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truf_tales ago

what's the sun symbol about?

LexOrandiLexCredendi ago

If you look closely, you'll see that it's a symbol of the names of Jesus Christ (or IHS). The sun image is there because Jesus is the Light of the World.

Certain stupid people believe it's either some "sekkrit Illuminati code", or stands for the Egyptian sun god and the letters mean "Isis, Horus, and Set", never mind that the Egyptians didn't use the Phoenician/Latin alphabet.

Further baffling about this image is why it's situated next to Goebbels and Himmler.

j3wish_fabl3s ago

so worshipping the sun on sun-day is like worshipping Jesus?

LexOrandiLexCredendi ago

Before I spend time and effort on a (more or less) theologically correct response: do you actually want a reply, or are you just being a trolling douchebag?

j3wish_fabl3s ago

go for it

LexOrandiLexCredendi ago

First, about worshiping on Sunday: The reason that Christians worship on the first day of the week goes back to the beginning of the faith. The idea is that Christ's Resurrection began a New Creation, and so we worship the Creator on that day.

Second, it depends what you mean by "sun god". If, by that term, you mean a being above whom there can be no other, who has no beginning or end, from whom all things come... then that is the One God mentioned in Scripture, even if it is an imperfect or unclear idea of God. Many of the ancients saw that if one being was referred to as a god among other gods, than that being was not all powerful and could not be worshiped, but that if we are to worship a divine being, it must be beyond our comprehension and not simply an exalted man.

Man can, however, know that there is a Creator by his own intellect, and this is how and why so many ancient cultures had similar concepts of a single creator god. Unfortunately, because our intellect is limited we can only know so much by reason alone, and so we see that addition of a wife and children of this creator god and the God of the Universe then becomes one among many.

A potential objection to this is that Christians worship Jesus as the "Son of God", but what we mean by this is far different than what was meant by Thor being the son of Odin. When we refer to the Triune God, Jesus is begotten by the Father and not created or made, and the love between them begets the Spirit... but all three Persons exist as one God, or the Trinity

j3wish_fabl3s ago

what's the name and gender of your god?

LexOrandiLexCredendi ago

God has no sex. God is depicted as male in Scripture because He created the universe outside of Himself and for a myriad of other reasons, but is not male or female as we would understand it.

As for the name of God, in Scripture, He refers to Himself as "I Am Who Am". Any other name is one given either through divine inspiration or out of our attempt to grasp that which we cannot understand. The best work on this topic is probably On the Divine Names, written by one of the Fathers of the Church, Dionysius.

j3wish_fabl3s ago

is Jesus the only way to God?

LexOrandiLexCredendi ago

If by "coming to God", you mean Salvation, then all Salvation comes through Jesus Christ and by extension through the Church He founded when He told Peter: "You are Peter and on this Rock I will build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it".

If, on the other hand, you mean "How does man know God exists?", then we can reach that through human reason.

For example: the universe exists. Something cannot come from nothing, therefore all that exists came from something which cannot exist within the universe which is created. The thing from which all things came is what all men call God.

j3wish_fabl3s ago

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF3tL0M8wqQ

LexOrandiLexCredendi ago

Traditional Catholics are well aware of the problems within, but it does not nullify the Church or its mission, nor does it remove the necessity of the Church for salvation.

To anyone familiar with traditional Catholicism, those who hold and evangelize false teaching stand out like a sore thumb... even if it comes from a Pope who is a master of "weaponized ambiguity". We were also promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church, even if the future Church does not resemble the present Church in anything but the Sacraments.

j3wish_fabl3s ago

whatever makes you feel better, our Father is not a she and there is nothing in the Bible that your universal church is necessary for salvation

LexOrandiLexCredendi ago

Never said God was a "she", but rather must transcend human sex. God is a Father, but not in the sense that He has a penis or chromosomes.

The Bible would not exist if not for the liturgy of the Church. The Bible as we know it is the result of centuries of liturgical tradition; the Canon of Scripture didn't fall out of the sky, but stems from Church Tradition. Scripture must also have an interpretive Tradition which is passed down from the early Church and is refined through councils and treatises or else you end up with whatever nonsense you believe.

j3wish_fabl3s ago

Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

LexOrandiLexCredendi ago

Chapter and verse? Because I'm pretty sure that's St. Paul talking about the Judaizers and not traditions of the Church.