You can talk about pretty much what you want here, but if you are expecting a safe space where your fee-fees won't be trampled because your opinion wasn't protected from criticism, then I feel that Voat is not going to work out for you.
Not saying that you are one of the above, just putting that out there.
As for my opinion:
Anti-Vaccination is a viewpoint that I feel is both stupid, dangerous and lethal, and not in anyway supported by solid science.
I see you aren't very well informed about vaccines.
Are you aware of these facts:
1) Vaccine manufactures are IMMUNE from criminal liability for death or injury caused by their products.
2) The vaccine injury court created to pay victims of vaccine injuries has awarded over $3 BILLION dollars since it was created.
3) Merck, the maker of the popular MMR vaccine everyone loves to claim is super safe and effective, is in the middle of a lawsuit by the federal government for defrauding their vaccine application, including adulteration with non-human antibodies (which can cause massive health problems, even death), high levels of aluminum, and critically low effectiveness (50% instead of 98% they are mandated to produce).
4) Thimerosol, when combined with aluminum, has a synergistic toxicity over 100x more toxic than either alone.
5) Both of the above chemicals are still in use, because most vaccines given out are old, before those (cheap preservatives, i.e. unnecessary) were removed.
6) Anyone who says that the above doses of aluminum and thimerosol are "safe" is lying, because the CDC does not have a guideline for safe daily INJECTED doses. Pharma shills like to quote the numbers for INGESTED aluminum, which is moronic, since injection bypasses both the gut and the blood-brain barrier.
In sum, the only retards are those that blindly accept pharma corporations word for safety, when they are known liars.
That's clearly it. Somehow you've managed to figure me out through all of one post. Just as the person I replied to has already said "I forgot that it is my responsibility to provide citations for the claims others make."
I'm more than happy to read what's convinced you- I'm always open to see evidence to change my mind, but I'm not going to actively seek out information to counter it when there are far so many other things I can allow my mind to entertain that it hasn't already. I only hold one truth "The universe is always changing", anything and everything I think and feel outside that is open to evolve as evidence presents itself.
You're not here to have your mind changed. If you've lived this long without even raising concerns then you are beyond lost in this debate and I have no reason to take you seriously.
I'm beginning to wonder if you even read what I wrote or just have poor reading comprehension. Either way I agree, one of is beyond lost in this 'debate'.
Up to this point it was:
A Guy: "Here's what I believe"
Other guy: "Ok cool, what articles and things brought you to this conclusion?"
You: "Fuck you, google it"
Me: "Hey other guy, I feel your pain, I'd like to see this stuff too but no one ever seems to want to share it"
You: "Fuck you, you're lost and beneath me to deal with"
Personally I'd prefer to hear from the first guy with his supporting evidence, rather than you just chiming in with a "google it", because that certainly doesn't help to further the discussion, no does your piss poor condescending attitude.
It's interesting that the individuals in the skeptic community will cry foul that no one even wants to bother to entertain whatever point they're trying to get across and then convince themselves everyone is just a sheep because they don't want to listen. We do, at least I do. It always boils down to 2 things: either you just don't have anything to support what you're saying or you don't want to get into the the further debate of what qualifies as evidence.
I would LOVE for you to shut me down with link after link to account for everything in this post. PLEASE DO! Until then, try being more of a dick to people because that will totally convince them that anything you have to say is valid.
Sounds like you are not one to let your intellectual curiosity get the better of you. I would not be able to resist Googling it up myself to make sure someone wasn't bullshitting me.
No one is so alianated to the point where he has never seen an argument against vaccination. Or are you new to the whole 'conspiracy' line of thought? Try harder.
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Kleyno ago
You can talk about pretty much what you want here, but if you are expecting a safe space where your fee-fees won't be trampled because your opinion wasn't protected from criticism, then I feel that Voat is not going to work out for you.
Not saying that you are one of the above, just putting that out there.
As for my opinion:
Anti-Vaccination is a viewpoint that I feel is both stupid, dangerous and lethal, and not in anyway supported by solid science.
Sorahzahd ago
I see you aren't very well informed about vaccines.
Are you aware of these facts:
1) Vaccine manufactures are IMMUNE from criminal liability for death or injury caused by their products.
2) The vaccine injury court created to pay victims of vaccine injuries has awarded over $3 BILLION dollars since it was created.
3) Merck, the maker of the popular MMR vaccine everyone loves to claim is super safe and effective, is in the middle of a lawsuit by the federal government for defrauding their vaccine application, including adulteration with non-human antibodies (which can cause massive health problems, even death), high levels of aluminum, and critically low effectiveness (50% instead of 98% they are mandated to produce).
4) Thimerosol, when combined with aluminum, has a synergistic toxicity over 100x more toxic than either alone.
5) Both of the above chemicals are still in use, because most vaccines given out are old, before those (cheap preservatives, i.e. unnecessary) were removed.
6) Anyone who says that the above doses of aluminum and thimerosol are "safe" is lying, because the CDC does not have a guideline for safe daily INJECTED doses. Pharma shills like to quote the numbers for INGESTED aluminum, which is moronic, since injection bypasses both the gut and the blood-brain barrier.
In sum, the only retards are those that blindly accept pharma corporations word for safety, when they are known liars.
Kleyno ago
I'm always open to reading points from the other side.
If you'll be kind enough to provide sources on some of the points you mentioned, I'll happily take a look.
BeerBaron ago
This is usually how far I get in this debate as well. I'll be able sure to check it out if anyone actually does.
samtrovaum ago
Maybe because you don't care for the truth, but the CDC and gubmint sources are always right on the money! They don't lie....ever.
BeerBaron ago
That's clearly it. Somehow you've managed to figure me out through all of one post. Just as the person I replied to has already said "I forgot that it is my responsibility to provide citations for the claims others make."
I'm more than happy to read what's convinced you- I'm always open to see evidence to change my mind, but I'm not going to actively seek out information to counter it when there are far so many other things I can allow my mind to entertain that it hasn't already. I only hold one truth "The universe is always changing", anything and everything I think and feel outside that is open to evolve as evidence presents itself.
samtrovaum ago
You're not here to have your mind changed. If you've lived this long without even raising concerns then you are beyond lost in this debate and I have no reason to take you seriously.
BeerBaron ago
I'm beginning to wonder if you even read what I wrote or just have poor reading comprehension. Either way I agree, one of is beyond lost in this 'debate'.
Up to this point it was: A Guy: "Here's what I believe" Other guy: "Ok cool, what articles and things brought you to this conclusion?" You: "Fuck you, google it" Me: "Hey other guy, I feel your pain, I'd like to see this stuff too but no one ever seems to want to share it" You: "Fuck you, you're lost and beneath me to deal with"
Personally I'd prefer to hear from the first guy with his supporting evidence, rather than you just chiming in with a "google it", because that certainly doesn't help to further the discussion, no does your piss poor condescending attitude.
It's interesting that the individuals in the skeptic community will cry foul that no one even wants to bother to entertain whatever point they're trying to get across and then convince themselves everyone is just a sheep because they don't want to listen. We do, at least I do. It always boils down to 2 things: either you just don't have anything to support what you're saying or you don't want to get into the the further debate of what qualifies as evidence.
I would LOVE for you to shut me down with link after link to account for everything in this post. PLEASE DO! Until then, try being more of a dick to people because that will totally convince them that anything you have to say is valid.
samtrovaum ago
Source: Google.com
Don't be lazy.
Kleyno ago
Ah, I'm sorry. I forgot that it is my responsibility to provide citations for the claims others make. How foolish of me, I'll get right on that.
Tleilaxu_Ghola ago
Sounds like you are not one to let your intellectual curiosity get the better of you. I would not be able to resist Googling it up myself to make sure someone wasn't bullshitting me.
samtrovaum ago
No one is so alianated to the point where he has never seen an argument against vaccination. Or are you new to the whole 'conspiracy' line of thought? Try harder.