'll protect you when we'll find you. Just come out.
Citizen.
imnotabicycle ago
Police assisted suicide.
Pm-me-your-boobs ago
Is it legitimate or just paranoid delusions is the question im asking. This is gaining a lot of traction so I believe its true, but I dont think its the cops working with the rug cleaning guys in order to kill this paranoid nobody.
Sikozen ago
The police are investigating themselves? So! Last we hear of this story i suppose....
Toska ago
I'm kind of surprised he didn't get shot in the back during a routine traffic stop.
dirkgently ago
Since I find this story interesting and I want more info I have compiled a few links. One is to a more in depth story from another site. http://thefreethoughtproject.com/activist-stabbed-death-house-set-fire-predicted-cops-kill/
Here is the link to the site listed in the article, appears to be his letter documenting it all. it's a bit rambling but here it is. https://archive.is/cBYn0
Here is most of what is in the archive link above but a little easier to read and with the videos embedded. http://fresnopeoplesmedia.com/2016/01/2829/
antiplebbitor ago
Piece of shit clickbait site with intrusive ads. No idea what the story said since I literally was not able to get that far on mobile.
dirkgently ago
There is a lot of that shit on Voat, stories from sites that may or may not be some sort of propaganda. I came here for answers, and ffs I want them. Maybe I will go find them myself.... maybe
luckyguy ago
Here is the source. It is better with a lot more information. http://fresnopeoplesmedia.com/2016/01/2829/
Carpet place definitely doesnt exist at any of the addresses provided.
ThisWeirdIndividual ago
lol
TrevorLahey ago
"He fell onto some fire and it stabbed him."
ambissinistro ago
Cold blooded murder that goes right above the law and decency
Laurentius_the_pyro ago
We the police have found the police free of any wrongdoing and in need of a new expresso machine.
antiplebbitor ago
And a cappuccino machine.
The old one isn't shiny enough now.
pray_the_gay_away ago
High five!
bddb ago
Don't be so naive. It could have been a burglary that went to the worst. According to FBI Crime Statistics, provided by the City of Fresno, CA, there were 4,721 burglaries in December of 2014. With a population of approximately 509,000, that is about a 1% chance for a person to have their home burglarized in Fresno. I would say that probability is infinitely greater than the ideal of 0%. The burglar could have been confronted by Lang, killed him, and then set the house on fire to try and conceal evidence. There is no doubt with Lang's being stabbed that he was murdered and the fire was to destroy evidence.
Even if Lang was being surveilled, it is unlikely he had any evidence of corruption beyond what was publicly available in newspapers and other media. The article doesn't discuss anything about what he had said publicly; it only says that he regrets it.
One of the side-effects of surveillance is paranoia induced in the target. This can be a useful weapon, but it can also deliver uncontrollable blow-back, i.e. if Lang took things into his own hands. If he was under surveillance, and they did try to make it obvious to him, it was to cause paranoia and probably to establish further grounds to either have him commit a crime and arrest him or to convince a family member or friend to have him committed involuntarily.
It's sad that he was murdered, but without more evidence than the body, it is only speculation as to who killed him and why.
Edit: backnblack92, I can't reply because of downvotes. Voat has a weird system for that. To your point, burglaries do become murders. Which seems more plausible to common sense: he was murdered during a burglary, or there was an actual conspiracy of government and LEO to kill him for saying things? Criminals try to outrun the law all the time. No criminal wants to get caught during or after a crime. Many times they try to hide evidence, and sometimes that includes burning down buildings. Without more evidence, it seems that he was murdered during a burglary, and the murderer tried to destroy the evidence by burning it up. If you have more information besides what the OP contains, please share it.
Edit: ElspethTirel, do you have an argument, or are you just a terrible person in life?
Edit: mleczko, can you specify the clues you are referencing?
Edit: Downvote without comment. At least provide a reason instead of being spineless slaves to the opinion in a groupthought.
Edit: Void_Start, 16 hours old? Name, ok. Shrill? I provided my opinion based on statistics. One reply provided his/her opinion provided with statistics. Seems like good contribution. Thanks for the welcome.
Edit: 2_U, Prove the statistics I used were wrong. Show that they were collected in a biased manner. Every link you posted as evidence are just the opinions of Lang. He speculates that someone was interfering with his life, but he doesn't provide any evidence to support this. Since Lang is the accuser, he holds the burden of proof. This is the same benefit that any defendant enjoys.
Edit: cheetos, ... Are gang violence and crimes relatable to any predictable behavior? Do gangs only target other gangs, or do they prefer an easy victim? Just because it is rare for a burglary to involve arson doesn't mean it never happens. Just because it is rare for a burglary to end in homicide doesn't mean it never happens.
cumshartingfaggot ago
Your somehow forgetting that small but important intervening variable that the sonofabitch predicted he wold be murdered, and a couple of days later he was!!*
bddb ago
Has nothing to do with it. That is just sensationalist media capturing readers.
cumshartingfaggot ago
I wonder what the odds are that a man posts on the internet that he will be murdered, and then it actually happens...
Whatta ya think? A hundred million to one? A billion to one?
bddb ago
Coincidence. What is the evidence? Who are the witnesses?
cumshartingfaggot ago
Well, you're the voat statistician ... Why don't you do some number crunching and come up with the odds of a civilian in that particular neighborhood could accurately predict that he would be murdered, and then it actually happens a day or or so later?
bddb ago
Ad hominems aren't necessary and don't progress your argument.
Do you disagree with justice for Lang and finding the murderer?
peripatetic ago
upvoated for participating actively and intelligently to the conversation. Weather or not I agree with you doesn't matter. I think your argument was well written and brought some valid points.
mleczko ago
erm, they guy gave away quite a few clues, no?
ElspethTirel ago
Go fuck yourself.
Sciency ago
Theyre not even bothering to make the hits look like suicides anymore. What a time to be alive...
mleczko ago
Lol, true. Americans are truly like cattle nowadays.
Chicken_Wing ago
kek