My idea would be that since jews (high level ones) came out of egypt, according to them, they are part of freemasons w/ their all seeing eye and pyramid symbols. Then I've heard of a german secret society. And there's a pagan one.. (vatican church), which likes the baphomet.
Will these groups ever cease to exist, or whats going to happen with these groups? Are there other ones? Whats their plan?
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70times7 ago
Cause as many as they can to lose salvation.
TwitterBannedIt ago
This is where the doctrine loses me, when it expects me to ignore that this makes no sense.
How is that profitable for humans, if inhuman or spiritual, then how would such an entity profit? Genuinely troubled by those questions and the assertions made.
70times7 ago
This is where what doctrine loses you?
TwitterBannedIt ago
The doctrine you were describing when you said that there exist people that wish to cause others to lose salvation. The Christian Doctrine. A fine one as far as they go, but the notion of desiring another to lose some abstract concept of salvation, seems rather silly and fantasy driven.
70times7 ago
Was speaking of baphomet worshipers the op talked about. The illuminati, skull n bones, free masonry etc.
Those groups goal, is to deceive mankind into losing their salvation.
Not sure how you brought that around to "doctrine".
TwitterBannedIt ago
While it is easy and readily obvious that those groups deceive, I am fairly certain they do so to attain things that are much more tangible than the 'spiritual trolling' you have described.
70times7 ago
It is a controversy. Between God and satan. Satan hates God and his law. So he does what he can to make everyone break it as often as they can.
As a spit in Gods face.
Revealing occult knowledge to these groups which they then disseminate to the masses to put then and keep them in spiritual bondage.
That is my understanding of it anyway.
TwitterBannedIt ago
Ok thats fine and good, but how does one avoid the very logical question of why anyone should care about these two entities. Or why God would care, he's literally God, and why would this one thing in particular be the battle fodder, the stakes. None of it make any logical sense.
These stories made God and Satan sound like angry quarreling children and we are just supposed to accept that as the totality of how reality genuinely is.... come on...
70times7 ago
If the perspective one looks at the "stories" is approached from the wrong angle, it can look like fantasy.
Just like advance medicine, propulsion, computer tech and other things can look like fantasy.
The main crux here when boiled down, is "if" there is an all powerful God and one of His creation turned on him, and is in the process of destroying everything good and pure, then "why" does this God not simply destroy the bad egg and restore everything to its perfect state. Why let all of creation be infected? And for so long?
Another way to word it is, why does God let "sin" exist?
A fair question. And when approached from the wrong angle, the story sounds like it must be fiction.
Like any other thing, if investigated fully the truth tends to present itself.
If you read this short study of that very question, I guarantee you will see the matter differently. Regardless of your beliefs.
https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/84.68