As the precise mechanisms of the Israel lobby's influence over US lawmakers is, as you say, secret, the precise details of the "plots" and "plotters" are obviously unknown.
That said, clearly the Israel lobby influences (if not dictates) US foreign policy in the Middle East.
Perhaps you could now answer my question: in what way would you describe the subversion of (what ought to be) a sovereign democratic process by a foreign power as "not conspiratorial"?
for example, bush enacted the COG in 2001, and it runs to this day. US congress is simply there for appearances. it's overt, but not conspiratorial because it's overt... it wasn't widely known for years, and still most americans are unaware of the emergency gov't in place. still not a conspiracy.. the conspiracy is the events that brought it into play.
as for Israel, it's a no brainer that there is support for Israel - these are evangelsts, they want their jesus back.
as for Israel, it's a no brainer that there is support for Israel - these are evangelsts, they want their jesus back.
Lol. It's not religious support. It's driven by money and access to privileged information, like everything else. Israel funds the candidates they want, and funds opponents of the candidates who oppose Zionist strategic goals. Very simple, only someone with a horse in the race would try to portray it differently.
then how is it a conspiracy? - it's overt. this shit belongs in politics, unless you think conspiracy theorists are ripe picking for white supremist groups?
(Sigh). It's partially un-concealed, as in these rare moments on foreign TV when people are allowed to speak about what is going on. That is not the same thing as overt, is it? The precise mechanisms of control remain occluded.
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shmegegy ago
is it a conspiracy?
TTrns ago
Yes. One could easily frame it that way, although they could just as easily choose not to. The facts of the matter would remain unchanged.
shmegegy ago
who is plotting in secret with whom to do what?
TTrns ago
As the precise mechanisms of the Israel lobby's influence over US lawmakers is, as you say, secret, the precise details of the "plots" and "plotters" are obviously unknown.
That said, clearly the Israel lobby influences (if not dictates) US foreign policy in the Middle East.
Perhaps you could now answer my question: in what way would you describe the subversion of (what ought to be) a sovereign democratic process by a foreign power as "not conspiratorial"?
shmegegy ago
for example, bush enacted the COG in 2001, and it runs to this day. US congress is simply there for appearances. it's overt, but not conspiratorial because it's overt... it wasn't widely known for years, and still most americans are unaware of the emergency gov't in place. still not a conspiracy.. the conspiracy is the events that brought it into play.
as for Israel, it's a no brainer that there is support for Israel - these are evangelsts, they want their jesus back.
TTrns ago
Lol. It's not religious support. It's driven by money and access to privileged information, like everything else. Israel funds the candidates they want, and funds opponents of the candidates who oppose Zionist strategic goals. Very simple, only someone with a horse in the race would try to portray it differently.
shmegegy ago
then how is it a conspiracy? - it's overt. this shit belongs in politics, unless you think conspiracy theorists are ripe picking for white supremist groups?
TTrns ago
(Sigh). It's partially un-concealed, as in these rare moments on foreign TV when people are allowed to speak about what is going on. That is not the same thing as overt, is it? The precise mechanisms of control remain occluded.