Only works if you unfuck the landownership system. Remove property and inheritance tax, ban foreign land ownership. That's how you get permanent multigenerational othala farms.
Did they? I don't recall there being a vote to start the civil war. I don't recall a vote on the emancipation proclamation. The 13th and 14th amendments?
The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.
Yes, and I know when someone shifts goalposts when they're losing the debate.
You've gone from "only white landowning men should vote" to "ALL white landowning men need to vote or it isn't real" to "you must not read because you don't agree with me" (ad hom)
I have done nothing of the sort.
You attempt to put blame on white land owning males by pointing out that it was white land owning males that gave the vote to blacks.
No, THEY did not.
Telling that you've ignored my question on whether you should be held responsible for everything your government does.
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carlip ago
This is 100% evidence that the voting age should be 25.
Thin_White_Duke ago
No 18 is fine.
Restricted to white, land-owning, males.
jollux ago
Only works if you unfuck the landownership system. Remove property and inheritance tax, ban foreign land ownership. That's how you get permanent multigenerational othala farms.
African_Jew ago
Would have never got that way if only white male landowners voted.
jollux ago
white male landowners voted to give blacks the vote
Thin_White_Duke ago
Did they? I don't recall there being a vote to start the civil war. I don't recall a vote on the emancipation proclamation. The 13th and 14th amendments?
jollux ago
At the time, all white landowning males.
Thin_White_Duke ago
Ffs. I don't recall a referendum for all voters to decide on any of those things I mentioned.
Or do you actually mean all white land owning males were either in Congress or the state legislatures?
jollux ago
I'm saying that all of congress was white, land-owning males.
Thin_White_Duke ago
And I'm saying not ALL white, land owning males got to vote on those things.
That's like saying all Americans agree with everything our government does because we voted them in.
jollux ago
So you're a proponent of direct democracy? I wasn't aware that was the topic of discussion.
Thin_White_Duke ago
Do you read?
jollux ago
Yes, and I know when someone shifts goalposts when they're losing the debate.
You've gone from "only white landowning men should vote" to "ALL white landowning men need to vote or it isn't real" to "you must not read because you don't agree with me" (ad hom)
Thin_White_Duke ago
I have done nothing of the sort. You attempt to put blame on white land owning males by pointing out that it was white land owning males that gave the vote to blacks.
No, THEY did not.
Telling that you've ignored my question on whether you should be held responsible for everything your government does.
jollux ago
If a congress of black men voted for cannibalism to be legal, you'd say "oh, that's typical of black men". I'm making the same sort of observation.
My interest here isn't in saying white men are bad, I'm working out your logical kinks with you.
Thin_White_Duke ago
Except you can look at overall trends and reach a conclusion based on what events happened around that time to lead to those trends.
For example, do you know how the trend in government spending changed after passage of the 19th amendment?