I think vaccines (ones that have been tested and approved) are great. They're literally no different than the medicines that we happily buy from the pharmacy or get prescribed by our doctors, except they're injected into our bloodstream intravenously. Like all medicines, some people will have reactions, some worse than others due to getting a vaccine, but history doesn't lie.
Look at all of the viruses and illnesses that have been eradicated and prevented thanks to vaccines and modern medicine? Without vaccines, we would still be losing people to polio and smallpox.
We can get specific about it all you like and while you are correct that it was broken into three different diseases, it doesn't invalidate the claim that without vaccines the death toll from said diseases would have been much higher. All of those diseases were basically eradicated thanks to vaccines, but now because of this anti-vaxxer movement researchers are seeing diseases basically in the single digits of spread and infection rate climbing at an alarming pace.
All of those diseases were basically eradicated thanks to vaccines
Go look at the actual rates. We're "back down" to where we were about 1995. That's not even statistically significant.
And we can't determine the cause as yet. The cause could be anti-vaxxers, the cause could be massive immigration, the cause could be the huge increase in global travel. Nobody could say at this point what is the factor-- the factor might even just be a random blip up, or a factor of changing climate (we just had two decades of increased sun activity and now the sun's activity has decreased enormously) or economic trouble. All those things happened at the same time.
it doesn't invalidate the claim that without vaccines the death toll from said diseases would have been much higher.
It DOES invalidate it. It means nothing whatsoever without a solid metric to compare before/after.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree as we have hit a wall in our debate. It was nice briefly debating with you, but I am going to end it here just so things remain civil.
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Vheissu_ ago
I think vaccines (ones that have been tested and approved) are great. They're literally no different than the medicines that we happily buy from the pharmacy or get prescribed by our doctors, except they're injected into our bloodstream intravenously. Like all medicines, some people will have reactions, some worse than others due to getting a vaccine, but history doesn't lie.
Look at all of the viruses and illnesses that have been eradicated and prevented thanks to vaccines and modern medicine? Without vaccines, we would still be losing people to polio and smallpox.
FisherOfMen ago
Check your givens. Polio diagnostic criteria was adjusted at the same time they started giving out the vaccines.
The stopped calling it 'polio' and broke it into three different diseases: polio, meningitis, and flaccid paralysis.
Research it a bit. If the diagnostic criteria hadn't changed, the rate would have gone up.
Vheissu_ ago
We can get specific about it all you like and while you are correct that it was broken into three different diseases, it doesn't invalidate the claim that without vaccines the death toll from said diseases would have been much higher. All of those diseases were basically eradicated thanks to vaccines, but now because of this anti-vaxxer movement researchers are seeing diseases basically in the single digits of spread and infection rate climbing at an alarming pace.
FisherOfMen ago
Go look at the actual rates. We're "back down" to where we were about 1995. That's not even statistically significant.
And we can't determine the cause as yet. The cause could be anti-vaxxers, the cause could be massive immigration, the cause could be the huge increase in global travel. Nobody could say at this point what is the factor-- the factor might even just be a random blip up, or a factor of changing climate (we just had two decades of increased sun activity and now the sun's activity has decreased enormously) or economic trouble. All those things happened at the same time.
It DOES invalidate it. It means nothing whatsoever without a solid metric to compare before/after.
Vheissu_ ago
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree as we have hit a wall in our debate. It was nice briefly debating with you, but I am going to end it here just so things remain civil.