I moved to Voat because of the censorship and full-blown SJW ideology on Reddit.
When I first started, it was amazing.
Now everytime I post I am downvoted like crazy. As we all know, I don't care about the downvotes, but rather, the racism and other views that seem to dominate every sub now.
To be clear, I am all about free speech. I support the right to write racist (or whatever) comments.
However, what scares me is how the majority of Voat seems to now agree with some of these views. It is very suspicious and it was not this way before.
To me, it was done on purpose. Reddit is full swing SJW. Voat started out moderate, but now it is just another extreme.
Think about news. It's either extremely conservative or extremely liberal. It's as if 'they' don't want you to have any moderate news source. Why?
It keeps people divided. It keeps things emotionally motivated. And it gives you a false sense of what's really going on.
So, in this Internet culture, you can now be offended by everything, or on the other side of things, you can blame everything on minorities.
In reality, it's all much more complex than that.
The conspiracy is that Reddit (or whoever controls things) let Voat prosper as long as extremist views were promoted. Moderate news will make people think and care about each other. We have to keep hating each other!!
I hope I'm making sense. I'm venting because voat was my last hope. If you don't believe me, check my post history.
I now believe that free speech is really gone. Sure, say what you want, but every online tactic has been made to silence you.
So here I am. Back on the conspiracy part of Voat, just like I was with Reddit when it all began.
Edit: there is still good on Voat, but I have a prediction that will continue to fade. And I don't think it's just a matter of it getting bigger
Edit 2: I honestly learned a lot from this discussion. I am glad most were respectful and I definitely am thinking a lot.
I realize that I do have a lot of up votes in my post history, but I spent nearly on this summer on Voat. I noticed the shift recently and have not commented as much and have deleted stuff. So sorry if that is misleading
A lot of people tell me I must be the change. Agreed.
A lot of people said they felt similarly. That's nice to know I'm not alone.
Thanks for letting me have a voice.
As 017c explains, "It feels a bit too sudden and too organized.
The amount of UK slang and the fact that every website links to UK nationalist party also makes me a bit suspicious. The again next general election is years out. Maybe a organized push of right with groups in Europe in general? Or a false flag operation?
It just feels all too sudden and too organized to be just people switching from Reddit to Voat."
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lystmord ago
Wait a minute. TPTB are hiding moderate points of view?
I'm sorry, but this may just be the stupidest "conspiracy" I've ever heard. "Neither pure capitalism or pure socialism work well on their own, the bulk of MSM is just sort of lazily researched for a paycheck, green ketchup actually didn't taste weird - it was your perception. THE PUBLIC MUST NOT KNOW." Oh my god, you can't be serious.
Look, you say you don't like us icky raycists being here because we all need to hug and care about and help each other. Disregarding for the moment the question about if your impulse here is really a good one...
...What makes you seriously believe that your views help anything?
Masturbation might feel nice, but it has never gotten anything productive done - and it certainly doesn't improve relations with people outside of yourself. You don't have to like that racial differences are biological reality; but the weight of evidence is going to come crashing down on our heads sooner or later. The egalitarian rhetoric gets more frantic with every passing year, and there's a reason for that.
Fact of the matter is, the single most important factor for the quality of our societies is IQ - and not every group actually has the same amount of smarts. (YES, IQ tests measure something "real," and no, IQ tests are NOT significantly culturally biased. This is normally the part where I link to an article where an IQ researcher explains that believing otherwise is scientifically illiterate, but I just discovered the site the article is hosted on is temporarily down. Here's the link anyway for when it's back up. Wayback can't archive it, unfortunately.)
I've said this before, but for whites and East Asians to do ANYTHING but support implementation of eugenic policies for the rest of the peoples of the world - less intellectually blessed by natural evolution - is nothing BUT masturbating over our cognitive superiority. "Oh dear, however can we help these poor people! Oh, hey, Head Start!" Fucking embarrassing.
You're a teacher? You should really know the history of educational reform, and the many, many decades of its utter failure to close black-white "achievement gaps." Nothing but "rescue the little black chilluns" masturbation on the part of whites.
Because I am a White Nationalist, a race realist, and someone who participates in forums like v/Niggers, I am frequently accused of "hating" non-white people. I don't hate anyone. I know black people on social media who I talk to every day about this stuff. They agree with us at v/Niggers - racial differences are biological reality, and social "anti-racist" liberalism is more an exercise for white people to feel better about themselves than it is to "help" anything. It is also a good path to tank Western civilization and to threaten one of the more productive groups of the world - whites - with total demographic replacement. They are perfectly well aware that their people are in BIG TROUBLE without us around because blacks as a whole cannot reproduce the bounty of the West on their own. They also know their people will not implement any eugenics programs on their own - they are dependent on groups like whites forcing the bulk of blacks into it - and that without our help, they will be at the mercy of natural evolution to make them a peoples who can ever go to the moon...or not.
They would turn up their nose at your kumbaya-ism. Really what's so "caring" about your position, which leaves the Sun peoples of the world in the mud?
polkadotgirl ago
http://web.stanford.edu/group/scspi/issue_race_ethnicity.html
lystmord ago
WTF was that reply? What are you trying to say? Lady, if you're trying to suggest I need to read more on the subject of race, I can give you a book list long as your arm to get YOU started.
Also, please don't link me to something that advocates race-mixing in any way. I ain't got time for the destruction of my people via miscegenation.
polkadotgirl ago
Of biased sources that support your agenda? Ok.
I'm marrying a native guy by the way and I'm white. Does that offend you?
Please get out of white suburbia and see the world.
And yes, this is an insulting comment because you are so stuck in your ways nothing will change your mind.
lystmord ago
LOL, are you seriously jumping straight to the suggestion that I was raised a racist and have never known any non-white people? Did my comment really fucking threaten you so much that you aren't even going to engage, but go straight to that? Holy shit, that's pathetic.
For the record, I was raised by leftists. I also spent 15 years on the radical left as a semi-Afrocentric "anti-racist" activist, and most of my friends at the time were either black or equally radical whites. I did a 180 for a reason. Believe me, my mind can be changed.
And yeah, it's disgusting that you're marrying a native guy. But from the sounds of it, you're too insistent on being a weak link to be a loss.
polkadotgirl ago
So then what changed your mind? You should at least tell me. I want the entire story.
I'm not threatened. I don't feel threatened. You have a right to hate whoever you want. You have a right to think my marriage is disgusting.
I just think it's really sad that (and here is my teacher in me) that you could look at children and really believe that some children are inferior to others because of their race. I don't know. I guess that's just hard for me to understand.
With that being said, my experience with children (a whole diversity) has shown that not to be the case. In fact, I have not seen 'white' children to be smarter than any other race or even more exceptional.
Still, I'm sure you can link to IQ studies, but there are flaws with those. However, I will say I have been tested and have a high IQ. I'm not sure what I think of the tests.
As for test scores, there are so many issues with test scores that this wouldn't even become a subject of race. It would be come something entirely different. But let me tell you this, the test scores are making even the white kids look stupid these days. And they're not.
lystmord ago
It's a lengthy story; I had to become disillusioned with liberalism first. That story is in my recent comment history. You can pick it to death if you want, I guess. It's not complete, I admit; I get asked to tell the story a lot, and I think I focus on different aspects every time.
But ultimately, I changed my mind because I believe the science. Like I said, the idea that g exists and that IQ tests are not biased is accepted science. It is currently believed that genetics account for ~80% of the variation in IQs between people. For the large racial IQ gaps to fall entirely within the 20% that is environmental is simply not plausible to me. Indeed, we have only been able to manipulate environment enough to raise IQ by about 3 points. It's not enough. Transracial adoption studies suggest that all but a few points of the black-white gap in particular are genetic.
Many people perceive non-white (and non-Asian) children to be brighter than tests show them to actually be. Arthur Jensen wrote about believing himself that the black children he tested were of normal IQ, and finding their real scores baffling. Only many years of consistent results convinced him his own research was not flawed. We do, after all, have the corroborating evidence that IQ scores are some of the most valid and reliable instruments we have to predict life outcomes. So believe what you want; reality marches on without you.
And really, the whole history of the world makes significantly more sense when you understand this. Without that part of the puzzle, the differences in cultural achievement between peoples is puzzling, and require all manner of convoluted rationalizations to explain.
I already explained to you that I don't hate anyone. You are choosing not to believe me, but recognize that's on you.
I think reproductive race-mixing is disgusting for the same reason that I think everything from book-burning to murder is disgusting; you are destroying something unique and special. I have less quarrel with you if you do not have children with your husband, because that is less destructive...more just not actively productive. I do think it's sad that you specifically chose to be with a guy from a peoples already on the verge of extinction.
Finally, your comments about children being "inferior," are a mere appeal to emotion. I think all human life has value, and I find all children quite adorable and precious. But I don't pretend they don't differ in ability on an individual level. How is this different on a group level?
The world is simply not fair. It sucks, but ignoring it changes nothing.
polkadotgirl ago
Let's say this.
If your IQ research is correct (I'd have to look into it), why does that account for racism?
For example, I work with special ed. white students who may be dumber than others, but they still deserve dignity and respect because it is beyond their control.
If what you say is true, it is beyond the control of the people.
lystmord ago
I don't even know how to reply to this. Your comment seems to be full of assumptions about how I treat people, and I'm largely stuck for an answer without unpacking that.
"Racism," to me, means a recognition of racial differences, and a natural, innate preference for your own people. I see nothing wrong with that. Also, it has nothing to do with dignity one way or the other.
Your sped students may not be able to help it; but I'm pretty sure you don't use that as a justification to treat them as if they were GATE students. That would actually be unfair to them, and a waste of your time.
polkadotgirl ago
I do though. I treat all my students with dignity and respect. Do I teach them the same way? No. But I treat them the same way. I guess I'm asking how you treat people based on their differences.
I don't think that's what the common definition of racism means. The problem is, you are only doing half of the racism thing:
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
So, I agree, perhaps there are characteristics of certain races (perhaps), but I don't agree with the second part. Do you?
My Native fiancé is extremely stoic and it is part of his race. However, he is NOT inferior to me.
lystmord ago
P.S. Earlier, you demonstrated no interest in the book I linked. Here is an article by the same author on the same topic.
polkadotgirl ago
Ok thanks. I will definitely look at it and give you my thoughts.
lystmord ago
No, frankly, you cannot possibly treat them the same way. You could walk up to a GATE student and ask them for their views on the next election. Would you do that with a Sped student? Doubt it. If you did, would you be expecting to engage them on similar levels? Obviously not.
Basically you're just asking, "are you a meanie to people," and I just kind of find that a tiresome question to always be fielding. I honestly feel like I've essentially already answered that in other responses I've already given, e.g.:
Presumably I'm not a random jerk to blacks I talk to daily.
Presumably all my social skills revolving around getting along with non-whites didn't fly out the window after that.
I guess I need to make it explicit that I also think Natives are a unique peoples who should be preserved if it's still possible?
Do I have to interpret this for you?
It's sort of like you have this image of me in a white hood and swastika armband in your head, and nothing I actually SAY can alter the straw image you're picturing. I'm getting pretty used to that, unfortunately - I have run into this a lot. I don't know, is this media brainwashing about what a "racist" is? I will get into conversations with people and seem to be making SOME progress, and then they will suddenly devolve out of the blue into demanding to know why I hate "different skin colors." I will bring them back from that nonsense...and then it will happen again, with the same person. And so on and so forth. I just don't know how to combat it at this point. Maybe it would help to just not be a faceless username on the internet, because I don't seem to have these issues in person...only online, where people can't see my behaviour or hear my voice talk about this stuff.
If you agree with the first part, I'm afraid you've actually ALREADY agreed with the second part.
It is not possible, after all, for the races to differ in levels of intelligence, and not therefore have races be cognitively superior or inferior to one another.
East Asians are the most cognitively superior race on average.
Whites have a larger spread to our bell curve and thus have a superior number of geniuses compared to other races. (We don't have the highest number of low-IQ people because of the more leftward bell curve of other races, although we would if the racial averages were the same.)
Blacks have superior physiology for running (several differences in musculature and bone structure lead to them having more efficient and powerful running strides), and thus are also superior at sprinting and various other sports (see: basketball) that require sudden bursts of speed.
East Asians have the lowest crime rates, planet-wide, and are superior at being law-abiding and non-violent.
Whites and East Asians have developed the most superior civilizations on the planet by many measures people often agree are important.
Blacks have greater fertility, shorter gestation periods, faster rates of physical maturation and are overall superior at reproducing (at least, if you remove abortion or rampant disease from the equation).
...If you can agree with ANY of that, then you are already ranking the races.
Since the races are all better at different things, they are "inferior or superior to another race or races" in some respect or another. No race is superior at everything; but that would make them a supreme race. I'm not seeing a requirement for a belief in a supreme race in that definition.
Also, belief in a supreme race is rare. I do occasionally meet a person who believes in a supreme race; but those people are fringe kooks even amongst proud racists and nationalists. If that's what's required to be "racist," virtually no one is racist. And clearly, it is still not acceptable even to rank the races on individual attributes. Even around blacks in sports, we get weird about it.
What you seem to be talking about - whether one race is "inferior" in some gestalt sense because their race ranks low on several attributes we value - is almost a spiritual question, I think, and sort of outside the scope of what race realists talk about. It's basically up to you to decide that.