Mercury is not used in vaccines. A preservative that has mercury in the molecule is frequently used as a preservative yes, it's an antibiotic. Saying vaccines have mercury is like saying salt has sodium.
Eat sodium, you die. Eat table salt you don't.
Eat mercury you die. Eat Mercury((o-carboxyphenyl)thio)ethyl sodium salt you don't.
I can't take anybody seriously that doesn't get that basic fact.
And just because the mercury in thimerosal is part of a larger molecule that acts as a preservative, does not mean it's harmless. There are thimerosal free vaccines, I get them for my pets. Thimerosal is not needed to stabilize a vaccine.
The first vaccines also didn't have the toxic adjuvants that today's vaccines have. The original science behind how vaccines work has been discarded and replaced with adjuvant quackery. This is why virtually every breakout is from vaccinated victims.
If you're not the kind of idiot to think dangerous chemical=dangerous compound. I doubt most aren't.
Also, your analogy sucks
Not mine.
When people seek to reduce their sodium intake, they usually try to limit their salt consumption, because they recognize that salt is a source of sodium.
The issue is most people are too uneducated to know Sodium is dangerous. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Just because the mercury in thimerosal is part of a larger molecule that acts as a "preservative", does not mean it's harmless.
And just because the molecule has Mercury in it, doesn't mean it's dangerous.
You have provided zero evidence or proof of any kind to support your position that mercury is harmless when part of a larger molecule. Feel free to at any time.
Not mine.
So, stop using it. It's a terrible analogy... It disproves the point you're trying to make and makes you look stupid.
The issue is most people are too uneducated to know Sodium is dangerous. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
I could say the exact same thing about mercury... especially when it's delivered intravenously by way of vaccine. If I wanted to reduce/avoid mercury consumption, one of the things I would definitely not do is get mercury laced Trojan horse vaccines injected into my bloodstream, even if the mercury in them was part of a larger molecule. Ya know, just to be on the safe side.
An ad hom would be pointing out that you don't need to be listened to because people like you are exactly the reason I said it was misleading. Pointing out that people are ignorant of basic Chemistry is just a statement of fact.
You have provided zero evidence or proof of any kind to support your position that mercury is harmless when part of a larger molecule. Feel free to at any time.
Did you read through that link you sent me? It's super long, but it does an excellent job of disproving your point about thimerosal not necessarily being dangerous.
You said:
just because the molecule has Mercury in it, doesn't mean it's dangerous.
And that link you provided said:
Ten of 13 infants exposed to topical applications of a thimerosal tincture 0.1% for the treatment of exomphalos died.
...10 out of 13, dead. As an aside, wtf kind of bullshit parents would agree to submit their infant children to such a study?
From that link, here are a couple examples of fucked up vaccines killing people because they contained lethal doses of mercury in the form of thimerosal... which means thimerosal is hardly harmless:
Six cases of severe mercury poisoning resulting in four deaths were reported following the intramuscular administration of chloramphenicol preserved with thimerosal. A manufacturing error resulted in each vial containing 510 mg of thimerosal instead of 0.51 mg per vial. Extensive tissue necrosis was noted at the site of injection in all patients. Fever, altered mental status, slurred speech, and ataxia were noted.
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Several cases of acute mercury poisoning from thimerosal-containing products were found in the medical literature with total doses of thimerosal ranging from approximately 3 mg/kg to several hundred mg/kg. These reports included the administration of immune globulin (gamma globulin) and hepatitis B immune globulin, choramphenicol formulated with 1000 times the proper dose of thimerosal as a preservative
Not worth the risk if you ask me. The people who didn't die after receiving this accidentally high dose are not mentioned, I suspect they were pretty fucked up by it too.
This list just keeps going (thanks for the link btw, I've saved it for future debates on this issue)...
An 18 month old girl died of mercury poisoning following irrigations with an otic solution containing 0.1% thimerosal and 0.14% sodium borate. A total of 1.2 liters of solution (500 mg mercury) had been instilled over a 4 week period.
Sure doesn't sound very harmless...
5 infants, 2 female and 3 male, ranging in age from 7 to 28 months and affected by atopic dermatitis (AD) diagnosed according to the Hanifin and Rajka criteria, experienced an exacerbation of their clinical condition 2-10 days after mandatory vaccinations with vaccines containing thimerosal.
Yay for mandatory vaccinations! What could possibly go wrong?
To assess the possible toxicity of thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs) among infants, a 2-phased retrospective cohort study was conducted using computerized health maintenance organization (HMO) databases. Phase I screened for associations between neurodevelopmental disorders and thimerosal exposure among 124 170 infants who were born during 1992 to 1999 at 2 HMOs (A and B). In phase II, the most common disorders associated with exposure in phase I were reevaluated among 16 717 children who were born during 1991 to 1997 in another HMO (C). Relative risks for neurodevelopmental disorders were calculated per increase of 12.5 micro g of estimated cumulative mercury exposure from TCVs in the first, third, and seventh months of life. In phase I at HMO A, cumulative exposure at 3 months resulted in a significant positive association with tics (relative risk [RR]: 1.89; 95% confidence interval [CI]: 1.05-3.38). At HMO B, increased risks of language delay were found for cumulative exposure at 3 months (RR: 1.13; 95% CI: 1.01-1.27) and 7 months (RR: 1.07; 95% CI: 1.01-1.13). In phase II at HMO C, no significant associations were found.
Yeah, that sounds harmful.
We were initially highly skeptical that differences in the concentrations of thimerosal in vaccines would have any effect on the incidence rate of neurodevelopmental disorders after childhood immunization. This study presents the first epidemiologic evidence, based upon tens of millions of doses of vaccine administered in the United States, that associates increasing thimerosal from vaccines with neurodevelopmental disorders. Specifically, an analysis of the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) database showed statistical increases in the incidence rate of autism (relative risk [RR] = 6.0), mental retardation (RR = 6.1), and speech disorders (RR = 2.2) after thimerosal-containing diphtheria, tetanus, and acellular pertussis (DTaP) vaccines in comparison with thimerosal-free DTaP vaccines. The male/female ratio indicated that autism (17) and speech disorders (2.3) were reported more in males than females after thimerosal-containing DTaP vaccines, whereas mental retardation (1.2) was more evenly reported among male and female vaccine recipients. Controls were employed to determine if biases were present in the data, but none were found. It was determined that overall adverse reactions were reported in similar-aged populations after thimerosal-containing DTaP (2.4 +/- 3.2 years old) and thimerosal-free DTaP (2.1 +/- 2.8 years old) vaccinations. Acute control adverse reactions such as deaths (RR = 1.0), vasculitis (RR = 1.2), seizures (RR = 1.6), ED visits (RR = 1.4), total adverse reactions (RR = 1.4), and gastroenteritis (RR = 1.1) were reported similarly after thimerosal-containing and thimerosal-free DTaP vaccines. An association between neurodevelopmental disorders and thimerosal-containing DTaP vaccines was found.
What were you trying to accomplish with that link? I barely got 25% into before seeing enough evidence to demonstrate that thimerosal is harmful. Fuck, even just the first study on the list shows that.
Have you heard of the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide?
I actually went back halfway through writing to tell you this: You have no talent for this "science" thing. Remember when I said "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"? This is what I mean. You don't have the intelligence, the education, or the attitude needed to assess any of this properly. Every second you spent reading this link just made you dumber. You'd literally have been better off just never hearing about thimerosal in the first place as things stand.
Did you read through that link you sent me? It's super long, but it does an excellent job of disproving your point about thimerosal not necessarily being dangerous.
I specifically described the LD50 of the chemical. You clearly don't know what that is. LD 50 is the dosage at which anyone exposed to a given chemical has a 50% chance of dying. This is expressed as a dosage per kilogram (2.204 lbs) of body weight.
You're exposed to far more toxic things on a daily basis for far more trivial reasons. Example? Capsaicin.
, A.K.A. "That stuff that makes food spicy". With an LD50 of 47.2 mg per kg, it's twice as lethal as thimerosal, and a whopping 1.275x less lethal than cholecalciferol, A.K.A. Vitamin D, whose LD50 is 37mg/kg. Did any of this worry you on taco night? What about when you were out. In the sun? Do you smoke? Nicotine has an LD50 of 13mg/kg at the highest.
Literally everything kills you; even water. The devil's in the dosage.
...10 out of 13, dead. As an aside, wtf kind of bullshit parents would agree to submit their infant children to such a study?
It's an antiseptic. The babies were being treated for exomphalos; their guys were.literally spilling out of them through the umbilical cord. Do you just imagine some mad scientist walking up to parents like "YESSS MY DEAR. WE WILL EZPOSE THEM TO MORE AND MORE MERCURY UNTIL THEY DIEEEEE MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA"?
From that link, here are a couple examples of fucked up vaccines killing people because they contained lethal doses of mercury in the form of thimerosal... which means thimerosal is hardly harmless:
I think most people would die if they accidentally took 100x more of anything all at once. If you disagree, go ahead and chug an extra 99 glasses of water next time you're thirsty. Tell me how that goes for you.
Sure doesn't sound very harmless...
Her ears were being irrigated, and it turns out she had tympanostomies. Thanks to those, she swallowed the solution and, after weeks of continuous exposure, finally died. I too would die if I was exposed to uncontrolled doses of any chemical over a month.
Yay for mandatory vaccinations! What could possibly go wrong?
Oh no some kids got a slightly worse rash after getting life-saving vaccines, and maybe the thimerosal had something to do with it.
Just like with that link you provided, condescending to me will never make you right... You say I have no talent for this science stuff, while you attempt to support your claim that thimerosal is harmless with a link to a hundred studies proving it to be harmful, and simultaneously ignore all that research, which you brought into this discussion, so that you can try to make a point about thimerosal's LD50.
IT'S LD50 IS IRRELEVANT YOU FUCKING CUNT
Your original claim was that it wasn't dangerous. Here's what you said, just in case you forgot:
just because the molecule has Mercury in it, doesn't mean it's dangerous.
You proved yourself wrong when you posted that link, but are now trying to move the goal posts. Something can be dangerous or harmful at doses that are not lethal. Even minor brain damage still qualifies as harm. An alergic reaction, even if it's just a rash PROVES that thimerosal is in fact harmful, and thus dangerous. The last study I quoted in my previous comment demonstrated that normal amounts of thimerosal found in vaccines were connected to "neurodevelopmental disorders"... ie: brain damage. It's dangerous. You're wrong.
Literally everything kills you; even water. The devil's in the dosage.
Water is essential to life, as is sodium (lol you're such a faggot). Yes, too much water or sodium can be harmful, even lethal, but there is still a wide range of lower doses that are not just safe, but necessary to maintain good health. There is no safe dose of mercury. Mercury is not essential for the maintenance of good health. Even the smallest doses of mercury are harmful, it's just the degree to which they are harmful is also small.
Acute or chronic mercury exposure can cause adverse effects during any period of development. Mercury is a highly toxic element; there is no known safe level of exposure. Ideally, neither children nor adults should have any mercury in their bodies because it provides no physiological benefit. Sauce
When we're discussing whether or not a substance like mercury or thimerosal is dangerous or harmful, it's LD50 is irrelevant. It's harmful at every dosage level, even if the dosage isn't lethal.
Oh no some kids got a slightly worse rash after getting life-saving vaccines, and maybe the thimerosal had something to do with it.
Vaccines do not need thimerosal in them. The same companies that put thimerosal in vaccines make versions without thimerosal. I know this from personal experience vaccinating my animals. They're the same price, made by the same companies, and are just as shelf stable. That rash, which is on the minor end of the spectrum of possible side-effects of thimerosal (as that long ass list of studies you provided demonstrates), could be completely avoidable by simply not putting toxic thimerosal in vaccines. Oh, and just btw, posting that pic only serves to further prove the dangers of thimerosal. How much more evidence are you going to provide that disproves your claims? Seriously, you could not possibly make crushing your argument any easier.
Now, more about your use of that link to support your LD50 argument. That link only mentions LD50 3 times:
Non-Human Toxicity Values:
LD50 Mouse oral 91 mg/kg
[Lewis, R.J. Sax's Dangerous Properties of Industrial Materials. 9th ed. Volumes 1-3. New York, NY: Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1996., p. 2131] -PEER REVIEWED-
LD50 Rat sc 98 mg/kg
[Lewis, R.J. Sax's Dangerous Properties of Industrial Materials. 9th ed. Volumes 1-3. New York, NY: Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1996., p. 2131] -PEER REVIEWED-
LD50 Rat oral 75 mg/kg
[Lewis, R.J. Sax's Dangerous Properties of Industrial Materials. 9th ed. Volumes 1-3. New York, NY: Van Nostrand Reinhold, 1996., p. 2131] -PEER REVIEWED-
None of those studies dealt with the LD50 of thimerosal for humans. I repeat...
THAT'S THE LD50 FOR RATS YOU FUCKING HALFWIT
And I'm bad at science? I referred to multiple studies from that site detailing the effects of thimerosal at varying doses, on varying types of human subjects, including "normal", allegedly "safe" doses found in vaccines, and you ignored all of it, and every other study I didn't reference, because you found the LD50 for thimerosal in rats? You may be the most pathetic cherry-picking faggot I've ever come across on this site, and I've met some super duper fags on here these past 4 years.
Yeah, rats are biologically similar to humans in a lot of ways... but they are not humans. This reminds me of when rabbits were used to test hydrogen-cyanide gas chambers, because they were considered similar enough to humans. The rabbits died very quickly, so, all the literature about those gas chambers claimed that using hydrogen cyanide gas would kill a human at a similar rate. This was used to substantiate claims made about the alleged gas chambers used in the "Holocaust". Problem is though, humans are affected by hydrogen-cyanide gas very differently compared to rabbits, and it took much much longer for it to be lethal. Rabbits died within seconds, while humans died after an average of about 9 minutes. The first 5 minutes of this video details all this.
Every study I quoted demonstrates that thimerosal is dangerous. You lost the argument the moment you linked to that site. You can try to pilpul your way out of this all you want, but the fact that you are wrong, and thimerosal is dangerous, because it contains mercury, will never change. Now go jerk your little rabbi-bitten dick to your collection of child porn, you worthless faggot. And when you're done with that, just fucking neck yourself already.
Stopped halfway through again: it's becoming clear to me you're not actually listening to anyone. Let's try a Steel man: What exactly are you saying? Do you think elemental components in a compound act as they would outside of one? Define "dangerous". What do you think a Tympanostomy is? What do you think the study with the rashes said?
Your original claim was that it wasn't dangerous. Here's what you said, just in case you forgot:
Yes. Unless Taco Night and Milk fill you with an unbridled sense of horror, it's safe to say the statement stands. You can't selectively be afraid of thimerosal and also eat peppers, drink milk, and smoke - since the latter three are several times deadlier on their own, and you expose yourself to them in much larger quantities every day. The only way this isn't safe is if you define "safe" as "literally incapable of harming you under any circumstances", in which case nothing is safe.
The last study I quoted in my previous comment demonstrated that "normal" amounts of thimerosal found in vaccines were connected to "neurodevelopmental disorders"... ie: brain damage. It's dangerous. You're wrong.
Considering you didn't understand all the other ones you quoted, I judge it unlikely you got the ones I ignored right. I mean, come on, you cited an infant literally swallowing the stuff for a month as a sign that it poses some horrid threat. This doesn't inspire confidence in your ability to contextualize observations. I'm going to have to turn to elitism here.
Even the smallest doses of mercury are harmful, it's just the degree to which they are harmful is also small.
Here's a guy drinking cyanide. If I'm understanding your definition of "dangerous" you think cyanide is also dangerous now because he was mildly affected. I think I'm starting to understand your weird standards.
Vaccines do not need thimerosal in them.
You're not qualified to talk about this.
That rash, which is on the minor end of the spectrum of possible side-effects
It's a pre-existing condition. You either didn't actually read the summary, or you're not smart enough to understand. Either way, not good.
posting that pic only serves to further prove the dangers of thimerosal.
You're not actually listening to anything anyone is saying. I'm going to stop here and try to hammer out something more productive, because we're not going to get anywhere like this.
Just accept it bro, you're wrong. Thimerosal is dangerous at every dosage level because mercury is dangerous at every dosage level, and thimerosal contains mercury. The conversation is over. You lost. Move on.
I'm going to stop here and try to hammer out something more productive
Good. Almost anything would be more productive than you trying to argue your position here.
because we're not going to get anywhere like this.
I asked a series of questions. Can you answer them? Do you need me to rephrase them? What is a Tympanostomy? Define "dangerous". Do elements keep their chemical properties in molecules? Like, if I mix sodium and chloride, do I get to keep the explosiveness of sodium in water with the oxidative capabilities of chloride? Help me help you.
Thimerosal is dangerous at every dosage level because mercury is dangerous at every dosage level, and thimerosal contains mercury. The conversation is over. You lost. Move on.
This is an example of the kind of conversation we can't have because you won't define "dangerous". Why are 50 nanograms of thimerosal dangerous, but the 300+ of capsaicin in peppers perfectly fine? Capsaicin is twice as lethal. You're not actually reading any of this.
Almost anything would be more productive than you trying to argue your position here.
So you'll answer the questions?
Because you're an arrogant dumbass.
You're getting so defensive over something so trivial. It's troubling. Like, geez. You're confused by all this. Fine. You heard Mercury is bad. You found out a thing had Mercury. Much scared. Fine. Now I'm helping you with that. Calm your tits.
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PepeFarmRemembers ago
Mercury is not used in vaccines. A preservative that has mercury in the molecule is frequently used as a preservative yes, it's an antibiotic. Saying vaccines have mercury is like saying salt has sodium.
Eat sodium, you die. Eat table salt you don't. Eat mercury you die. Eat Mercury((o-carboxyphenyl)thio)ethyl sodium salt you don't.
I can't take anybody seriously that doesn't get that basic fact.
Nosferatjew ago
So, it would be accurate.
PepeFarmRemembers ago
Correct. That's how fear merchants work. You know Dihydrogen Monoxide is an acid right? You can make anything sound scary if you frame it right.
Dortex ago
Accurate, but misleading.
Nosferatjew ago
But still accurate.
And just because the mercury in thimerosal is part of a larger molecule that acts as a preservative, does not mean it's harmless. There are thimerosal free vaccines, I get them for my pets. Thimerosal is not needed to stabilize a vaccine.
agodgavemethisland ago
The first vaccines also didn't have the toxic adjuvants that today's vaccines have. The original science behind how vaccines work has been discarded and replaced with adjuvant quackery. This is why virtually every breakout is from vaccinated victims.
Dortex ago
If you're not the kind of idiot to think dangerous chemical=dangerous compound. I doubt most aren't.
Not mine.
The issue is most people are too uneducated to know Sodium is dangerous. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
And just because the molecule has Mercury in it, doesn't mean it's dangerous.
trevmon ago
they put mercury in it on purpose, to make us docile
agodgavemethisland ago
This dumbass has never heard of the sodium/potassium pump.
Is potassium dangerous too, dumbass?
Dortex ago
Did you have any questions about alkali metal reactions in the presence of water? Or did you get the idea?
Dortex ago
No I have not
Don't lick it..
Here's why it happens
Nosferatjew ago
You have provided zero evidence or proof of any kind to support your position that mercury is harmless when part of a larger molecule. Feel free to at any time.
So, stop using it. It's a terrible analogy... It disproves the point you're trying to make and makes you look stupid.
I could say the exact same thing about mercury... especially when it's delivered intravenously by way of vaccine. If I wanted to reduce/avoid mercury consumption, one of the things I would definitely not do is get mercury laced Trojan horse vaccines injected into my bloodstream, even if the mercury in them was part of a larger molecule. Ya know, just to be on the safe side.
Dortex ago
An ad hom would be pointing out that you don't need to be listened to because people like you are exactly the reason I said it was misleading. Pointing out that people are ignorant of basic Chemistry is just a statement of fact.
LD50: 98mg/kg. Doubt you actually care.
Read the usernames. I haven't made any analogies.
Have you heard of the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Nosferatjew ago
Fair enough, didn't see that.
Did you read through that link you sent me? It's super long, but it does an excellent job of disproving your point about thimerosal not necessarily being dangerous.
You said:
And that link you provided said:
...10 out of 13, dead. As an aside, wtf kind of bullshit parents would agree to submit their infant children to such a study?
From that link, here are a couple examples of fucked up vaccines killing people because they contained lethal doses of mercury in the form of thimerosal... which means thimerosal is hardly harmless:
Not worth the risk if you ask me. The people who didn't die after receiving this accidentally high dose are not mentioned, I suspect they were pretty fucked up by it too.
This list just keeps going (thanks for the link btw, I've saved it for future debates on this issue)...
Sure doesn't sound very harmless...
Yay for mandatory vaccinations! What could possibly go wrong?
Yeah, that sounds harmful.
What were you trying to accomplish with that link? I barely got 25% into before seeing enough evidence to demonstrate that thimerosal is harmful. Fuck, even just the first study on the list shows that.
Why yes, I have ;)
Dortex ago
I actually went back halfway through writing to tell you this: You have no talent for this "science" thing. Remember when I said "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"? This is what I mean. You don't have the intelligence, the education, or the attitude needed to assess any of this properly. Every second you spent reading this link just made you dumber. You'd literally have been better off just never hearing about thimerosal in the first place as things stand.
I specifically described the LD50 of the chemical. You clearly don't know what that is. LD 50 is the dosage at which anyone exposed to a given chemical has a 50% chance of dying. This is expressed as a dosage per kilogram (2.204 lbs) of body weight.
You're exposed to far more toxic things on a daily basis for far more trivial reasons. Example? Capsaicin. , A.K.A. "That stuff that makes food spicy". With an LD50 of 47.2 mg per kg, it's twice as lethal as thimerosal, and a whopping 1.275x less lethal than cholecalciferol, A.K.A. Vitamin D, whose LD50 is 37mg/kg. Did any of this worry you on taco night? What about when you were out. In the sun? Do you smoke? Nicotine has an LD50 of 13mg/kg at the highest.
Literally everything kills you; even water. The devil's in the dosage.
It's an antiseptic. The babies were being treated for exomphalos; their guys were.literally spilling out of them through the umbilical cord. Do you just imagine some mad scientist walking up to parents like "YESSS MY DEAR. WE WILL EZPOSE THEM TO MORE AND MORE MERCURY UNTIL THEY DIEEEEE MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA"?
I think most people would die if they accidentally took 100x more of anything all at once. If you disagree, go ahead and chug an extra 99 glasses of water next time you're thirsty. Tell me how that goes for you.
Her ears were being irrigated, and it turns out she had tympanostomies. Thanks to those, she swallowed the solution and, after weeks of continuous exposure, finally died. I too would die if I was exposed to uncontrolled doses of any chemical over a month.
Oh no some kids got a slightly worse rash after getting life-saving vaccines, and maybe the thimerosal had something to do with it.
Nosferatjew ago
Just like with that link you provided, condescending to me will never make you right... You say I have no talent for this science stuff, while you attempt to support your claim that thimerosal is harmless with a link to a hundred studies proving it to be harmful, and simultaneously ignore all that research, which you brought into this discussion, so that you can try to make a point about thimerosal's LD50.
IT'S LD50 IS IRRELEVANT YOU FUCKING CUNT
Your original claim was that it wasn't dangerous. Here's what you said, just in case you forgot:
You proved yourself wrong when you posted that link, but are now trying to move the goal posts. Something can be dangerous or harmful at doses that are not lethal. Even minor brain damage still qualifies as harm. An alergic reaction, even if it's just a rash PROVES that thimerosal is in fact harmful, and thus dangerous. The last study I quoted in my previous comment demonstrated that normal amounts of thimerosal found in vaccines were connected to "neurodevelopmental disorders"... ie: brain damage. It's dangerous. You're wrong.
Water is essential to life, as is sodium (lol you're such a faggot). Yes, too much water or sodium can be harmful, even lethal, but there is still a wide range of lower doses that are not just safe, but necessary to maintain good health. There is no safe dose of mercury. Mercury is not essential for the maintenance of good health. Even the smallest doses of mercury are harmful, it's just the degree to which they are harmful is also small.
When we're discussing whether or not a substance like mercury or thimerosal is dangerous or harmful, it's LD50 is irrelevant. It's harmful at every dosage level, even if the dosage isn't lethal.
Vaccines do not need thimerosal in them. The same companies that put thimerosal in vaccines make versions without thimerosal. I know this from personal experience vaccinating my animals. They're the same price, made by the same companies, and are just as shelf stable. That rash, which is on the minor end of the spectrum of possible side-effects of thimerosal (as that long ass list of studies you provided demonstrates), could be completely avoidable by simply not putting toxic thimerosal in vaccines. Oh, and just btw, posting that pic only serves to further prove the dangers of thimerosal. How much more evidence are you going to provide that disproves your claims? Seriously, you could not possibly make crushing your argument any easier.
Now, more about your use of that link to support your LD50 argument. That link only mentions LD50 3 times:
None of those studies dealt with the LD50 of thimerosal for humans. I repeat...
THAT'S THE LD50 FOR RATS YOU FUCKING HALFWIT
And I'm bad at science? I referred to multiple studies from that site detailing the effects of thimerosal at varying doses, on varying types of human subjects, including "normal", allegedly "safe" doses found in vaccines, and you ignored all of it, and every other study I didn't reference, because you found the LD50 for thimerosal in rats? You may be the most pathetic cherry-picking faggot I've ever come across on this site, and I've met some super duper fags on here these past 4 years.
Yeah, rats are biologically similar to humans in a lot of ways... but they are not humans. This reminds me of when rabbits were used to test hydrogen-cyanide gas chambers, because they were considered similar enough to humans. The rabbits died very quickly, so, all the literature about those gas chambers claimed that using hydrogen cyanide gas would kill a human at a similar rate. This was used to substantiate claims made about the alleged gas chambers used in the "Holocaust". Problem is though, humans are affected by hydrogen-cyanide gas very differently compared to rabbits, and it took much much longer for it to be lethal. Rabbits died within seconds, while humans died after an average of about 9 minutes. The first 5 minutes of this video details all this.
Every study I quoted demonstrates that thimerosal is dangerous. You lost the argument the moment you linked to that site. You can try to pilpul your way out of this all you want, but the fact that you are wrong, and thimerosal is dangerous, because it contains mercury, will never change. Now go jerk your little rabbi-bitten dick to your collection of child porn, you worthless faggot. And when you're done with that, just fucking neck yourself already.
Dortex ago
Stopped halfway through again: it's becoming clear to me you're not actually listening to anyone. Let's try a Steel man: What exactly are you saying? Do you think elemental components in a compound act as they would outside of one? Define "dangerous". What do you think a Tympanostomy is? What do you think the study with the rashes said?
Yes. Unless Taco Night and Milk fill you with an unbridled sense of horror, it's safe to say the statement stands. You can't selectively be afraid of thimerosal and also eat peppers, drink milk, and smoke - since the latter three are several times deadlier on their own, and you expose yourself to them in much larger quantities every day. The only way this isn't safe is if you define "safe" as "literally incapable of harming you under any circumstances", in which case nothing is safe.
Considering you didn't understand all the other ones you quoted, I judge it unlikely you got the ones I ignored right. I mean, come on, you cited an infant literally swallowing the stuff for a month as a sign that it poses some horrid threat. This doesn't inspire confidence in your ability to contextualize observations. I'm going to have to turn to elitism here.
Here's a guy drinking cyanide. If I'm understanding your definition of "dangerous" you think cyanide is also dangerous now because he was mildly affected. I think I'm starting to understand your weird standards.
You're not qualified to talk about this.
It's a pre-existing condition. You either didn't actually read the summary, or you're not smart enough to understand. Either way, not good.
You're not actually listening to anything anyone is saying. I'm going to stop here and try to hammer out something more productive, because we're not going to get anywhere like this.
Nosferatjew ago
Just accept it bro, you're wrong. Thimerosal is dangerous at every dosage level because mercury is dangerous at every dosage level, and thimerosal contains mercury. The conversation is over. You lost. Move on.
Good. Almost anything would be more productive than you trying to argue your position here.
Because you're an arrogant dumbass.
Dortex ago
I asked a series of questions. Can you answer them? Do you need me to rephrase them? What is a Tympanostomy? Define "dangerous". Do elements keep their chemical properties in molecules? Like, if I mix sodium and chloride, do I get to keep the explosiveness of sodium in water with the oxidative capabilities of chloride? Help me help you.
This is an example of the kind of conversation we can't have because you won't define "dangerous". Why are 50 nanograms of thimerosal dangerous, but the 300+ of capsaicin in peppers perfectly fine? Capsaicin is twice as lethal. You're not actually reading any of this.
So you'll answer the questions?
You're getting so defensive over something so trivial. It's troubling. Like, geez. You're confused by all this. Fine. You heard Mercury is bad. You found out a thing had Mercury. Much scared. Fine. Now I'm helping you with that. Calm your tits.
Nosferatjew ago
^^When a dumb kike loses an argument after embarassingly posting 100 studies that prove his position false, but still can't accept defeat.
lol
Dortex ago
^^^When a grown man disappoints you. :(