Buildings that collapse symmetrically like the WTC buildings collapsed, can only do so by being professionally engineered to do so by well educated structural engineers. And the fact that the WTC buildings collapsed at-or-near free-fall speed proves that the load-bearing structural members of the buildings were being removed in a timed fashion to create the symmetrical at free fall effect.
But I don't know the answers to any of your questions. I can tell you I once read that NIST's model omits flange bolts and the simultaneously expanding concrete. Apparently either one alone would ruin their modeled collapse. I bet they committed thermite from their model too. Lol
The only conspiracy is that they knew it was going to happen and were either too apathetic to care, or were planning on it happening to use as an excuse to invade Iraq. If they were going to fabricate a terrorist attack, they could have achieved the same result with a much smaller budget.
While digging into it is a necessary thing to do I also think this issue is frequently a sidetrack - this is why you hear the "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" meme so frequently and PUBLICLY in forums where otherwise reasonable 9/11 questioning would definitely not be allowed.
Instead of wasting time disproving the official theory it seems better to focus on the obvious fact that this was a controlled demolition. Go melt a steel beam with whatever you want and try to simulate the collapse of wtc 1 and 2 - good fucking luck.
Jet fuel may or may not be able to melt steel beams but that has nothing to do with the WTC because that's clearly not what brought these buildings down.
The impacts also spread jet fuel into the buildings. Not all the fuel was used in the fire ball. In fact, eye witnesses say jet fuel was creating curtains of fire as it poured down from the impact zone. But the jet fuel only started the fires. It was never the NIST's contention that the jet fuel brought down the buildings as conspiracy theorists suggest. Conspiracy theorists use this as a straw man. They say the jet fuel couldn't have bowed the columns and sagged trusses. Just as lighter fluid doesn't cook your meat in a barbeque, the jet fuel didn't sag the trusses or bow the columns. You also can't leave this important factor out either. Conspiracy theorists say the columns couldn't have bowed and the trusses couldn't have sagged because the jet fuel wasn't hot enough and was used up within about 15 minutes of impact. That's like saying your meat didn't cook in your barbeque because the lighter fluid burns too quickly. All the jet fuel did was act as lighter fluid and intensify the fire for about 15 minutes.
The impact brought a 500 mile an hour wind to the impact floors as a wall of debris traveled from one end of the buildings to the other. The jet fuel blast added to the event with more than just a pyrotechnic show. This high wind (debris and blast) blew the debris into the furthest corners of the building. It obviously stripped the ceiling tile system off in an instant. Photographic evidence shows no sign of ceiling tiles on the impact floors. In that same instant the all important "blown on" fire proofing was removed from the trusses and some columns. This could be seen from photographic evidence in the NIST report. The NIST also replicated the fireproofing and conditions during impact and found the fireproofing easily blew off. As with all the NIST tests anyone can replicate them if they doubt the conclusion.
TREDDITFIRST ago
Buildings that collapse symmetrically like the WTC buildings collapsed, can only do so by being professionally engineered to do so by well educated structural engineers. And the fact that the WTC buildings collapsed at-or-near free-fall speed proves that the load-bearing structural members of the buildings were being removed in a timed fashion to create the symmetrical at free fall effect.
Dysnomia ago
Well, 21 days after the attack "the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running."
At least according to the Structural Engineers Association of Utah. http://imgur.com/SAA8V5x
Oh! And no photographs were to be taken nor distributed to the public without FBI approval. This is full of interesting information!
http://imgur.com/c7yaZ0Z
http://web.archive.org/web/20080817013630/http://www.seau.org/SEAUNews-2001-10.pdf
But I don't know the answers to any of your questions. I can tell you I once read that NIST's model omits flange bolts and the simultaneously expanding concrete. Apparently either one alone would ruin their modeled collapse. I bet they committed thermite from their model too. Lol
CherryP ago
dicknanigans
Empire_of_the_mind ago
wat
CherryP ago
key and peel bro key and peele
Irlost ago
Nobody knows what that chemtrail stuff burns at..
Empire_of_the_mind ago
seriously - who has tested the fuel that was in those planes? oh, right, can't do that.
cockshittingmanatee ago
The only conspiracy is that they knew it was going to happen and were either too apathetic to care, or were planning on it happening to use as an excuse to invade Iraq. If they were going to fabricate a terrorist attack, they could have achieved the same result with a much smaller budget.
Empire_of_the_mind ago
While digging into it is a necessary thing to do I also think this issue is frequently a sidetrack - this is why you hear the "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" meme so frequently and PUBLICLY in forums where otherwise reasonable 9/11 questioning would definitely not be allowed.
Instead of wasting time disproving the official theory it seems better to focus on the obvious fact that this was a controlled demolition. Go melt a steel beam with whatever you want and try to simulate the collapse of wtc 1 and 2 - good fucking luck.
Jet fuel may or may not be able to melt steel beams but that has nothing to do with the WTC because that's clearly not what brought these buildings down.
TREDDITFIRST ago
Most, if not all, of the jet fuel would have been burned up in the quick impact explosion.
Frank_Castle ago
The impacts also spread jet fuel into the buildings. Not all the fuel was used in the fire ball. In fact, eye witnesses say jet fuel was creating curtains of fire as it poured down from the impact zone. But the jet fuel only started the fires. It was never the NIST's contention that the jet fuel brought down the buildings as conspiracy theorists suggest. Conspiracy theorists use this as a straw man. They say the jet fuel couldn't have bowed the columns and sagged trusses. Just as lighter fluid doesn't cook your meat in a barbeque, the jet fuel didn't sag the trusses or bow the columns. You also can't leave this important factor out either. Conspiracy theorists say the columns couldn't have bowed and the trusses couldn't have sagged because the jet fuel wasn't hot enough and was used up within about 15 minutes of impact. That's like saying your meat didn't cook in your barbeque because the lighter fluid burns too quickly. All the jet fuel did was act as lighter fluid and intensify the fire for about 15 minutes.
The impact brought a 500 mile an hour wind to the impact floors as a wall of debris traveled from one end of the buildings to the other. The jet fuel blast added to the event with more than just a pyrotechnic show. This high wind (debris and blast) blew the debris into the furthest corners of the building. It obviously stripped the ceiling tile system off in an instant. Photographic evidence shows no sign of ceiling tiles on the impact floors. In that same instant the all important "blown on" fire proofing was removed from the trusses and some columns. This could be seen from photographic evidence in the NIST report. The NIST also replicated the fireproofing and conditions during impact and found the fireproofing easily blew off. As with all the NIST tests anyone can replicate them if they doubt the conclusion.
TREDDITFIRST ago
WOW! What a desperate attempt to save the official government conspiracy theory. lol.
my_p3t_goat ago
Also the steel itself would have radiated the heat, dissipating it.
TREDDITFIRST ago
Correct