Had a reddit account for over 8 years, not one comment deleted ever. Came to voat about 4 months ago after reading the How Reddit Was Destroyed (ver3.0) thread And this weekend I got my first ever notice of a comment deleted!
Much to my dismay I was curious, did I accidentally violate Swiss laws? Did I mistakenly dox someone? what little comment of mine could warrant such derision? Well low and behold my comment from this thread in fat people hate, where I point out the futility of shaming people in a forum they'll never see it, in the hopes of helping them loose weight.
Some FPH mods actually believe they are helping people
I've been in the FPH community for about 6 months, and considered it my reddit home. Anti-obesity it's something I feel very strongly about, not just from a FPH fat-shaming standpoint, but also from a "how do we solve the obesity problem" active standpoint.
and all I did was point out that logic is futile if they never see the content directed towards them.
Low and behold I make a thread on v/voat discussing my comment deletion
and who turns up?
FPH mod: @12_Years_A_Toucan openly states:
We don't allow people who are there to fight, argue, and comment dissenting opinions to the community and our community likes it that way
AAAAAAND another FPH MOD confirming censorship:
user @ https://voat.co/user/SportyStrawberry:
posted
DING DING DING!
YES we censor dissenting opinions from our subverse, as is our right. We have never claimed otherwise. Are you daft?
So there you have it folks see for yourself how this community thinks it's better than the down voat button. Think it can decide what you can and can't read. Feast your eyes on CENSORSHIP.
MUAHAHAHA
i had fun writing this time to play tf2 a bit and let some comments roll in. :)
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wmq ago
You must differentiate between subverse mod censorship and site admin censorship. If someone created subverse I think it's ok for him to set up some internal rules and enforce them. It's different from Reddit-style removal of something because it doesn't please site owners/CEO.
mHtt ago
then what's the point of the downvoat/upvoat mechanism if you just delete content based on a single users (mods) opinion?
if you disregard the voat mechanism: voat no longer functions as a social media news aggregate and free speech platform, but more of a censored-hate-infested-circlejerk webforum.
This is exactly why voat has mod logs so this bull shit doesn't happen. use the upvoat/ downvoat button likes its supposed to be used.
Read this:
and
here
If you don't like content you downvoat it you don't remove it. That's censorship, or make your subverse private.
tothetop ago
Fatpeoplehate is a hate-infested-circlejerk webforum. That is the point of it. That is why the community was created both on reddit and on here.
"Our aim is to build a site that serves the needs and wants of our users."
The need and want of the user that created fatpeoplehate is to shit on fat people. If you want to start a sub for open discussion on fat people, go right ahead.
"While we don't necessarily approve or agree with all content that users submit to Voat, our policy is to not meddle and not censor content unless said content is illegal in Switzerland."
Again, Voat's policy is to not censor. Not the mods of a sub. A sub can be set up however the creator wants it.
I'm going to assume you are some idiot from SRS or SRD trying to start shit to "enjoy some popcorn." You just come off as an idiot who can't tell the difference between the website itself censoring things and a subverse creating it's own set of rules that don't allow certain things.
mHtt ago
I don't. I just like to point out when people are hypocrites. Which they clearly all are. the rest is all entertaining to me...
nah, deleting legal content is bullshit censorship, if you don't like something use the voat button THATS WHAT THERE FUCKING FOR.
Read what you wrote fool.
deletion of legal content is censorship and thats why we left reddit. Now kindly fuck off.
tothetop ago
It isn't hypocritical.
Voat says the company itself is anti-censorship and therefore it does not censor anything legal and allows users to do what they want.
The subverse does what it wants and creates it's own rules about what is considered on-topic. This subverse has a rule that only fat hate is on topic. So if you violate that, the sub can treat it how it wants.
Try thinking of it like the government and a private company. That's something you idiots love to preach about. It is the same thing.
Please fuck off back to SRS and SRD.
Canaduck ago
Your analogy is broken. You can't think of subverse as a private company, because Voat.co is still liable for anything that happens in a subverse.
Think of it more like the government and a branch of the government (Postal Service, etc). If a subverse is being shitty, then Voat.co gave them the tools to be shitty.
tothetop ago
What does the liability of Voat have to do with it? I am saying that just like the government cannot dictate what rules a private organization makes (as long as they are legal) neither can voat dictate (based on their own free speech stance) what rules a subverse makes as long as they are legal.
Canaduck ago
Define censorship:
By this definition, moderators aren't even censoring - they are directly dictating discourse by disallowing individuals to present their own points.
Take the US for example
If when I post I get silenced, my rights are being violated - by extension if I can't even post at all then I have no Freedom of Speech. A corporation would be shut down and disbanded in America for pulling analogous shenanigans to FPH in the real world - why tolerate it here? I'm not asking for them to be removed, just give moderators more adept tools to actually moderate a topic or subverse, rather than dictating the entire outcome from the get go. (The way FPH runs thing is comparable to fundamentalist theocratic zealots).
Maybe rights don't apply the same way on the internet, and if that is the case then there should be a global internet charter of rights to uncensored, unabridged, unadulterated, legal content (oh wait thats the goal of Voat).
tothetop ago
You are equating the government protections with the subverse instead of voat.
For what? And it doesn't only apply to corporations. It applies to any private space that someone owns. Either way, what could the corporation hypothetically be shut down for?
The point of Voat being free speech is that the users can create spaces however they want within the law. How is that so hard to understand?
Exactly. Voat's goal. Not any specific subverse.
Canaduck ago
What you don't seem to understand, that although subverses are not managed by Voat, they are a part of voat. Get that through your thick skull.
By your logic, Voat could have all the promises to be free speech in the world, yet every subverse could be an echo chamber with no real discussion. What the hell is the point of a forum layout if you can't even put in two cents. Subverses like FPH that broadcast themselves as such should have a very different forum layout, more conducive to jerking each other off, and dissuading innocent people from trying to start a real discussion.
tothetop ago
You still don't get the distinction and clearly can't comprehend how something has different levels.
You are absolutely right, every subverse could be like that. But the whole point of Voat is that if you want a subreddit with certain rules, you can fucking make it. So if every subverse is like that, create your own fucking version of it that has the rules you want in it. That is the fucking point. FPH does have a different forum layout which is outlined in their rules that is conducive to exactly what you said. So if you don't like the rules in that subverse, quit bitching and make your own. They have the right to run their small portion of Voat how they want, just like you have the right to run any subverse you create how you want. You dense fucking piece of shit.
Canaduck ago
Why all the derision? You can't seem to hold a cohesive idea in your head about where you stand on the position. Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I'm a dense fucking piece of shit, it means I actually have a spine and you find that threatening - resorting to name calling because your infantile brain can't actually believe someone doesn't hold the same viewpoint as you. Gosh! Maybe give me a downvoat? What's the point of existing on a free speech platform if aren't willing to support free speech?
tothetop ago
The derision was in response to yours. I have a cohesive idea in my head of where I stand on the position, and it makes sense actually. You are being willfully ignorant by refusing to acknowledge the differences between two distinct entities and the rules that govern them. Voat is a free speech platform that allows users to create subverses that cater to their needs and desires. That is free speech. The subverses do not have to adhere to that individually since anyone that doesn't like the rules of a sub has the freedom to create their own in any way that they like. I fully understand that a subverse is a part of voat, but each one has its own rules. Voat's own FAQ: "Each subverse has its own rules which are stated in respective subverse sidebars. If you ignore said rules, your account may be banned from submitting further content to the subverse or in some cases, globally." If you honestly can't see the difference between Voat as a platform and a subverse as an individually created community, there is no point in even talking to you anymore.
I don't find you threatening, and arguing with someone online doesn't mean you have a spine. Hope you enjoy the feeling of your own hand on your back.
Canaduck ago
I don't have hands, asshole.