ex mason here. member for a few years. they dont bother you at all. you need to give them a hand written letter explaining why you are leaving and really thats about it.
and what if you didnt have nice things to say about them and you said those things to their faces before leaving possibly after some (((true nature))) ritual
only if they decide to go after you individually. its not like they have some hired goons waiting in the banks just for this purpose. realize though that doing what you did might have felt good at the time but almost certainly did nothing to change the minds of those you said it to.
i didnt do it. and im not sure if relations are soured. knowing the persons i would say no but given the circumstance? maybe they knew something. just trying to suss out the potential scenarios.
think about the masons as a business networking group. thats the simplest way to look at it. they will support their own.
in reality, the masons is Judaism for non-jews. They teach you to keep to your own, to learn from each other, to support each other above all others, and that you are better than anyone who isnt part of your group.
in short, tribalism. but if you want to leave? provided you dont do any real damage you are fine. even insults isnt a big deal - you just arent worth the hassle.
it doesnt work like that at all and if it did they would be shutdown. the only really wierd part of the whole ordeal is the initiation, wherein you are instructed to change your clothes to wear a suit provided by them, which will be designed to expose one nipple (to prove you are a man and not a woman) and one leg (to show you are not in shackles). your hand will be extended to show your fingers (unamputated fingers show that you are a free man, ie not a slave or property of someone else).
then its just a bunch of memorizing stuff and going through a semi complex series of rituals.
for what its worth its rather rare to see a jewish freemason - it isnt meant for them. masonry is their tool, not their structure.
Discussions about politics, religion and business are forbidden during the meetings, and discouraged heavily outside of them because even casual political differences creates discord which is the exact opposite of what they are trying to accomplish.
you must not be atheist either. Zero tolerance on this point. they dont care what religion you are, so long as you have one. if they find out you are atheist you are immediately kicked from the club.
Do I need a god or can I recognize the morality a god can give to it's people? Do I think there could be a higher power? sure. Could it all be rooted in incomprehensible natural science? Can I tell them Odin is my god?
You have to be an open member of an official religion. agnostics of all flavours need not apply since to them its basicallty the same thing as atheism. part of the reason is that religion is a culture of its own, and adhering to one demonstrates you can adhere to freemasonry as well.
well, I don't know what to tell them or what religion to join? I was raised Christian and good hearted christians do seem to gather with me and assume my faith until I tell them I don't believe in their god and that God's children are Lucifer's children.
In freemasony God is designed to be a generic representation that has little detail to it so that it doesn't offend anyone. They focus more on god being a mathematician than him doing miracles
I've heard the "architect" reference before. now I have also heard that Lucifer is the Social architect, the party coordinator, the bad shepherd, the person who makes those molded in the image of the creator dance on strings, toil most of life to pay for said leadership and to kill each other for his enjoyment and spite for being forced to serve who he considers a lesser creature in the hierarchy of beings.
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englishwebster ago
ex mason here. member for a few years. they dont bother you at all. you need to give them a hand written letter explaining why you are leaving and really thats about it.
whatisbestinlife ago
and what if you didnt have nice things to say about them and you said those things to their faces before leaving possibly after some (((true nature))) ritual
englishwebster ago
only if they decide to go after you individually. its not like they have some hired goons waiting in the banks just for this purpose. realize though that doing what you did might have felt good at the time but almost certainly did nothing to change the minds of those you said it to.
whatisbestinlife ago
i didnt do it. and im not sure if relations are soured. knowing the persons i would say no but given the circumstance? maybe they knew something. just trying to suss out the potential scenarios.
englishwebster ago
think about the masons as a business networking group. thats the simplest way to look at it. they will support their own.
in reality, the masons is Judaism for non-jews. They teach you to keep to your own, to learn from each other, to support each other above all others, and that you are better than anyone who isnt part of your group.
in short, tribalism. but if you want to leave? provided you dont do any real damage you are fine. even insults isnt a big deal - you just arent worth the hassle.
as an side, how far did you get, former bother?
whatisbestinlife ago
not a member. i didnt say anything to anyone. I can join but I'm concerned about being raped or sacrificed.
englishwebster ago
it doesnt work like that at all and if it did they would be shutdown. the only really wierd part of the whole ordeal is the initiation, wherein you are instructed to change your clothes to wear a suit provided by them, which will be designed to expose one nipple (to prove you are a man and not a woman) and one leg (to show you are not in shackles). your hand will be extended to show your fingers (unamputated fingers show that you are a free man, ie not a slave or property of someone else).
then its just a bunch of memorizing stuff and going through a semi complex series of rituals.
for what its worth its rather rare to see a jewish freemason - it isnt meant for them. masonry is their tool, not their structure.
whatisbestinlife ago
But I have to stick to blue pill thought and conversation, right? There is no talking about the JQ or political conversations allowed, correct?
englishwebster ago
Discussions about politics, religion and business are forbidden during the meetings, and discouraged heavily outside of them because even casual political differences creates discord which is the exact opposite of what they are trying to accomplish.
you must not be atheist either. Zero tolerance on this point. they dont care what religion you are, so long as you have one. if they find out you are atheist you are immediately kicked from the club.
whatisbestinlife ago
Do I need a god or can I recognize the morality a god can give to it's people? Do I think there could be a higher power? sure. Could it all be rooted in incomprehensible natural science? Can I tell them Odin is my god?
englishwebster ago
You have to be an open member of an official religion. agnostics of all flavours need not apply since to them its basicallty the same thing as atheism. part of the reason is that religion is a culture of its own, and adhering to one demonstrates you can adhere to freemasonry as well.
whatisbestinlife ago
well, I don't know what to tell them or what religion to join? I was raised Christian and good hearted christians do seem to gather with me and assume my faith until I tell them I don't believe in their god and that God's children are Lucifer's children.
englishwebster ago
In freemasony God is designed to be a generic representation that has little detail to it so that it doesn't offend anyone. They focus more on god being a mathematician than him doing miracles
whatisbestinlife ago
I've heard the "architect" reference before. now I have also heard that Lucifer is the Social architect, the party coordinator, the bad shepherd, the person who makes those molded in the image of the creator dance on strings, toil most of life to pay for said leadership and to kill each other for his enjoyment and spite for being forced to serve who he considers a lesser creature in the hierarchy of beings.