[Meta] Yet another meta post! Just a brief update on /v/conspiracy meta-stuff. (Conspiracy)

submitted ago by Mumberthrax

Hi again, folks! Your friendly neighborhood Mumberthrax here with a quick report on happenings and goings-on about our subverse to keep you au courant. (I learned that term today when trying to make this post!)

But first, thanks to everyone for your words of support in the previous mod-post. I'm very happy that you guys approve of the direction we're moving toward. Also, welcome all newcomers! Voat has seen a massive increase in traffic over the past week, so I hope that you find our little subverse to your liking. : )

So here's a rundown on some recent meta-/v/conspiracy stuff

Mentioned in the previous mod-post:

Near future

This is my current informal near-future to-do list, sorted in no particular order:

  • Get the moderation policy approved by the mods, confirmed by the community, and adopted officially.
  • Get rules and sidebar updates approved by the mods, confirmed by community, and adopted officially.
  • Have a community discussion about how mods should be selected, and formalize policy on this.
  • Have a community discussion about bigotry/racism and conspiracy theories to figure out where we all stand.
  • Solicit ideas for topics to discuss on weekly sticky'd discussion posts.
  • Begin having weekly sticky'd discussions about topics the community chooses.
  • Establish a good method for mod-team communication - maybe /v/conspiracymeta, IRC, Slack.com, etc.
  • Continue exploring ideas and suggestions from the brainstorming posts and other community discussions and prioritize them.
  • Round up recent meta-posts on /v/conspiracy and cross-post links on /v/conspiracymeta for historical purposes.

Oh is that all?

Whew. That's it for now! Thanks again for hanging around, you crazy kooky conspiracy kids! And as always, if you have any suggestions or complaints, let us know! Or compliments, those are nice too. :3

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joseph177 ago

So rule 2 effectively neuters the sub from discussion religion, zionism or any type of historical revisionism.

At least on reddit/r/conspiracy, we are free to discuss this.

Mumberthrax ago

Would you be willing to elaborate on that? That hasn't ever happened with the current rule so far as I'm aware, and it certainly wasn't something that seemed liable to happen to me when I put together the proposed update.

For reference, the current rule is:

No overt attacks on people's race, religion, ethnicity, nationality, or creed

and the proposed updated version is:

No bigotry or hate speech

  • This includes, but is not limited to, bigotry based upon ethnicity, age, gender, sexual orientation, nationality, and religion.

For additional reference, the definition of bigotry I find most useful is:

  1. extreme intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
  2. the actions, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

Bigot being defined as:

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

Similarly hate speech is:

Bigoted speech attacking or disparaging a social group or a member of such a group.

Based on this, I think it would be well within the realm of decency and within the bounds of the rule to discuss religion, Zionism, historical revisionism, etc. Discussion on these topics themselves is not forbidden by an anti-bigotry rule.

nokilli ago

We can point to how jew lies, cheats and steals to achieve power which is then used to commit us into war after war?

Mumberthrax ago

No. You can point to how a group of people do those things, but those people are not every member of a particular race or ethnicity.

nokilli ago

Which is what I mean when I say jew, I'm pointing to a group of people who do these things, and while fully acknowledging that it is not "the Jews", it is nevertheless a group that most if not all Jews are loathe to sanction on their own.

Been through the iterative process of finding the right appellation for this group; spent four or five years on reddit using "racist Jews"... well that was anti-Semitic I'm told. So went with "Jewish supremacists", no, that's anti-Semitic too.

Why isn't it racist to refer to "racist whites" or "white supremacists" then?

"Organized Jewry!" No, anti-Semitic.

Meanwhile, jew can engage in the full range of atrocities against people who actually are Semitic, like the Palestinians or the Iraqis or the Syrians.

Can't say "zionist", although it does sometimes apply, it doesn't always apply because it isn't always about Israel, esp. now with banks joining in the big push for war with Russia.

Part of the conspiracy is the game being played with the language. And it's a conspiracy that you as a moderator participate in when you work as you do to censor this conversation through prior restraint, and you're going to be called on that time and time again because it is THE conspiracy and not only is it not going away but its ruinous consequences grow more pronounced with the passing of time.

Rule #2 doesn't belong here. And if language that is potentially viewed as intolerant upsets you, then neither do you.

edit: the spells