Jordan Peterson, Stefan Molyneux, perhaps even Styx
This also doesn't mean we're after a purity spiral. It means there is a strict set of rules that build civilization much more than destroy it. Each one of these people is guilty of offending at least one of these rules, in turn contributing to the collapse of society.
It’s a fine line. I prefer that these people don’t move further right as they would just be shoahed. I assure you the majority of people on the far right have consumed those people’s material on the their journey. I’m guessing you did too.
Not trying to overload and be a douche but I also gotta mention, with these types of people, it's important to distinguish someone that appropriately diagnoses the things that are destroying civilization (usually why we accept them) from their prescription to build civilization better. Especially with guys like JP and Molymeme, we readily accept then for making proper diagnosis, but their prescriptions are more of the same thing that got us here. That's really my qualm.
The biggest issue I have is they're line that strictly denies facts that lead people further right. They are largely classical liberal/civnats In their ideologies. As a stepping stone, they poison the well right of center and only do well enough to move someone left of center to center.
The goal isn't to the right either. The goal is to get out of this false left/right dichotomy. This is why they are gatekeepers. They only further support ideologies that lead to revolutions, not stability. Did you ever read Moldbug or any DE/NRx material? That was my introduction to the "far right" years ago. Inb4 (((Moldbug))), because the degeneracy became apparent later on which is why the alt right was formed and NRx joined them.
The red pills on race and sex are primary. The red pills were spilling out faster than they could handle. JP himself is a self admitted media whore (said whore as a joke, but the intent that he loves the media and politics is not a joke).
Point being, if we continue to adopt the philosophies of revolutions, we'll only continue to have more revolutions. Do you want a society where the focus is on who is oppressing who and seeking every instance of human rights violations and demanding they are equalized? If so, continue believing that anybody pushing any degree of "liberty, equality, human rights" will lead to something better. If you want to stop revolutions, stop having revolutions.
I don’t want people in this movement if they get stuck on Southern or Moly. The people that are worth a damn will see these people and recognize that they are holding back on certain truths. And in the search for that truth, they will find MacDonald, Cantwell, and The Right Stuff. This was my journey. I used to be a Bernie bro and I protested at occupy Wall Street. Now I’m apart of one of the only activist groups left standing on the right.
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New_FoundingFathers ago
This needs more visibility, people forget that just because it seems like someone is on our side it doesnt mean they are truly on our side
GoogleStoleMyBike ago
Ben Shapiro, Tommy Robinson, Lauren Southern all come to mind.
Waiyu_Dudat ago
Jordan Peterson, Stefan Molyneux, perhaps even Styx
This also doesn't mean we're after a purity spiral. It means there is a strict set of rules that build civilization much more than destroy it. Each one of these people is guilty of offending at least one of these rules, in turn contributing to the collapse of society.
Dudesocks ago
Are you aware of the need for stepping stones towards the truth?
Waiyu_Dudat ago
Are you aware of the difference between stepping stones and gatekeepers?
Dudesocks ago
It’s a fine line. I prefer that these people don’t move further right as they would just be shoahed. I assure you the majority of people on the far right have consumed those people’s material on the their journey. I’m guessing you did too.
Waiyu_Dudat ago
Not trying to overload and be a douche but I also gotta mention, with these types of people, it's important to distinguish someone that appropriately diagnoses the things that are destroying civilization (usually why we accept them) from their prescription to build civilization better. Especially with guys like JP and Molymeme, we readily accept then for making proper diagnosis, but their prescriptions are more of the same thing that got us here. That's really my qualm.
Waiyu_Dudat ago
The biggest issue I have is they're line that strictly denies facts that lead people further right. They are largely classical liberal/civnats In their ideologies. As a stepping stone, they poison the well right of center and only do well enough to move someone left of center to center.
The goal isn't to the right either. The goal is to get out of this false left/right dichotomy. This is why they are gatekeepers. They only further support ideologies that lead to revolutions, not stability. Did you ever read Moldbug or any DE/NRx material? That was my introduction to the "far right" years ago. Inb4 (((Moldbug))), because the degeneracy became apparent later on which is why the alt right was formed and NRx joined them.
The red pills on race and sex are primary. The red pills were spilling out faster than they could handle. JP himself is a self admitted media whore (said whore as a joke, but the intent that he loves the media and politics is not a joke).
Point being, if we continue to adopt the philosophies of revolutions, we'll only continue to have more revolutions. Do you want a society where the focus is on who is oppressing who and seeking every instance of human rights violations and demanding they are equalized? If so, continue believing that anybody pushing any degree of "liberty, equality, human rights" will lead to something better. If you want to stop revolutions, stop having revolutions.
Dudesocks ago
I don’t want people in this movement if they get stuck on Southern or Moly. The people that are worth a damn will see these people and recognize that they are holding back on certain truths. And in the search for that truth, they will find MacDonald, Cantwell, and The Right Stuff. This was my journey. I used to be a Bernie bro and I protested at occupy Wall Street. Now I’m apart of one of the only activist groups left standing on the right.