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ardvarcus ago

Haven't actually read the Republic, although I've read all of Plato's other dialogues. It's a long work. I keep meaning to get around to it.

ex-redd ago

it is "odd" in my evaluation; it is different from all the other dialogues--which I lend credence to insofar as the separation of Socrates from Plato, and any debate. I tend to see most of the dialogues as Plato 'recording' Socrates: this work makes me wonder at if it is Plato, or another "documentation."

But that is not why I posted it here. The work specifically goes over the idealized creation of government--not a government, but the government/state (innate in Truth/the Universe). Part of this explicitelatly depends on lieing to the population. (before any rush to judgment: the "kings" are not kings in the general sense, but slaves to the perfect population [in a perfect world]).

The kings live in poverty [much against the usual idea of "rulers"]--all the Good do.

This notion is very juxtapose to a conspiratory society exploiting the population for their own gain, we are all familiar with.

The involvement of lies, in a man/men dedicated to truth is odd. (but if need be, at least a failsafe was kind of infered about to prevent self-serving exploitation)

it's the Republic--so much can, and has been, said--but I'm just tossing in my two bits to you guys