Tallest_Skil you usually seem to know what you are talking about, but in this case, and I mean this sincerely, you seem to be missing some crucial bits of information.
Now if you still think it's all fine and great, and selective breeding is just like synthetic gene splicing. Well..you can bring up your counter arguments and we'll see.
You also have to understand this industry is not run by sane people, but by and large by profit seeking corporations. It is very naive to think "if they would just use it for good". No, they will almost never use if for good; they will use it for PROFIT. This is a very important difference to understand. And you of all people should know, that when there it profit to be made, then safety and truth are one of the first items that get thrown out the window. Please watch the videos.
Tallest_Skil I usually respect your opinion, but your are unfortunately woefully misinformed here. And I don't mean it in any way to be rude. I see that you are missing many crucial bits of information, that make you draw conclusions which are not valid when the full picture is brought to light.
First, genetically modified food is definitely not the same as selective breeding. Every scientist worth their salt, knows that the generally accepted term "genetic modification" implies inserting FOREIGN genetic material into an organism. Something which never happens in nature, NOR with selective breeding.
And what does FOREIGN imply? It implies inserting genes from a bacteria into a plant. Or inserting genes from an insect into a fish. These type of insertions would never occur in nature, and for good reason. Nature is designed to allow only compatible species to mate, precisely to prevent this type of cross-species contamination.
But it does not end there. Synthetic gene insertion is never a "clean" process. Even CRISPR, which is marketed as being laser like in its precision, can and does create unpredictable modifications to genes other than at the intended splicing location.
And what is the result of unpredictable modifications? Genes are used for protein manufacturing. An unpredictable modification will therefore create a genome that manufactures proteins which do not exist previously in nature.
And what is a foreign protein? It's a toxin, it's an allergen, or both.
There is a reason why many people heal from chronic diseases when they stop eating GM food. All GM foods contain, and this has been scientifically verified, significantly more allergens (foreign proteins) than conventional food.
This is not an accident. This is a straight consequence of the reckless introduction of foreign genetic sequences into our plants, food, and environment. It creates new novel proteins, which our environment and ourselves have not had time to adapt to.
And we have not even touched on many other subject, like horizontal gene transfer, or the chemical unlocking (removal of natural protection barriers) from the genetic material as a consequence of the modification process.
The whole industry of genetic modification is a rabbit hole that goes deep, and you will never know the truth nor understand the full implications, if just doing some cursory browsing on Wikipedia.
I expect you can appreciate and understand this very well.
But please, do not call selective breeding the same as synthetic genetic modification again. It is simply not true, and they are not the same thing. You can never selectively breed a mosquito with a coconut, but you can with synthetic gene modification, and you can do many other unnatural things with it too.
Not currently, sure, but it doesn’t have to be. He thinks his false dichotomy is going to be accepted here. Monsanto modifies its plants to not die when sprayed with poison, and then they’re sprayed with poison. This isn’t the only manner in which genetic modification can be done. Genes can be selected for which simply create larger produce, etc. This can be done in laboratory settings rather than through brute force. That’s “GMO.” There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Congratulations, you’ve proven yourself a retard. All plants are genetically modified. All animals are genetically modified. Both historically AND due to modern techniques.
Go. Starve. To. Death.
You’re too stupid to comprehend the difference in what Monsanto (et. al.) do and a modernized extension of what we’ve done since the dawn of man, so enjoy the psychoses that come with starvation borne of your holier-than-thou stupidity.
Yes, I’m aware. There is literally nothing wrong with genetic engineering. Genetic engineering can be done maliciously, just as cross-breeding can be done maliciously.
The main difference between cross breading and GMO is that cross breeding is the mating of two organisms from two breeds whereas GMOs are the organisms whose genetic material is altered by genetic engineering. The main advantage of cross-breeding is to mate two genetically-related organisms that are never crossed naturally. At the same time, genetic engineering introduces some tremendous and elite qualities to GMO.
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i_scream_trucks ago
yeah disinformation tends not to sway me but feel free to waste your time anyway
madmalloy ago
So I'm guessing you think GMO's are great. You can have my share.
Tallest_Skil ago
You’re brain damaged. Enjoy starving to death. All food is modified. Has been for millennia.
qwop ago
Tallest_Skil you usually seem to know what you are talking about, but in this case, and I mean this sincerely, you seem to be missing some crucial bits of information.
I suggest you watch these two videos. The 3 minute introduction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTCI_R8kciA
And then part two for the real meat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU9LmFLaC18
Now if you still think it's all fine and great, and selective breeding is just like synthetic gene splicing. Well..you can bring up your counter arguments and we'll see.
You also have to understand this industry is not run by sane people, but by and large by profit seeking corporations. It is very naive to think "if they would just use it for good". No, they will almost never use if for good; they will use it for PROFIT. This is a very important difference to understand. And you of all people should know, that when there it profit to be made, then safety and truth are one of the first items that get thrown out the window. Please watch the videos.
qwop ago
Tallest_Skil I usually respect your opinion, but your are unfortunately woefully misinformed here. And I don't mean it in any way to be rude. I see that you are missing many crucial bits of information, that make you draw conclusions which are not valid when the full picture is brought to light.
First, genetically modified food is definitely not the same as selective breeding. Every scientist worth their salt, knows that the generally accepted term "genetic modification" implies inserting FOREIGN genetic material into an organism. Something which never happens in nature, NOR with selective breeding.
And what does FOREIGN imply? It implies inserting genes from a bacteria into a plant. Or inserting genes from an insect into a fish. These type of insertions would never occur in nature, and for good reason. Nature is designed to allow only compatible species to mate, precisely to prevent this type of cross-species contamination.
But it does not end there. Synthetic gene insertion is never a "clean" process. Even CRISPR, which is marketed as being laser like in its precision, can and does create unpredictable modifications to genes other than at the intended splicing location.
And what is the result of unpredictable modifications? Genes are used for protein manufacturing. An unpredictable modification will therefore create a genome that manufactures proteins which do not exist previously in nature.
And what is a foreign protein? It's a toxin, it's an allergen, or both.
There is a reason why many people heal from chronic diseases when they stop eating GM food. All GM foods contain, and this has been scientifically verified, significantly more allergens (foreign proteins) than conventional food.
This is not an accident. This is a straight consequence of the reckless introduction of foreign genetic sequences into our plants, food, and environment. It creates new novel proteins, which our environment and ourselves have not had time to adapt to.
And we have not even touched on many other subject, like horizontal gene transfer, or the chemical unlocking (removal of natural protection barriers) from the genetic material as a consequence of the modification process.
The whole industry of genetic modification is a rabbit hole that goes deep, and you will never know the truth nor understand the full implications, if just doing some cursory browsing on Wikipedia.
I expect you can appreciate and understand this very well.
If you want to really understand the details, I suggest to start with this 3 minute video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTCI_R8kciA
And then if you want to take it to the next step, watch part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU9LmFLaC18
But please, do not call selective breeding the same as synthetic genetic modification again. It is simply not true, and they are not the same thing. You can never selectively breed a mosquito with a coconut, but you can with synthetic gene modification, and you can do many other unnatural things with it too.
badruns ago
Elaborate? Selective breeding of crops is in no way the same thing as what is done to GMO crops.
Tallest_Skil ago
Not currently, sure, but it doesn’t have to be. He thinks his false dichotomy is going to be accepted here. Monsanto modifies its plants to not die when sprayed with poison, and then they’re sprayed with poison. This isn’t the only manner in which genetic modification can be done. Genes can be selected for which simply create larger produce, etc. This can be done in laboratory settings rather than through brute force. That’s “GMO.” There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.
madmalloy ago
Yeah, ancient Egypt had CRISPR and other GMO techniques. Bon Appetit.
Tallest_Skil ago
Nice false dichotomy.
madmalloy ago
Comparing GMOs to cross breeding shows you know nothing of GMOs, good job!
Tallest_Skil ago
Congratulations, you’ve proven yourself a retard. All plants are genetically modified. All animals are genetically modified. Both historically AND due to modern techniques.
Go. Starve. To. Death.
You’re too stupid to comprehend the difference in what Monsanto (et. al.) do and a modernized extension of what we’ve done since the dawn of man, so enjoy the psychoses that come with starvation borne of your holier-than-thou stupidity.
madmalloy ago
Like I said, no clue. Keep on rambling.
Tallest_Skil ago
Enjoy starving to death, hypocrite. You can’t eat a single thing now.
madmalloy ago
You might want to educate yourself on GMOs. Just sayin'
Tallest_Skil ago
So no argument, then. Got it. You were already proven wrong.
madmalloy ago
Go away you silly, stupid, clueless faggot.
Tallest_Skil ago
So no argument, then. Got it. You were already proven wrong.
madmalloy ago
You really need the last word, don't you. Not a question, only an observation
Tallest_Skil ago
Prove ME wrong by refusing to reply again without any content. You’ve posted NOTHING thus far. Enjoy starving to death.
madmalloy ago
**Difference Between Cross Breeding and GMO **
https://pediaa.com/difference-between-cross-breeding-and-gmo/
Tallest_Skil ago
Yes, I’m aware. There is literally nothing wrong with genetic engineering. Genetic engineering can be done maliciously, just as cross-breeding can be done maliciously.
SavageSeasons ago
The main difference between cross breading and GMO is that cross breeding is the mating of two organisms from two breeds whereas GMOs are the organisms whose genetic material is altered by genetic engineering. The main advantage of cross-breeding is to mate two genetically-related organisms that are never crossed naturally. At the same time, genetic engineering introduces some tremendous and elite qualities to GMO.