BlockMe ago

You should cross post this in /v/science

I think @thebuddha would enjoy this paper.

TheBuddha ago

I'm reading through the paper and it's stuff I've read about before, but not at this level.

I'm not a biochemist. So, I did some searching to see if I could first decide if it was worth reading. It appears positively cited in 11 other papers, all in high impact journals. The lead author has a Wikipedia page. The authors both attended reputable academic institutions and have other notable achievements.

Which is to say, I'm inclined to have a good degree of confidence in the paper. More than that, I shan't speculate.

From what little I know already, adrenocrome is pretty potent stuff and has very little study devoted to it. I am not qualified to opine on the reasonings for this.

So, as I go through the paper, it's interesting but I'm not seeing anything ground shaking. I may very well be missing something, as this is not my domain. Both authors are medical doctors and one has a Ph.D. in biochemistry.

Given the nature of this sub, I've chosen my verbiage with care. If there's something specific, I do have a medical doctor whom I can email to see if they have any insight.

Enigmatic_Continuum ago

First, thank you for verifying that this paper is legit, and second, I value your input. I believe this research is instrumental in understanding much of what we're witnessing today, especially since this research was first conducted in the 50s. How far along is this research today if it's being conducted underground because it has been stymied in an open environment. Which leads me to wonder if Darpa or other military divisions are continuing this research in private laboratories with willing subjects? MK Ultra comes to mind, and instances where people reported hearing voices. So, are they focused on experimenting on schizophrenics and/or using biotech to induce schizophrenia? I believe this is just the tip of the iceberg and can lead to many answers if we dig with brains and not brawn.

TheBuddha ago

I refer you to my earlier statement. I'm not really qualified to opine. I also primarily limit myself to discussions for things for which there's clear evidence and things which are falsifiable. So, I'm afraid that I'm unable to engage with the other points you're making.

Don't let me stop you from having fun, however. I'm just going to politely bow out with any statements already made as being the totality of things I feel like commenting on. Enjoy your evening.

Enigmatic_Continuum ago

Thanks all the same.

Enigmatic_Continuum ago

Excellent suggestion. Will do!

BlockMe ago

Wow. Just wow:

Major support was provided by the finding that tranquilizers block dopamine receptors. Ascorbic acid also blocks dopamine receptors but so far this finding has been ignored–it is embarrassing to have a vita-min have the same effect as a tranquilizer.

Enigmatic_Continuum ago

I know. Fascinating, right?

How about this part?

We find this hypothesis very interest-ing for it is exactly what we have been pro-posing since we first publicly discussed our adrenochrome hypothesis in 1952 before the Dementia Praecox Committee of the Scot-tish Rites Masons in New York.

BlockMe ago

Just skimmed through it. Gonna print it out and read it thoroughly. And check the references.

Enigmatic_Continuum ago

That's great, thanks. It's a lot to absorb and cross reference, and your efforts are appreciated.

BlockMe ago

Check out this paper I found re: ascorbic acid (vitamin c):

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2649700/

Enigmatic_Continuum ago

While I'm not done reading it yet, this stuck out to me: Notwithstanding the negative results, it seems possible that ascorbate could be a mediator of learning and memory, especially stress-related learning,

Stress-related learning is certainly something that handlers would be interested in and use to their advantage, and a victim's disadvantage.