Besides any "I know someone who had a friend die there" comments which mean nothing in these conversations, I will point out that there are video and photos of gunshot victims. You can claim to not trust them but it's false to say none were produced. I saw a synced cell phone footage compilation that has a guy leaving who took a bullet in the arm, wound on camera and everything. There are graphic pictures of a blood smeared ground with a lot of bodies left after most people had left. Another claim from me that won't amount to much: I drove past the Mandalay Bay the following week, stuck in single lane traffic, driving past the event still setup as a crime scene with the stage and cloth along the sides shredded by something. My only point in posting this is so that we can focus on the actual details of what went down that night, not if it's another Sandy Hook or not. (((They))) were not prepared for this to take place which is why it's the first time we had a ton of footage right away and a shut down of information instead of a false narrative being pushed. Vegas is what it looks like when a shooting really happens. But it's not an example of someone going over the edge and choosing to end it all with a massacre/suicide.
Uh, no. You didn't show any evidence at all.... none. I've seen the stupid video of the guy with the "bloody arm," I've even screen-shotted it to show how unclear it is.
Seriously if you are trying to tell me that this image is the "smoking gun" that there was an actual shooting, you might as well believe Sandy Hook was a real deal as well but as far as I'm concerned that alone demonstrates that this was a staged event. I've actually made about 5 posts in the last two days here, all with evidence that this was a hoax, and yet no one can really point to any good reason to think a shot was fired.
so we can agree that you are wrong when you say there is no video/photos taken showing a bullet wound. Just because you don't believe them doesn't mean they are not out there.
You want so badly for this to be an event that didn't happen that you are automatically ruling out any evidence until that evidence is proven beyond a doubt to be 100% legit. If the guy in that screenshot came to your house to tell you his story with a polygraph machine attached, you would not believe him.
My only point to you is to stop saying that there isn't any video or photographs showing gun shot wounds because you just proved there is. The guy in the video has blood running down his arm with a wound and says that he was shot. From there, you are free to question if he's an actor with makeup on, or fell on broken glass in the panic and thought that he was shot. But that's difference than not having anything released to scrutinize.
Anyway, getting off track. I'm not going to argue the facts because I'm still trying to figure out this event myself. You are way too defensive against someone just trying to help you catch up a bit on the details of this event. Just like the podesta email leaks, there was a major effort to flood the internet with misinformation to try and make everything seem over the top rediculous and any theory unbelievable which is their tactic now; we need to be more cautious in our research.
I have spent the past 3 months since the event on r/conspiracy where there is a clear effort to obfuscate the event by spreading all sorts of elaborate theories, going to any lengths to avoid scrutiny of the basic claims of the event -- namely that people were actually shot. I had over 40 people tell me they had a connection to a Vegas victim, many of which were compiled into an article on newnationalist.net. Here it is:
You can see for yourself if those people seem trustworthy at all, keeping in mind this all took place on a conspiracy subreddit.
Even if we both concede that that photo does show a bullet wound, which it by no means does, the fact that that dimly lit indiscernible image, which was taken from a clearly staged video, is the only picture of a gunshot wound would be proof enough that the event was staged.
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blackguard19 ago
Biggest massacre in US history.
Thousands of witnesses with thousands of active recording devices.
One of the most video-surveilled cities in the entire world.
No video of anything or anyone being shot, no bullet damage, no gunshot wounds.
2 + 2 = hoax
ReadPastHeadlines ago
Besides any "I know someone who had a friend die there" comments which mean nothing in these conversations, I will point out that there are video and photos of gunshot victims. You can claim to not trust them but it's false to say none were produced. I saw a synced cell phone footage compilation that has a guy leaving who took a bullet in the arm, wound on camera and everything. There are graphic pictures of a blood smeared ground with a lot of bodies left after most people had left. Another claim from me that won't amount to much: I drove past the Mandalay Bay the following week, stuck in single lane traffic, driving past the event still setup as a crime scene with the stage and cloth along the sides shredded by something. My only point in posting this is so that we can focus on the actual details of what went down that night, not if it's another Sandy Hook or not. (((They))) were not prepared for this to take place which is why it's the first time we had a ton of footage right away and a shut down of information instead of a false narrative being pushed. Vegas is what it looks like when a shooting really happens. But it's not an example of someone going over the edge and choosing to end it all with a massacre/suicide.
blackguard19 ago
Uh, no. You didn't show any evidence at all.... none. I've seen the stupid video of the guy with the "bloody arm," I've even screen-shotted it to show how unclear it is.
Seriously if you are trying to tell me that this image is the "smoking gun" that there was an actual shooting, you might as well believe Sandy Hook was a real deal as well but as far as I'm concerned that alone demonstrates that this was a staged event. I've actually made about 5 posts in the last two days here, all with evidence that this was a hoax, and yet no one can really point to any good reason to think a shot was fired.
ReadPastHeadlines ago
so we can agree that you are wrong when you say there is no video/photos taken showing a bullet wound. Just because you don't believe them doesn't mean they are not out there.
You want so badly for this to be an event that didn't happen that you are automatically ruling out any evidence until that evidence is proven beyond a doubt to be 100% legit. If the guy in that screenshot came to your house to tell you his story with a polygraph machine attached, you would not believe him.
My only point to you is to stop saying that there isn't any video or photographs showing gun shot wounds because you just proved there is. The guy in the video has blood running down his arm with a wound and says that he was shot. From there, you are free to question if he's an actor with makeup on, or fell on broken glass in the panic and thought that he was shot. But that's difference than not having anything released to scrutinize.
Anyway, getting off track. I'm not going to argue the facts because I'm still trying to figure out this event myself. You are way too defensive against someone just trying to help you catch up a bit on the details of this event. Just like the podesta email leaks, there was a major effort to flood the internet with misinformation to try and make everything seem over the top rediculous and any theory unbelievable which is their tactic now; we need to be more cautious in our research.
blackguard19 ago
I have spent the past 3 months since the event on r/conspiracy where there is a clear effort to obfuscate the event by spreading all sorts of elaborate theories, going to any lengths to avoid scrutiny of the basic claims of the event -- namely that people were actually shot. I had over 40 people tell me they had a connection to a Vegas victim, many of which were compiled into an article on newnationalist.net. Here it is:
http://www.newnationalist.net/2017/12/24/the-i-knew-a-guy-who-knew-a-cousins-friend-who-died-at-vegas-shills/
You can see for yourself if those people seem trustworthy at all, keeping in mind this all took place on a conspiracy subreddit.
Even if we both concede that that photo does show a bullet wound, which it by no means does, the fact that that dimly lit indiscernible image, which was taken from a clearly staged video, is the only picture of a gunshot wound would be proof enough that the event was staged.